By what authority does the atheist even define what is moral?I just got into an discussion with an atheist who claimed that the only way to have an truly moral society which would be secular included individual euthanasia (since people should have the right to decide how they die and totally would not extend to the mentally disabled) since religion uses God in the OT to justify male circumcisum and slavery of foreign people it’s in Leviticus 25:44 and 12:3 respectively. Please, someone help me.
Of course unless society recognizes and worships God a purely secular culture will develope for whom there is no right or wrong. The few Christians surviving in such a society will be at the mercy of the secular state. This happened in Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, in Communist China, Cuba, etc.I just got into an discussion with an atheist who claimed that the only way to have an truly moral society which would be secular included individual euthanasia (since people should have the right to decide how they die and totally would not extend to the mentally disabled) since religion uses God in the OT to justify male circumcisum and slavery of foreign people it’s in Leviticus 25:44 and 12:3 respectively. Please, someone help me.
Or a worse thing can happen, which I think already has happened: men will worship a counterfeit god who is in reality Lucifer, parading the earth under the guise of spreading enlightenment.
I agree with the other replier’s question: “With what criteria can an atheist define morals?” It was something like that… did he say that people would have a right to do anything else? Why is choosing how they die the determining moral factor? What about the people who want to murder? If people have a right to choose how they want to die then they must be able to choose how they want to live… and if you don’t allow someone to do that then you are oppressing them the same way you are oppressing the people you were trying not to oppress. You cannot allow people to live as killers if they wish and simultaneously allow everyone to choose how they die. SOMEONE has to be oppressed in order to NOT oppress someone else and therefore this person’s idea of morality is not morality at all but an impossible reality.I just got into an discussion with an atheist who claimed that the only way to have an truly moral society which would be secular included individual euthanasia (since people should have the right to decide how they die and totally would not extend to the mentally disabled) since religion uses God in the OT to justify male circumcisum and slavery of foreign people it’s in Leviticus 25:44 and 12:3 respectively. Please, someone help me.
If the Bible is God’s word, than how can we say that anything about it is influenced by human thinking? It wouldn’t completely be God’s word then… it would be some of God’s word and human’s take on what God might be thinking. Or maybe just human’s guessing.
That is not what his friend is claiming.
The point of faith is defined by what and how much one may believe. We have never seen God, but a long time ago His Son, who is God, in the mystical secret of The Holy Trinity, did walk on this earth and today He is still talking to us in deeds and in love. That we belive, and that is our faith.
I just got into an discussion with an atheist who claimed that the only way to have an truly moral society which would be secular included individual euthanasia (since people should have the right to decide how they die and totally would not extend to the mentally disabled) since religion uses God in the OT to justify male circumcisum and slavery of foreign people it’s in Leviticus 25:44 and 12:3 respectively. Please, someone help me.
Agreed. That makes no sense.
Of course, that makes no sense either.
I’d be interested in hearing 1ke’s explanation too. But I’d be surprised if we get one from her.
I guess you have to clarify what you mean by people can be moral without God. Can a Godless person preform acts of morality? Sure, can they be moral appearing? Ok. Can they live a completely moral life devoid of any immorality? Nope. And there is no way to prove one could anyway. We do not know the deep dark secrets of every single person we know. But to have a set of morals or principles without acknowledging the Author of all Morality is only just to live by a set of principles you thought of and you are only accountable to you. And sometimes the best liar I have ever heard is myself telling myself I am right.What do you mean…“morality has no meaning without God”?
You can’t mean people cannot be moral without God, because there are millions of people who have been and are moral without any God.
So do you mean…people who are moral without God…have no meaning in their morality? And if so, what does* that *mean?
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I’m not arguing against faith, but if the Bible is truly God’s word then it must not contain any human words, or human interpretations. In other words it has to be purely what God wants said and taught and nothing more. But as far as I know, rather than condoning slavery, the Bible teaches the proper way to treat slaves if you do have them. Which means in God’s eyes having slaves must not be a sin.
The poster was quite right. People can not live a moral life without God. The statement is flawed because how would one differentiate what is moral and what is not moral without some kind of pre existing idea of Morals. There can be no Bad without Good to compare it to otherwise it would just be called different. Every atheist will tell you evil exists.What do you mean…“morality has no meaning without God”?
You can’t mean people cannot be moral without God, because there are millions of people who have been and are moral without any God.
So do you mean…people who are moral without God…have no meaning in their morality? And if so, what does* that *mean?
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Without God there is no Lawgiver and therefore no moral standard to tell us what is really right or wrong. In a purely secular world there is no " morality, " all actions no matter how heinous are equally valid. So called " morality " is such a world is determined by whoever possesses the most and more powerful guns. And it really is that simple. Secularists may spin all the nicest throries about morality they wish, but without God, it is the gun than wins.What do you mean…“morality has no meaning without God”?
You can’t mean people cannot be moral without God, because there are millions of people who have been and are moral without any God.
So do you mean…people who are moral without God…have no meaning in their morality? And if so, what does* that *mean?
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So what is the source of Ethics, which is taught in various schools, and is secular? Note, I do agree that some areas of Christian morality would not arise in the scope of an Ethics class. For example, Ethics would not have a position on homosexual relations; our Christian morality on this subject comes from God. Is it the case that all Ethics as taught is derived from religious law?
God gave us the Ten Commandments. If we know this, then we know that even when we don’t feel like it, we have to obey the Ten Commandments.What do you mean…“morality has no meaning without God”?
You can’t mean people cannot be moral without God, because there are millions of people who have been and are moral without any God.
So do you mean…people who are moral without God…have no meaning in their morality? And if so, what does* that *mean?
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