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1holycatholic
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That claim is simply not possible.
How are Mormons, Muslims and non-Catholic Protestant Christians really that different?
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wisdomseeker
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Many do not want to be in the light. They rather like to be in the dark and that is why so many hate the CC. Because she speaks the Truth and many don’t want to hear. they prefer to live in darkness. There is nothing else to say but to speak the Truth. they will be held accountable for rejecting the Truth. Just like our Lord said, whoever rejects you, rejects me and My Father in Heaven. This still valid today. Our Lord said, not everyone who says Lord, will enter the Kingdom.
The readings today on the Virgens Bride is a great example of what is going on today. Only five made it, the others begged our Lord to open the door but Our Lord said no. Once the door is closed no one will enter. The Church is here to bring as many as accept her and our Lord. Once our Lord closes the door of the Church those who are outside will remain outside.
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Defender1
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I gave that date according to ROSE publishing . IT was a laminated card with diffferent religions . Mormon , muslim , Nation of Islam. Hindu , Judaism, Baha etc . It addressed their beliefs on certain issues (Who is Jesus to them?, How does one get saved?,Foundation period? etc) and under foundation year I messed up 1830 in New York was the foundation time he was born in 1805 .
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wisdomseeker
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Originally Posted by Jimmy B
It would be like me taking a Harry Potter book, for example, copying most of it, rewriting it and making a few changes that I disagree with and then saying that, “This is the real Harry Potter book”, or “This is the real Harry Potter story”, or movie and so on. I doesn’t make any sense and these reinventions of religion and denominations which are rooted in Catholic beliefs, lack credibility especially when they espouse anti-Catholic views.
How else would they survive if not by trying to discredit the One True Church? any way, all we can do is to show mercy to the lost. It is good to hear protestants when they convert and confess to the lies from teachers and theologians protestants trying to hide the Truth. By this, we know why they lie. lies comes from the enemy of God. those who believe in the lies against the Holy Church will be accountable to God alone. they have bought into the lies of the enemy and follow the enemy.
I dont condemn them but leave to God alone to decide their fate. The Holy Church in the meanwhile, continues to seek the lost in humility and obedience to her Lord.
It would be like me taking a Harry Potter book, for example, copying most of it, rewriting it and making a few changes that I disagree with and then saying that, “This is the real Harry Potter book”, or “This is the real Harry Potter story”, or movie and so on. I doesn’t make any sense and these reinventions of religion and denominations which are rooted in Catholic beliefs, lack credibility especially when they espouse anti-Catholic views.
How else would they survive if not by trying to discredit the One True Church? any way, all we can do is to show mercy to the lost. It is good to hear protestants when they convert and confess to the lies from teachers and theologians protestants trying to hide the Truth. By this, we know why they lie. lies comes from the enemy of God. those who believe in the lies against the Holy Church will be accountable to God alone. they have bought into the lies of the enemy and follow the enemy.
I dont condemn them but leave to God alone to decide their fate. The Holy Church in the meanwhile, continues to seek the lost in humility and obedience to her Lord.
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ibneahmad
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So, you meant Jesus did not write anything himself and did not dicate anything to be written. Is Bible unauthorised, in that case?It is recorded he wrote in the sand. What we do not know.
I am not sure what the notion of giving someone to write on behalf of is all about.
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ibneahmad
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Please mention a connecte passage of say ten verses from Bible which have been copied by Quran; also provide reference from Quran where it has been inserted.
It is a wrong impression; Quran copies nothing.
It is a wrong impression; Quran copies nothing.
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1holycatholic
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The Bible is authorized because God established the authoritative Church from which it proceeds.
Christianity is not a religion of the book.
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saeedm
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hello my brother
Chapter 29: AL-ANKABOOT :
n like manner We have revealed unto thee the Scripture, and those unto whom We gave the Scripture aforetime will believe therein; and of these) also (there are some who believe therein. And none deny Our revelations save the disbelievers.) 74 (
And thou) O Muhammad (wast not a reader of any scripture before it, nor didst thou write it with thy right hand, for then might those have doubted, who follow falsehood.) 84 (
what is Quran?:
Chapter 4: AN-NISA:
Chapter 6: AL-ANAAM :
Blessed is this Book which We have sent down, confirming what was] revealed before it, so that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are watchful of their prayers.) 29 (
Chapter 21: AL-ANBIYA:
Chapter 27: AL-NAML:
ok…my brother!..
Quran and Bible , sent for common purposes from one God…so is inherent and acceptable that be som likeness…but also , is very difference between both.
our believing wich this the Bible , not is dependable totally …you are inevitablly agree cum me?
becaus:
1:wrote after years then be crucified Jesus majesty.
