How can Catholics vote for Joe Biden

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Freddy:

HarryStotle:

Yeah, the guy with the child porn on his laptop was the right horse.

You do know that Trump had child porn on his laptop as well? What’s that? You want some evidence of that? Yeah, right. You seem to work on the principle that if you deny something long enough, it will cease to be true.

Oh, did Trump leave his laptop at a repair shop and forgot to pick it up? I suppose you will tell us that the FBI have been sitting on it for a year now but informed you of it? You will also provide us with the names of his business partners who will vouch for all of this and tech experts who have traced the gmail trail and have confirmed the emails are authentic. I suppose you will contact the NYT and WaPo since they are salivating at the opportunity to publish your work.

Oh wait…

…your story is all in your imagination and has no objectively verifiable evidence, does it?

So we need to accept your story because you believe it, and reject the Hunter Biden story and all the actual evidence that supports the truth of it because you don’t believe it.

Okeee.

Wait…you have evidence? Well why didn’t you say? I thought it was people simply repeating what they’d heard. Are you going to start a new thread to pass it on or can you tell us in this one?

I’m assuming that you’ve already passed it on to the relevant authorities.

I see. So your standard for evidence is that I must personally have custody of it?

That does make sense, though.

It would explain why you don’t accept any evidence that you don’t personally see…

…or imagine.

 

[Freddy]

I see. So your standard for evidence is that I must personally have custody of it?

No. You don’t have to have it personally. But there has to be some. You do realise that, don’t you? So where is it? You seem certain of your position so you must have seen something that the rest of us haven’t.

What is it?

 

[mary77]

catholics who can vote for someone like joe biden are catholics who scratch their heads and wonder why none of their kids bother with the catholic church. They do not represent the catholic teachings to themselves or to anyone else. They are like feminist nuns too afraid to leave the convent but go around callllling themselves nuns to gain status without any true commitment to the church teachings.

 

[Dracarys]

Just because you think that no evidence would be good enough doesn’t mean that you have to provide…no evidence. So I’m ready when you are.

I am not in a position to obtain physical evidence so your comment is disengenious, but I recognize the glaring red flag that you choose to ignore.

 

[Dracarys]

No. You don’t have to have it personally. But there has to be some. You do realise that, don’t you? So where is it? You seem certain of your position so you must have seen something that the rest of us haven’t.

What is it?

So if you were employed as a detective and you saw a suspicious person hurriedly running from a house carrying a knife dripping with blood would you ignore it since you have no evidence that a crime was committed or that this person did anything illegal? Maybe he is just cleaning fish or maybe he just murdered someone.

An actual cop would at least find out what happened. Apparently you don’t find it odd that Hunter Biden received $10 million from the Chinese while his dad was in office, yet neither he or Joe will say why. Joe just chuckles and that is good enough for you.

 

[FrankFletcher]

catholics who can vote for someone like joe biden are catholics who scratch their heads and wonder why none of their kids bother with the catholic church. They do not represent the catholic teachings to themselves or to anyone else. They are like feminist nuns too afraid to leave the convent but go around callllling themselves nuns to gain status without any true commitment to the church teachings.

This is master level judgment stuff.

 

[Dracarys]

catholics who can vote for someone like joe biden are catholics who scratch their heads and wonder why none of their kids bother with the catholic church.

You are right. The democrats, leftist, progressives, or socialist - what ever term is appropriate are incideous. According to them, and many Catholics in this thread, murdering babies is fine, confiscating private property is good, opening our borders to millions more aliens brings in more voters, defunding and inhibiting police is great.

So wrong is the new right, down is the new up.

 

[StudentMI]

…confiscating private property is good…

Would you like quotes from Pius XI and JPII showing that property can be socialized or expropriated?

 

[Dracarys]

Would you like quotes from Pius XI and JPII showing that property can be socialized or expropriated?

Don’t bother, here is one from Pope John Paul II:

“The fundamental error of socialism is anthropological in nature. Socialism considers the individual person simply as an element, a molecule within the social organism, so that the good of the individual is completely subordinated to the functioning of the socio-economic mechanism. Socialism likewise maintains that the good of the individual can be realized without reference to his free choice, to the unique and exclusive responsibility which he exercises in the face of good or evil. Man is thus reduced to a series of social relationships, and the concept of the person as the autonomous subject of moral decision disappears, the very subject whose decisions build the social order. From this mistaken conception of the person there arise both a distortion of law, which defines the sphere of the exercise of freedom, and an opposition to private property. A person who is deprived of something he can call “his own,” and of the possibility of earning a living through his own initiative, comes to depend on the social machine and on those who control it. This makes it much more difficult for him to recognize his dignity as a person, and hinders progress towards the building up of an authentic human community.”

So if you want your property taken from you move to Denmark. In the US we still currently use capitalism. No one is forcing you to stay here. Actually, I’ve heard there has been a rise in the number of citizens who expatriate themselves. You can do that anytime. Ba bye.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Just because you think that no evidence would be good enough doesn’t mean that you have to provide…no evidence. So I’m ready when you are.

I am not in a position to obtain physical evidence so your comment is disengenious, but I recognize the glaring red flag that you choose to ignore.

