How a married gay Catholic couple live their faith

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Because their Catholic faith is against same-sex marriage, Bryan Victor and Thomas Molina-Duarte made their wedding vows this summer before a Protestant minister in a Detroit Episcopal church.

**Those in attendance included many family members, including Victor’s uncle, who is a Catholic priest **and Macomb County pastor. The Rev. Ronald Victor did not officiate but was there because, he told his nephew, the Catholic Church “needs more examples of gay holiness.”

Detroit Archbishop Allen Vigneron said through a spokesman that he couldn’t comment for this story without knowing more specifics about the men. Officially, the archdiocese offers the ministry program Courage, to urge gay Catholics to abstain from sex; and another program, EnCourage, to counsel Catholic families with gay members.

At the men’s wedding ceremony, family was in force.

“They are two very holy guys,” Catholic priest Ronald (Ron) Victor said of his nephew and nephew-in-law.** “I do see their union as being sacred and sacramental,** in the sense that it reflects God’s love.”

To officiate at their wedding could have led to discipline by his superiors. But Ron Victor, the pastor of St. Isidore Catholic parish in Macomb, said he had considered blessing their union privately, although his nephew told him the couple didn’t want anything clandestine or controversial.

The priest and his nephew became close when Ron Victor was assigned to a St. Clair Shores parish, where Bryan attended elementary school. After the school day, instead of going to latchkey to wait for his working parents to pick him up, Bryan went to the rectory.

“It’s been one of those things when somebody you know and love a lot comes out, it kind of changes your perspective,” said Ron Victor.

Ron Victor said he was moved by the wedding ceremony, and at the same time, “a little angry and a little disappointed that we couldn’t do it in a church where I could have officiated.”

He said he believes many priests would be open to blessing same-sex unions, although “they can’t be real public with that.”

Ron Victor said he’s comfortable being public with it now. Through his priesthood, he said he has tried to practice what Pope Francis so poignantly and pointedly captured with his famous observation about gay Catholics.

The priest said he doesn’t know the transgressions or every sin of all who present themselves for Communion. “As long as they’re seeking God, who am I to judge,” said the priest, citing the pope’s memorable expression.

The church calls gay sex “intrinsically disordered” because it cannot result in procreation. Yet Ron Victor said the caring, monogamous relationship between his nephew and Molina-Duarte "reflects God’s love."

“While it’s not necessarily life-giving in a biological way,” said the priest, "it’s life-giving in other ways.”

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What a scandal. The priest should be removed from his parish position immediately.
 
What a scandal. The priest should be removed from his parish position immediately.
He did nothing to contravene his vows or Church teachings. He stated his opinion and attended a ceremony of family member. I’m pretty sure it has happened before that a priest has attended the wedding of a family member who was divorced and did not have their marriage annulled.
 
What a scandal. The priest should be removed from his parish position immediately.
Yes, remove a priest who loves his family and agrees with most parish priests concerning gay individuals. The uncle did not officiate, so I don’t see where he committed an act that would require him to be fired.:confused:

PS: Where is the supposed “scandal”?
 
These comments are vulgar. What a way to spread the recent messages of Pope Francis. I see what they did wrong, but are these rude comments necessary?
 
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PZH and Koslo, if he truly loved his family as God asks us to, he would not have attended this immoral ceremony. Even if he doesn’t believe in it, by attending this ceremony he is signaling that he believes that there was some degree of validity to it, that it meant something. Make no mistake, engaging in the farce that is “gay marriage” is an irreparably immoral act, there is no set of conditions under which it can exist. If this priest truly loved his family he would have warned them against this immoral course of action and refused to attend on the grounds that they are placing themselves in a situation that is objectively mortally sinful.
 
What a scandal. The priest should be removed from his parish position immediately.
Is there anyone out there that can give a genuine and sincere answer as to why this doesn’t happen?

The Archbishop said he couldn’t comment without specifics? How about at least stating the Church’s position on the consequences for a priest who is so openly defiant of Church teaching, without commenting on a specific situation?

Does anyone else ever get the impression that despite whatever doctrines and dogmas exist on paper, the Church is just a complete free for all?
 
What happened to throwing up in your mouth? Why would you say that and then take it back?
 
The comments of the retried bishop at the end are positively horrifying.
 