2:epistles were several wich then choose some those…
3: in the Bible is writings wich is inconceivable…abaut God and prophets!..
and more…
God in the Quran:
Chapter 42: ASH-SHURA:
The originator of the heavens and the earth, He made for you mates from your own selves, and mates of the cattle, by which means He multiplies you. Nothing is like Him, and He is the All-hearing, the All-seeing.) 11 (
Chapter 112: AL-IKHLAS :
Say: He is Allah, the One!) 1 (
Allah, the eternally Besought of all!) 2 (
He begets not nor was begotten.) 3 (
And there is none comparable unto Him.) 4 (
look at the what is speech and saying , nor look at to whos speaker.
—imam Ali(a.s)
(Excuse me if my sentence not has been intelligible!..becaus i recently begin drastic to learn english!!!)
God bless
Chapter 29: AL-ANKABOOT :
n like manner We have revealed unto thee the Scripture, and those unto whom We gave the Scripture aforetime will believe therein; and of these) also (there are some who believe therein. And none deny Our revelations save the disbelievers.) 74 (
And thou) O Muhammad (wast not a reader of any scripture before it, nor didst thou write it with thy right hand, for then might those have doubted, who follow falsehood.) 84 (
what is Quran?:
Chapter 4: AN-NISA:
Do they not contemplate the Qur’an? Had it been from] someone [other than Allah, they would have surely found much discrepancy in it.) 28 (
Chapter 6: AL-ANAAM :Blessed is this Book which We have sent down, confirming what was] revealed before it, so that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are watchful of their prayers.) 29 (
Chapter 21: AL-ANBIYA:
This is a blessed reminder which We have sent down. Will you then deny it?) 05 (
Chapter 27: AL-NAML:
ta sin! these are the verses of the quran and the book that makes (things) clear (1)
a guidance and good news for the believers, (2)
who keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and of the hereafter, they are sure (3)
ok…my brother!..Quran and Bible , sent for common purposes from one God…so is inherent and acceptable that be som likeness…but also , is very difference between both.
our believing wich this the Bible , not is dependable totally …you are inevitablly agree cum me?
becaus:
1:wrote after years then be crucified Jesus majesty.
2:epistles were several wich then choose some those…
3: in the Bible is writings wich is inconceivable…abaut God and prophets!..
and more…
God in the Quran:
Chapter 42: ASH-SHURA:
The originator of the heavens and the earth, He made for you mates from your own selves, and mates of the cattle, by which means He multiplies you. Nothing is like Him, and He is the All-hearing, the All-seeing.) 11 (
Chapter 112: AL-IKHLAS :
Say: He is Allah, the One!) 1 (
Allah, the eternally Besought of all!) 2 (
He begets not nor was begotten.) 3 (
And there is none comparable unto Him.) 4 (
look at the what is speech and saying , nor look at to whos speaker.
—imam Ali(a.s)
(Excuse me if my sentence not has been intelligible!..becaus i recently begin drastic to learn english!!!)
God bless
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CopticChristian
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Your questions are not directed in any particular way for me to discern what it is you want to know.
Did Jesus dictate?
Did Jesus write?
These are valid questions.
Is the bible unauthorized? I am not sure what you are asking. Be more specific as to what it is you are trying to get at concerning the bible. There are unauthorized versions of the bible in history however I do not believe that is your question.
Your question is phrased in a way as true, true and unrelated. There is no connection. Please reframe your questions.
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1holycatholic
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Sur 20:85-90 places Moses and the Samaratins together even though the Samaratins did not exist until long after Moses’ death.
Swing and a miss for the Koran. One strike and a religion of the book is out. Game over for Islam.
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Defender1
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Quran took chapter 37-50 of Genesis(story of Joseph son of Jacob(Israel )and condensed/spun the message and created Yusif from it . The sura of Yusif only exists because Gen 37-50 existed first . The sura Maryam 34-47 only exists because Of LUKE chapter 1 along with the gospel in general . The Quran mentions Moses Abraham and the other prophets because they were mentioned in the BIBLE first. In Al-Baqarah 249-252 the stories of SAUL and GIDEON (Judges 7) are mixed up . Sad 21-25 is a mutiliated account of Nathan confronting DAVID with his sins of murder and adultery (2Samuel 12) and lets not forget that not only does the Quran have stories from the bible but also apocryphal writings .Case in point ,if anyone was to read Al-Maidah 110-113 they would read of Jesus making a live bird out of clay which is a well-known story from the Christian apocryphal literature "The infancy Gospel of Thomas " . I hope you take these points in consideration .
