How can people say homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone

[cena]

Even the article you posted from The Wire, says, “Their research found that on average the annual divorce rate for same-sex couples is similar to, though slightly lower than, the rate for different-sex couples.”

foxnews.com/opinion/2011/05/24/sex-marriage-experiment-work/

Things like cohabitation have made divorce rates go higher too

 

[davidv]

The difference is heterosexuals admit to it. Homosexuals and their supporters, for the most part, refuse to admit to it. They put their fingers in their ears and say "lalalalalalalala’ while they continue telling their favorite lie “homosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone”

This is an unsupported assertion. Where are your facts to back it up?

I happen to fully agree with Church teaching of this topic. This post does nothing to support or defend those teachings. In fact, it appears to be anti-evangelistic, driving a wedge between the truth and those who desperately need to hear it.

 

[cena]

According to the Washington Post, “the dissolution rate of same-sex marriages seems comparable to…the divorce rate of traditional marriages.”

washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/12/15/same-sex-divorce-rate-not-as-low-as-it-seemed/

frc.org/get.cfm?i=if04g01

 

[Prodigal_Son]

There is a long history of acceptance by at least the Greeks of homosexuality being natural. They are usually the first ones cited by those arguing for “gay marriage” due to their acceptance of the idea of homosexuality being natural.

Then why did both Plato and Aristotle write that it was unnatural, in a context that indicated that everyone agreed about that point?

The Greeks just didn’t think “unnatural” immediately meant “wrong.”

 

[Catholic13]

Are you also against heterosexual behavior because of all the pain and destruction it causes to society?

Anything outside of marriage, yes.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

You know Thor, I apologize about my earlier comment concerning those with SSA getting the impression that the Church and Catholics in general view them with disgust. I know better and this thread is making me feel that the Church and Catholics in general view people with SSA with disgust.

That’s because most rational Catholics don’t enter the monkey house. I’m the exception, apparently.

This thread is NUTS.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Then why did both Plato and Aristotle write that it was unnatural, in a context that indicated that everyone agreed about that point?

The Greeks just didn’t think “unnatural” immediately meant “wrong.”

Could you link an article that discusses Plato’s and Aristotle’s (or really any other Greek philosopher’s) views on homosexuality? I’m working under the impression that the ancient Greeks by and large accepted homosexuality as natural (i.e. happens in nature, which is different from right/wrong natural).

 

[Thorolfr]

frc.org/get.cfm?i=if04g01

The Family Research Council is hardly an unbiased source of information on homosexuality and The Southern Poverty Law Center designated the FRC as a hate group in the Winter 2010.

In February 2010, the Family Research Council’s Senior Researcher for Policy Studies, Peter Sprigg, stated on NBC’s Hardball that gay behavior should be outlawed and that “criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior” should be enforced.[24] In May that same year, Sprigg publicly suggested that repealing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy would encourage molestation of heterosexual service members. In November 2010, [Tony] Perkins [president of the FRC] was asked about Sprigg’s comments regarding the criminalization of same-sex behavior: he responded that criminalizing homosexuality is not a goal of the Family Research Council. Perkins repeated the FRC’s association of homosexuals with pedophilia, stating: “If you look at the American College of Pediatricians, they say the research is overwhelming that homosexuality poses a danger to children.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council

 

[Prodigal_Son]

This is an unsupported assertion. Where are your facts to back it up?

I happen to fully agree with Church teaching of this topic. This post does nothing to support or defend those teachings. In fact, it appears to be anti-evangelistic, driving a wedge between the truth and those who desperately need to hear it.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.

:clapping::clapping::clapping:

:extrahappy::extrahappy::extrahappy:

If someone gleefully listed off all the bad consequences of YOUR sins, it would **** you off and make you stop wanting to listen to them. But several people on this thread think that gleefully listing off the consequences of “gay sins” is something Jesus wants them to do.

Jesus. Wants. You. To. Stop. Posting. And. Rethink. Your. Life.

We should all be humble, and prayerful, about the consequences of our sins. But we should never sit back calmly and take joy in listing off the evils other people around us are prone to. That’s the devil’s work.

 

[SMGS127]

The only people I find disgusting are those who spend more time trying to justify a dangerous sexual behavior rather than doing something about those suffering and dying because they engage in such behavior.

Excuse me?

LGBT groups are the #1 source for AIDS research donations and AIDS support groups. We build medical centers specifically to help treat our gay and/or transgender brothers and sisters who were unfortunate enough to procure AIDS. We do all this because the heterosexual world for decades laughed at us and told gay men to enjoy dying, and there wouldn’t BE any of this AIDS research development if it weren’t for the gay community. To suggest that gay people, celibate or otherwise, do not volunteer time, effort, prayers, and money towards sufferers of AIDS is to grossly misrepresent American history.