You don’t have to get it yourself. Just tell us all where we can find it. You must know. You’re making all these claims. They can’t be unfounded…surely.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

No. You don’t have to have it personally. But there has to be some. You do realise that, don’t you? So where is it? You seem certain of your position so you must have seen something that the rest of us haven’t.

What is it?

So if you were employed as a detective and you saw a suspicious person hurriedly running from a house carrying a knife dripping with blood would you ignore it since you have no evidence that a crime was committed or that this person did anything illegal? Maybe he is just cleaning fish or maybe he just murdered someone.

An actual cop would at least find out what happened. Apparently you don’t find it odd that Hunter Biden received $10 million from the Chinese while his dad was in office, yet neither he or Joe will say why. Joe just chuckles and that is good enough for you.

This is beginning to sound boring. But do you have any evidence of any illegal activity representing any amount of money whatsoever connected with Biden’s lad? You know, the highly paid Yale-educated investment manager/lawyer. Any at all?

Or are you saying that something smells fishy and should be investigated. Which normally happens before any accusations are made. Because at the moment all I see is a very large case of sour grapes.

You know Biden just won Georgia as well?

 

[pnewton]

catholics who can vote for someone like joe biden are catholics who scratch their heads and wonder why none of their kids bother with the catholic church.

This is offensively general and a deeply personal attack. It is like saying only racists could vote for Trump. I hope no one has ever hit you so low as to go after your children.

 

[Dracarys]

You don’t have to get it yourself. Just tell us all where we can find it. You must know. You’re making all these claims. They can’t be unfounded…surely.

More disingenuous argument from you. As a member of the voting public I want answers from Biden about why a country unfriendly to the U.S. Paid his son $10 million. I also want to know if he is going to pack the court. But instead of answering us he says we don’t have the right to know.

You either have no curiosity or you are so comited to Biden that your willing to ignore anything. I already know your willing to ignore his commitment to abortion, raising taxes, and making millions of workers unemployed.

 

[pnewton]

You either have no curiosity or you are so comited to Biden that your willing to ignore anything.

Or, maybe he is just following the Catholic teaching on rash judgement and how best to avoid it, as listed in the Catechism. Just an idea.

 

[Dracarys]

This is offensively general and a deeply personal attack. It is like saying only racists could vote for Trump. I hope no one has ever hit you so low as to go after your children.

What is OFFENSIVE is Biden and Harris 's immoral commitment to murdering millions more babies and having taxpayers fund it!

 

[Gorgias]

So wrong is the new right, down is the new up.

And has been, since 2016…

but I recognize the glaring red flag that you choose to ignore.

And apparently, the “glaring red flag” is “Biden won the election.” Everyone, hurry up! Man the ramparts! Clearly, a Biden win implies fraud!!!

So if you were employed as a detective and you saw a suspicious person hurriedly running from a house carrying a knife dripping with blood would you ignore it since you have no evidence that a crime was committed or that this person did anything illegal?

The problem is, what we’ve been hearing isn’t eyewitness testimony. Using your example, it’s more like “they own knives; clearly, they used them to commit a murder. We don’t have a body… or a murder weapon… or a witness. But we’re certain that he committed a crime!”

As a member of the voting public I want answers from Biden about why a country unfriendly to the U.S. Paid his son $10 million.

We’d also like answers about why a sitting president has foreign bank accounts and refuses to disclose his own personal finances. What’s sauce for the goose…

I also want to know if he is going to pack the court.

Because we already know that President Trump has done so…

 

[Dracarys]

Or, maybe he is just following the Catholic teaching on rash judgement and how best to avoid it, as listed in the Catechism. Just an idea.

Judgement is your word. I just want an explanation. Maybe Hunter Biden has some secret talent that the Chinese are willing to pay $10 million for. Or maybe instead of talent it’s being the son of a VP.

 

[Dracarys]

The problem is, what we’ve been hearing isn’t eyewitness testimony

We DO know that the son of a sitting VP received $10 million. like President Trump, I just want to know why.

Dracarys:

also want to know if he is going to pack the court.

Because we already know that President Trump has done so…

President Trump did his job and made a legal choice to appoint a justice. I would think most Catholics would applaude and agree with this choice. Biden thinks you and I have no right to know if he will do something no other President has done in recent history.

 

[pnewton]

Judgement is your word.

So was “maybe.” You gave an either/or. I am pointing out there may be other reasons some folks are all up in arms over this.

For me, I leave such matters to law enforcement. I do not hold the sins of the son, if they are found, against the father. So this issue would not affect how I see the election.

 

[Gorgias]

We DO know that the son of a sitting VP received $10 million. like President Trump, I just want to know why.

And we DO know that Russia interfered in the 2016 election, and Trump did nothing to stop them. We just want to know why.

President Trump did his job and made a legal choice to appoint a justice.

OK: so, when Trump appoints justices, it’s “his legal prerogative”. When Biden will do the same, it’s “packing the court.” And you’re not seeing the bias in your assertions here?

Biden thinks you and I have no right to know if he will do something no other President has done in recent history.

Like… put out a spate of new judicial appointments? Just like Trump did on Friday?