How can I defend that communion in hand is not sacrilege?

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First few questions:
Is receiving communion in hands sacrilege?
Did Church practice hand in 4th century?

This guy is constantly saying that communion in hand is sacrilege.
I simply asked him to say the source where it says it’s sacrilege from today’s Catholic Church, as it would be very serious matter if it is sacrilege.
But, he is constantly saying it is sacrilege, it was always, and the Catholic church was always that stance, but people are confused, particles are left in hand etc…

How should I approach?
 
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I think you might get more answers if you move this thread to Liturgy & Sacraments. This is a question that is being discussed all the time, here at CAF.
 
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I did it, so now you don’t have to worry about it. 🙂

~carry on 😇~
 
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Yes, carry on, but you may also want to use the search feature while waiting for the arguments, er, discussions to begin. 😉 There are numerous threads there on the topic of “communion in the hand.”
 
How should I approach?
Which does one sin more with: the hand or the tongue? I’d say probably both, but with an edge to the tongue. I can make creative things with my hand but can cut someone down with a few wags of the tongue.

Which has more germs: freshly washed hands, or the tongue? Arguably, the tongue.

So any reason to favour one over the other becomes a disciplinary matter tied to cultural small-t tradition and ends up being a « how many angels can dance on the head of a pin » argument.

The real sacrilege comes from our sins, and the attitude of the heart. Not the body part used to receive the Host.
 
First few questions:
Is receiving communion in hands sacrilege?
Did Church practice hand in 4th century?
You apear to have some strong opinions on this on your other thread on traditionalism
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Is traditionalism new devil attack? Philosophy
The ‘traditionalists’ are more and more prevalent in media and in real life. I am hearing that communion in hand is sacrilege, that giving peace is disrespect to Jesus on the altar etc… It’s very subtle, because it sounds all super Catholic, but actually, in my opinion, it’s not. People think that they are revering Christ, but actually they are disrespect Holy Mother Church, making other people doubt in todays Church, which has got and authority from Christ himself to teach us, so in that line…
 
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So what is your experience with going to TLM Mass. Have you formed your opinion on or off line

Have you been to TLM Mass with
This guy is constantly saying that communion in hand is sacrilege.
How many people are you hearing from? What forum are you hearing this in?
 
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What makes you charge those going to TLM as you have in your other thread

You have charged them with some pretty serious accusations.
 
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I have been twice to TLM mass. It’s mass. I just cant hear priest because they dont use microphones.
I don’t see issue with that. Why are you asking me?
How many people are you hearing from? What forum are you hearing this in?
I started hearing from people around me which I see most often, and they go to church starting to saying those things.

on instagram one guy said receiving communion in hand is sacrilege. period. and he got many likes.
I said it is not. but he said - it is. So that made me thinking. Because it’s most certainly NOT.
 
on instagram one guy said receiving communion in hand is sacrilege. period. and he got many likes.
one guy on instragram…and what makes his opinion have any credit?
I have been twice to TLM mass.
Going twice allows you to charge anyone considered a traditionalist with all those accusations, disrespecting the church, leading others to doubt the church, being led by the devil?
Really? How can you make such a solid judgement from such limited exposure?

Did you attend a TLM that might have been Sspx?

my advice is stop extrapolating an entire community from one guy getting likes, or two TLM Masses where you would not have been engaging in opinions, but engaging in the Mass instead
 
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This thing about “communion on the tongue”–really, why elevate a medieval innovation that simply makes it difficult to receive under both species?

Proper catechesis on reception in the hand is better. The teaching of St. Cyril of Jerusalem can simply be printed on a leaflet and given to everybody.

From Cyril’s “Catechetical Lecture 23”:
  1. After this ye hear the chanter inviting you with a sacred melody to the communion of the Holy Mysteries, and saying, O taste and see that the Lord is good. Trust not the judgment to your bodily palate no, but to faith unfaltering; for they who taste are bidden to taste, not bread and wine, but the anti-typical Body and Blood of Christ.
  2. In approaching therefore, come not with your wrists extended, or your fingers spread; but make your left hand a throne for the right, as for that which is to receive a King. And having hollowed your palm, receive the Body of Christ, saying over it, Amen. So then after having carefully hallowed your eyes by the touch of the Holy Body, partake of it; giving heed lest you lose any portion thereof ; for whatever you lose, is evidently a loss to you as it were from one of your own members. For tell me, if any one gave you grains of gold, would you not hold them with all carefulness, being on your guard against losing any of them, and suffering loss? Will you not then much more carefully keep watch, that not a crumb fall from you of what is more precious than gold and precious stones?
  3. Then after you have partaken of the Body of Christ, draw near also to the Cup of His Blood; not stretching forth your hands, but bending , and saying with an air of worship and reverence, Amen , hallow yourself by partaking also of the Blood of Christ. And while the moisture is still upon your lips, touch it with your hands, and hallow your eyes and brow and the other organs of sense. Then wait for the prayer, and give thanks unto God, who has accounted you worthy of so great mysteries.
Cyril takes for granted that this is the normal and proper way to receive, and it appears to have been the universal practice until the 9th century in the East, and the 12th century in the West (when communion on the tongue, under one species, became the norm for the laity).

Ironically, by this time, the fear of profanation was greatly reduced, anyway, since the laity had all but ceased to receive the Eucharist.

Adam Kemner Cyril simply says that, after having drunk from the Cup, we should touch our lips and then make the sign of the Cross upon our forehead.

As for infants, allowances are made, just as they are today. The baby would receive the Blood of Christ, if not on a spoon, then by having the celebrant dip a finger into the Chalice and bringing it to the baby’s lips. This was done for a millennium in the West. And infants are still communicated with the Blood alone, until the are able to swallow solid food.

Toddlers and older could probably receive just as adults do.

ZP
 
It’s not your opinion vs. his. The Church says it’s ok to receive in the hand so I think it’s better to go with the Church’s teaching over anybody’s opinion.
 
one guy on instragram…and what makes his opinion have any credit?
It doesnt have, that’s the thing. But people hear that and it confuses them, just like it confused me in the beginning. It’s like heresy.
TLM Masses where you would not have been engaging in opinions, but engaging in the Mass instead
this doesnt have anything to do with TLM masses. You are going overboard here. What ive heard is from people who attend regular Mass, some go to TLM, but really not the subject here.
 
Every trace of evidence, and tradition indicates two ‘horrific’ facts:
  1. The first mass was celebrated in the vernacular (Aramaic)
  2. The Apostles received in the hand.
So what is this I hear?
 
There are toxic personalities in every group and we must not generalize and label the entire group as toxic or whatever the trait is that we might identify.

There are those who think they know better then the church everywhere. To give voice to it is to do just the same as is being complained of, to create division and spout of opinions of the way another worships.
It doesnt have, that’s the thing. But people hear that and it confuses them, just like it confused me in the beginning. It’s like heresy.
People need to learn to use critical thinking. Dont just hear something on the internet and take it , investigate it.

That being said, people do have the right to their opinion on how Communion is taken. YOu have yours, a very traditional person might have his or hers. God likes variety.
this doesnt have anything to do with TLM masses. You are going overboard here. What ive heard is from people who attend regular Mass, some go to TLM, but really not the subject here.
TLM is traditionalist and that is what I am referring to on your other thread where you restate your opinions of traditionalist mind set. You have said, "the traditionalists’
The first mass was celebrated in the vernacular (Aramaic)
We dont know that and have no evidence for it. Given it was Passover , it is more likely to have been celebrated in Biblical Hebrew, the language of Worship.
 
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