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Alindawyl
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The bolded part needs context
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Alindawyl
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Is happiness only possible if you can force others to obey you? Would it really make you happy if every time you saw them you knew they were only there because you changed them from an individual into a mere extension of your own will?
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James_S_Saint
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Happiness or Joy is formed by your perception of progress. But what you perceive as progress is dependent on your goal. If Heaven is your goal, then you will be joyful in getting there. If Heaven was not really your goal (ie. “I would rather be with my friends and family”), then Heaven will not be your destination.
Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
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Alindawyl
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Makes sense, thanks.
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MindOverMatter
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I like this one. I would just like to add one thing. Philosophically speaking, once we get to heaven, we would all realize a fundamental truth, and this truth is that God is the root of all good and all natures, and thus any good that exists is in reality is ultimately an expression of Gods will and not something that is caused by the creation. We love the good in things. We see the good in having a parent a brother a sister, and having relationships. These created goods are in fact living metaphors which are in reality eternal expressions of love; variations of unity which exist for the service of love. But these good things belong to God alone and exist in God to a perfect degree. Any good that exists in us is a gift from God, and it is a gift that we can freely reject. Such goods are not something that is of the nature of people; they are not natures in and of themselves by their own accord.
The truth is, we cannot be fulfilled by Gods creation. When we love people above God, our love is imperfect, because God is love, and thus we are in reality worshiping false idols. People who are in hell, are not your brothers or sisters or mothers or any of the things that we loved about them, but are instead the enemies of love and they are the enemies of the good things that we loved about them in this life, and are thus enemies of you; they are remnants of what could have been people in love. To look at it in any other way is to deceive ones self in to thinking that the good that we see in creation is the good of creation, when in reality it is the good of God. This is idol worship. We become less then a person when we remove ourselves from the worship of love, because we have the free will to oppose love; thus we freely oppose that which the personal nature was created for, and that is to love perfectly. To accept love is to fulfill ones nature as a personal being; it is to become a complete person. Its hard to see it now, but it cannot be true that God or any of those who are saved would be wounded by the suffering of anyone in hell, since this would suggest that something good exists in hell. Only God is good.
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LittleBits
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Well, firstly, we do not know for sure that there is anyone at all in hell. Hopefully, everyone felt the Ăźpirit of God reach out to them before or at the moment of death, and hopefully they responded favourably.
Secondly, if your loved ones did go to Hell, while you went to Heaveb, I would imagine you would just have no memory of them at all. They wouldn’t even exist in your mind.
Secondly, if your loved ones did go to Hell, while you went to Heaveb, I would imagine you would just have no memory of them at all. They wouldn’t even exist in your mind.
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