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Defender1
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Lets not of course forget Yusif 41 . OF course as I stated before that it only exists because of GEN 37-50 (story of Joseph son of Jacob ) Yusif 41 in the translation of Abdulla Yusif ALI mentions crucifixion by Cross “Hang from the cross” One problem: Cross crucifixion was not around until 519 BC by Darius 1st of the Persians . The story of Joseph takes place not before 1200 BC (even further back)There is a Nation of Islam young man I am debating that shot back with the code of Hammurabi having it 1700 BC . One problem: there are more then one type of Crucifixion and cross crucifixion was not in the Code of H . He then came back with "very few translations mention cross crucifixion ". There is not tip toeing they are stubbed here . That is how we know for sure that The BOOK of MORMON is a fraud as well . Dates are all off . Quran = inavlid
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saeedm
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thanks my faithful brother
About moses story , i was not in that time of history!..so can not say that which one of story is true!!!..and you too.(you should do advert to modality compilation Bible again)
About likeness
and…and please read my posted again!!!..i nor refuse be some likeness…ok?..and then do express explain.
i hop we have a good discuss…without contention
God bless…
o God!
About moses story , i was not in that time of history!..so can not say that which one of story is true!!!..and you too.(you should do advert to modality compilation Bible again)
About likeness
and…and please read my posted again!!!..i nor refuse be some likeness…ok?..and then do express explain.
i hop we have a good discuss…without contention
God bless…
o God!
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telmab7
Guest
1st There is no contention with Truth
Several of the posters need to rewind a bit into ontology and find out who they are in relation to the God that was revealed first as there is lack of basic formation I see.
If we could zoom back up to the surface and back to a wider lens again to gain perspective and not get lost unproductive debates
Both Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormonism are “officially” cults that distort and deny major facets of who God is
Then create a propagate their own authored versions of both the bible and doctrine
It is a cult in the modern “negative” sense of the word that does violence to the Triune nature of the God of Truth and it should not be tolerated
In the United States – The theology of freedom is not properly taught nor understood in this country
The mantra logo “This is a free country” is a distortion Christian freedom should not be confused with civil rights True freedom is from the slavery of sin, evil and death and the ability to worship in Truth and Spirit without the fear of having your children become part of a cult that is way of eternal death
There is a way that seem right unto men but in the end the ends thereof lead to death Proverbs 14:12
Cult in Christian antiquity of course once had a positive connotation and there were many aspect of our Faith that had ‘proper cult”
Islamic Mohammadanism is a completely different other sort of problem
It is a religion of paganism as defined by the Catholic Church in a teaching that had remained intact from the 8th century until only the present time
Due to the sheer numbers of their majority in the world our own Church hierarchy is unbeknownst to many slowly trying to culturally change this perception, due to fear
and incorporate them into the way that ancient Catholicism has always viewed Judaism
This is not possible. Scripture tells us over and over that the only religion on earth other than those that worship Jesus Christ that should be respected are the Jews
They gave us the door to the adoption as sons and daughters of the God of Israel and only He will determine their fate at the end
Jesus said “Salvation comes from the Jews”
This license was given to no other peoples The Jewish people do not deny Jesus as part of their covenant or public cannon They who God is to their lives and land and hold Him in such reverence they dare not say His name without rebuke
They share much with us as we sing and pray the Psalms of many feasts together and they gave us much the traditions surrounding Sacred Liturgy
The same CANNOT be said of Islamicity
The Quran has a Sura that says God never had a Son and never will
Truth is absolute and to this monotheistic religions agree There are not multiple Truths
Their doctrine instructs them to collaborate with their enemies “until “ such time as they can overcome them by force
Their suras teach that eventually the people of the Book (Sacred Scriptures) will need to be eliminated
When they bow in masse foreheads to the ground they bow “in agreement” to this which possesses a spirituality united to this
The reason they fight for a place a NYC ground zero – while using a corrupted version of civil rights as all heretical error does – is because as part of their sacred tradition they must build a mosque where ever they have had a military victory as they have in very place in the world where their hands have been able to kill thousands of “the enemy” They will not give this up in this place even if it takes “until” the generation of your grandchildren’s adulthood The lie of the free world is that their two different version of Muslims Oh but there is not There is one that is telling the truth of who he is and what he stands for and the other who is temporarily disguised and awaiting call-up
The Catholic historian, Hilare Belloc documents – the Muslim Christian history pre- and post Crusades in excruciating detail illustrates how many millions of Catholics were slaughtered in Catholic – Muslim wars He concluded with a reiteration of a statement of one of our 9th century Holy Father’s attestation “Islamic Muhammadanism was and is an ancient Catholic Christian heresy that was not properly irradiated as were all the others due to the multi battle front that was begun in the pre-Protestant Reformation in the west and the resources they needed to command to initiate a Catholic cultural renewal
Truth has no ecumenism with Error – Nor light with darkness
When the scripture in Romans 14:11 says
One day every knee shall bow and very tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord it is either True or it is not true
And if it is God have Mercy on those that do not far this Truth
Several of the posters need to rewind a bit into ontology and find out who they are in relation to the God that was revealed first as there is lack of basic formation I see.