Yes, remove a priest who loves his family and*** agrees with most parish priests concerning gay individuals.*** The uncle did not officiate, so I don’t see where he committed an act that would require him to be fired.:confused:

PS: Where is the supposed “scandal”?
Most parish priests support gay marriage? Care to support that statement?
 
These comments are vulgar. What a way to spread the recent messages of Pope Francis. I see what they did wrong, but are these rude comments necessary?
I don’t see any rude or vulgar comments in this thread. By the way, Pope Francis does NOT support gay “marriage”.
 
I don’t see any rude or vulgar comments in this thread. By the way, Pope Francis does NOT support gay “marriage”.
Saying things like “i almost threw up in my mouth” how does that sound? Does that sound like something Jesus would say?
 
What’s the point anymore? Why do they even go to seminary? Eight years of school? DISCERNMENT!? Pfffh!

What’s the point if they’re just going to run off, give in to their own sins and say what ever they wish against the Body of Christ?
 
Saying things like “i almost threw up in my mouth” how does that sound? Does that sound like something Jesus would say?
Quietly points to the part of the Bible where Jesus makes a flog and starts whipping people for defaming his father’s house…

If he did that because people were setting up shop where they shouldn’t, how much more anger do you think a desecration of the most amazing aspect of His father’s creation would elicit?

Sex is the single greatest aspect of God’s creation, because it is the way in which we actually participate with God in the act of creation; homosexuality in general and “gay marriage” specifically, reject the very basic reality of this gift and replace it with immoral pleasures. They remove God from the aspect of His creation which should be most intimately tied to Him.

I don’t want to be around when His judgment on this comes, because I have no doubt that it is going to be terrifying to behold. It will make being flogged by a whip look like a day in the park.
 
He did nothing to contravene his vows or Church teachings. He stated his opinion and attended a ceremony of family member. I’m pretty sure it has happened before that a priest has attended the wedding of a family member who was divorced and did not have their marriage annulled.
Yes, he is committing.scandal, going openly against the church’s position and you can add that the Church has stated that catholics cannot attend homosexuals.“weddings”. And.is saying that being.in.permanent.state of.mortal.sin is holy. He is not.contravining the church h more because you can’t.
 
Yes, remove a priest who loves his family and agrees with most parish priests concerning gay individuals. The uncle did not officiate, so I don’t see where he committed an act that would require him to be fired.:confused:

PS: Where is the supposed “scandal”?
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This certainly isn’t my experience…homosexual [not ‘gay’] ‘marriage’ is in the same category as abortion - never, under any circumstance, could it be permissible…I’ve never heard a priest say anything else, either from the pulpit or in a private ‘off the record’ conversation.
 
Saying things like “i almost threw up in my mouth” how does that sound? Does that sound like something Jesus would say?
Perhaps Jesus would say it is better that they hang a millstone around their neck and jump into the sea.
 
Most parish priests support gay marriage? Care to support that statement?
The majority of those with advanced degrees and living in the Western Industrialized countries do not look upon LGBTQ humans as disordered. Priests are generally well educated, many having post grad degrees. Have you ever witnessed a priest refuse to offer the Eucharist to a person that is gay? I was not specifically speaking of gay marriage, but of supporting loved ones who are in a loving and long term monogamous relationship and happen to be gay, not straight. What I thought when I read the OP is that this couple is lucky to have such a loving family. I would never advocate for the Church to perform marriage ceremonies for gay couples since it is still forbidden, however; I see no harm, much less scandal, in attending the civil ceremony or other religious marriage celebration for those that are in love 💘 and wish to let it be known that they are in a lifetime relationship.

Yes, I understand that my stance is not that of many traditionalists, so be it. 🤷
 
Quietly points to the part of the Bible where Jesus makes a flog and starts whipping people for defaming his father’s house…

If he did that because people were setting up shop where they shouldn’t, how much more anger do you think a desecration of the most amazing aspect of His father’s creation would elicit?

Sex is the single greatest aspect of God’s creation, because it is the way in which we actually participate with God in the act of creation; homosexuality in general and “gay marriage” specifically, reject the very basic reality of this gift and replace it with immoral pleasures. They remove God from the aspect of His creation which should be most intimately tied to Him.

I don’t want to be around when His judgment on this comes, because I have no doubt that it is going to be terrifying to behold. It will make being flogged by a whip look like a day in the park.
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