We can oppose people harmfully committing calumny against the LGBT community, insulting the community, citing hate groups, being extremely rude, etc. while also supporting our brothers and sisters who have obtained this terrible disease.

This is literally the second-most offensive post I have ever read on the site (and literally the only reason you don’t win is because I’ve seen one or two posters claim that the American murders of gay people were justified in most cases).

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Could you link an article that discusses Plato’s and Aristotle’s (or really any other Greek philosopher’s) views on homosexuality? I’m working under the impression that the ancient Greeks by and large accepted homosexuality as natural (i.e. happens in nature, which is different from right/wrong natural).

I don’t have an article handy, but I’m a scholar of ancient philosophy. I can tell you that Plato said homosexual sex is “against nature”, and he thought rulers should gradually establish taboos surrounding it. (That was quite prophetic of him.) Plato had various views about same-sex intimacy throughout his career, and he certainly had a lot of sympathy for other men who found males attractive – Plato probably had some SSA himself, and Socrates was VERY fond of beautiful young men, though also VERY chaste.

Aristotle developed the first developmental theory of homosexual attraction. I forget what it was, but – when I heard it – it sounded just like something out of a 1880s psychology book.

When they said it was “unnatural”, they meant that it did not accord with any plausible notion of human flourishing, and they probably also meant that “there was no proper end (telos) to the act”. In their experience, same-sex *sexual *relationships were generally far too focused on pleasure – or at least, that’s how Plato and Aristotle talked about it. Part of the problem, here, was that many of these relationships were pederastic, and thus exploitative in a particularly troubling way.

 

[cena]

The Family Research Council is hardly an unbiased source of information on homosexuality and The Southern Poverty Law Center designated the FRC as a hate group in the Winter 2010.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council

And the nytimes and Washington Post are not biased? Really? Family Research Center wants to preserve the family to benefit society that is not “hate.” LGBT groups see the family as an oppressive unit because it does not fit their ideas. What LGBT group truly cares about the children? They are harming the development of children in order to make the “couple” feel better

 

[SMGS127]

And the nytimes and Washington Post are not biased? Really? Family Research Center wants to preserve the family to benefit society that is not “hate.” LGBT groups see the family as an oppressive unit because it does not fit their ideas. What LGBT group truly cares about the children? They are harming the development of children in order to make the “couple” feel better

The FRC has consistently misrepresented and/or made up statistics to try to portray homosexuals as child molesters and threats to children. This is a direct quote from one of the organization’s pamphlets:

“One of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the ‘prophets’ of a new sexual order.”

Or from one of the directors of the FRC:

“Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the homosexual movement.”

Or from Tony Perkins, speaking as the head of the FRC:

“Those who understand the homosexual community—the activists—they’re very aggressive, they’re—everything they accuse us of they are in triplicate. They’re intolerant, they’re hateful, vile, they’re spiteful. … To me, that is the height of hatred, to be silent when we know there are individuals that are engaged in activity, behavior, and an agenda that will destroy them and our nation.”

This is a hate group, plain and simple. They attempt to incite violence and hatred against homosexuals by issuing calumnous statements and putting out fake research or misrepresenting the results of actual research. No one should give them any credibility whatsoever.

 

[cena]

Excuse me?

LGBT groups are the #1 source for AIDS research donations and AIDS support groups. We build medical centers specifically to help treat our gay and/or transgender brothers and sisters who were unfortunate enough to procure AIDS. We do all this because the heterosexual world for decades laughed at us and told gay men to enjoy dying, and there wouldn’t BE any of this AIDS research development if it weren’t for the gay community. To suggest that gay people, celibate or otherwise, do not volunteer time, effort, prayers, and money towards sufferers of AIDS is to grossly misrepresent American history.

We can oppose people harmfully committing calumny against the LGBT community, insulting the community, citing hate groups, being extremely rude, etc. while also supporting our brothers and sisters who have obtained this terrible disease.

This is literally the second-most offensive post I have ever read on the site (and literally the only reason you don’t win is because I’ve seen one or two posters claim that the American murders of gay people were justified in most cases).

They would not so easily contract AIDS if it they were not engaged in this lifestyle. The excess sperm in a male’s body can cause more than just AIDS, it can also lead to anal cancer. I am not trying to be extremely rude, but the fact is there are lot more bad side effects to the homosexual lifestyle that they do not advertise. As Catholics we cannot approve of such groups that encourage behavior that ultimately brings harm to others(but more importantly offend God).

These groups are pushing for the normalization of an immoral and unhealthy lifestyle.