If we could zoom back up to the surface and back to a wider lens again to gain perspective and not get lost unproductive debates
Both Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormonism are “officially” cults that distort and deny major facets of who God is
Then create a propagate their own authored versions of both the bible and doctrine
It is a cult in the modern “negative” sense of the word that does violence to the Triune nature of the God of Truth and it should not be tolerated
In the United States – The theology of freedom is not properly taught nor understood in this country
The mantra logo “This is a free country” is a distortion Christian freedom should not be confused with civil rights True freedom is from the slavery of sin, evil and death and the ability to worship in Truth and Spirit without the fear of having your children become part of a cult that is way of eternal death
There is a way that seem right unto men but in the end the ends thereof lead to death Proverbs 14:12
Cult in Christian antiquity of course once had a positive connotation and there were many aspect of our Faith that had ‘proper cult”
Islamic Mohammadanism is a completely different other sort of problem
It is a religion of paganism as defined by the Catholic Church in a teaching that had remained intact from the 8th century until only the present time
Due to the sheer numbers of their majority in the world our own Church hierarchy is unbeknownst to many slowly trying to culturally change this perception, due to fear
and incorporate them into the way that ancient Catholicism has always viewed Judaism
This is not possible. Scripture tells us over and over that the only religion on earth other than those that worship Jesus Christ that should be respected are the Jews
They gave us the door to the adoption as sons and daughters of the God of Israel and only He will determine their fate at the end
Jesus said “Salvation comes from the Jews”
This license was given to no other peoples The Jewish people do not deny Jesus as part of their covenant or public cannon They who God is to their lives and land and hold Him in such reverence they dare not say His name without rebuke
They share much with us as we sing and pray the Psalms of many feasts together and they gave us much the traditions surrounding Sacred Liturgy
The same CANNOT be said of Islamicity
The Quran has a Sura that says God never had a Son and never will
Truth is absolute and to this monotheistic religions agree There are not multiple Truths
Their doctrine instructs them to collaborate with their enemies “until “ such time as they can overcome them by force
Their suras teach that eventually the people of the Book (Sacred Scriptures) will need to be eliminated
When they bow in masse foreheads to the ground they bow “in agreement” to this which possesses a spirituality united to this
The reason they fight for a place a NYC ground zero – while using a corrupted version of civil rights as all heretical error does – is because as part of their sacred tradition they must build a mosque where ever they have had a military victory as they have in very place in the world where their hands have been able to kill thousands of “the enemy” They will not give this up in this place even if it takes “until” the generation of your grandchildren’s adulthood The lie of the free world is that their two different version of Muslims Oh but there is not There is one that is telling the truth of who he is and what he stands for and the other who is temporarily disguised and awaiting call-up
The Catholic historian, Hilare Belloc documents – the Muslim Christian history pre- and post Crusades in excruciating detail illustrates how many millions of Catholics were slaughtered in Catholic – Muslim wars He concluded with a reiteration of a statement of one of our 9th century Holy Father’s attestation “Islamic Muhammadanism was and is an ancient Catholic Christian heresy that was not properly irradiated as were all the others due to the multi battle front that was begun in the pre-Protestant Reformation in the west and the resources they needed to command to initiate a Catholic cultural renewal
Truth has no ecumenism with Error – Nor light with darkness
When the scripture in Romans 14:11 says
One day every knee shall bow and very tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord it is either True or it is not true
And if it is God have Mercy on those that do not far this Truth
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CopticChristian
Guest
Saeedm,thanks my faithful brother
About moses story , i was not in that time of history!..so can not say that which one of story is true!!!..and you too.(you should do advert to modality compilation Bible again)
About likeness
and…and please read my posted again!!!..i nor refuse be some likeness…ok?..and then do express explain.
i hop we have a good discuss…without contention
God bless…
o God!
Do you know what a “cop out” is?
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saeedm
Guest
Please explainSaeedm,
Do you know what a “cop out” is?
Thanks
(my language not good!..so i read your posts with adversity! … And then am inevitable to answer!..which this , is difficulter!. . .become better soon
)Saeed
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CopticChristian
Guest
I shall explain. First explain to me what you mean you read with adversity.Please explain
Thanks
(my language not good!..so i read your posts with adversity! … And then am inevitable to answer!..which this , is difficulter!. . .become better soon
Saeed
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saeedm
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jakasaki
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Hi there Saeed,!
Meaning , translat your posts, is difficult and long
What ever translator you are using, it is not working well.
کبھی کیا مترجم آپ استعمال کر رہے ہیں، یہ اچھی طرح کام نہیں کر رہا ہے.
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