 

[cena]

The FRC has consistently misrepresented and/or made up statistics to try to portray homosexuals as child molesters and threats to children. This is a direct quote from one of the organization’s pamphlets:

Or from one of the directors of the FRC:

Or from Tony Perkins, speaking as the head of the FRC:

This is a hate group, plain and simple. They attempt to incite violence and hatred against homosexuals by issuing calumnous statements and putting out fake research or misrepresenting the results of actual research. No one should give them any credibility whatsoever.

A lot of the gay community wants public nudity, sexual acts in semi public places, etc. I do not know about pedophilia, but they are definitely indulging in serious immorality. I am sorry but the gay community is just not as innocent as you would like to think they are. I worry about your statements because it appears you are denying Church teaching about the disorder attractions between homosexuals. You might just be saying that the Family Reserach Center is just a hate group.

 

[SMGS127]

They would not so easily contract AIDS if it they were not engaged in this lifestyle. The excess sperm in a male’s body can cause more than just AIDS, it can also lead to anal cancer. I am not trying to be extremely rude, but the fact is there are lot more bad side effects to the homosexual lifestyle that they do not advertise. As Catholics we cannot approve of such groups that encourage behavior that ultimately brings harm to others(but more importantly offend God).

These groups are pushing for the normalization of an immoral and unhealthy lifestyle.

First of all, sperm doesn’t cause AIDS (or any other STD). The only possible “illness” that can be caused by sperm is an allergic reaction, which can happen to anyone who is allergic, anywhere. The disease is not caused by merely coming into contact with sperm.

Second of all, the Church is not an all-or-nothing organization. We are not told to denigrate those organizations who do good will – we are told to criticize their actions which are not done with good will. Similarly, one should not insult a person – they should evaluate that person’s actions. I criticize the actions that are sinful by the HRC, et. al. just as I criticize the hateful actions of the FRC and the Westboro Baptist Church. But I also recognize the wonderful work the gay community does in establishing AIDS prevention, research, and treatment programs as well as homeless shelters for LGBT youth kicked out of their homes.

 

[cena]

The FRC has consistently misrepresented and/or made up statistics to try to portray homosexuals as child molesters and threats to children. This is a direct quote from one of the organization’s pamphlets:

Or from one of the directors of the FRC:

Or from Tony Perkins, speaking as the head of the FRC:

This is a hate group, plain and simple. They attempt to incite violence and hatred against homosexuals by issuing calumnous statements and putting out fake research or misrepresenting the results of actual research. No one should give them any credibility whatsoever.

That guy is right this behavior is already destroying our nation

 

[SMGS127]

A lot of the gay community wants public nudity, sexual acts in semi public places, etc. I do not know about pedophilia, but they are definitely indulging in serious immorality. I am sorry but the gay community is just not as innocent as you would like to think they are. I worry about your statements because it appears you are denying Church teaching about the disorder attractions between homosexuals. You might just be saying that the Family Reserach Center is just a hate group.

I was in the gay community for over 5 years – it is not nearly as immoral as you think. Gay people do not want public nudity or public sex acts or to molest children. They are regular, everyday people. We just want to be able to live their lives in peace without persecution.

The Family Research Council is a hate group.

Also I very much support Church teaching. What I don’t support is perpetuating harmful, false myths about the gay community or gay people in general as some form of “defense” of Church teaching. The Church doesn’t need the “help.” She has a proper defense all her own.

 

[cena]

First of all, sperm doesn’t cause AIDS (or any other STD). The only possible “illness” that can be caused by sperm is an allergic reaction, which can happen to anyone who is allergic, anywhere. The disease is not caused by merely coming into contact with sperm.

Second of all, the Church is not an all-or-nothing organization. We are not told to denigrate those organizations who do good will – we are told to criticize their actions which are not done with good will. Similarly, one should not insult a person – they should evaluate that person’s actions. I criticize the actions that are sinful by the HRC, et. al. just as I criticize the hateful actions of the FRC and the Westboro Baptist Church. But I also recognize the wonderful work the gay community does in establishing AIDS prevention, research, and treatment programs as well as homeless shelters for LGBT youth kicked out of their homes.

AIDS prevention? Like condoms? You do know that contraception is condemned by the Church right? Also, condoms do not have as a high a success rate as they are advertised. Also at these centers they probably teach these kids to live highly immoral lives and that the world hates them.

 

[cena]

I was in the gay community for over 5 years – it is not nearly as immoral as you think. Gay people do not want public nudity or public sex acts or to molest children. They are regular, everyday people. We just want to be

able to live their lives in peace without persecution.

The Family Research Council is a hate group.

As long as you are not living a life including homosexual acts you are fine.