How can people say homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone

[Catholic13]

Don’t make me laugh.

To be honest, Catholic13’s and your bigotry and hate towards homosexuality hurts much more of society. Can’t you see that?

Here, from your own Catechism, I quote:

**They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. **

By even creating this thread, Catholic13 is doing the exact opposite of that. I am offended by this bigotry and hate.

Calling sin what it is,…SIN is not being disrespectful to the person or discriminating against the person. No where in the catechism does it say we must accept and support sin. You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to deceive us.

 

[Ositokc]

Calling sin what it is,…SIN is not being disrespectful to the person or discriminating against the person. No where in the catechism does it say we must accept and support sin. You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to deceive us.

No, it’s YOU who should be ashamed at starting this moronic thread. Let me repeat the first response:

"Well…because it’s not homosexuality that spreads diseases.
It’s sex.
Heterosexuality can spread diseases, too.

So it’s not homosexuality, as you say, that “hurts” people.

You are incorrect to say that “any type of sexual activity outside a committed marriage causes harm by spreading disease”.
This is not the case.

And actually, some could turn your question around and ask:
How can people say that condoms hurt anyone, when they prevent disease from spreading in society?"

There, she just destroyed and completely took apart your whole thread, yet you continue to beat a dead horse in your pathetic attempt to spread hate. You cannot refute anything she said. /end thread.

 

[Rau]

Both smg and joie de vivre supports the recognition of homosexual unions in society and use the same tactics that the Catholic Church says are used by the gay lobby. This with promoting that SSA is innate can cause people to be confused about the permanence of their condition. The Church teaches that those with SSA should pray for change. See SMG’s commentary below:

*"I do honestly think marriage should just be completely done away with from a legal point of view. Gays & lesbians mean it in a secular sense of gaining partnership abilities (car insurance rates, joint bank accounts, mixed credit, hospital visitation, legal/medical authority, etc. etc.), religious mean it in a religious sense, and it just makes everyone mad.

Legalized universal civil unions that make no assumption of sexual activity and only speak to legal authorities [medical visitation/authority, inheritance, etc.] and financial purposes [banking/credit, etc.], which any two people could enter into, including siblings or friends or life partners/spouses, would be the way to get out of this mess. We could have separate governmental childrearing benefits, to keep that reserved for marriages, and leave the recognition of marriages up to the Church. "*

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=895608

You have declined 3 times to answer my question. You have no answer to my question, clearly.

As a prudential matter, I don’t like SMGS’s approach above. But, I see nothing wrong with civil/legal institutions that provide appropriate legal frameworks that enable arbitrary persons to share assets, provide mutual care, inheritance arrangements and the like. Such an institution need have no State acclaim (as does Marriage), and no suggestion that the arrangement is marital or sexual. It would be in every relevant sense not marriage. I recall reading on CAF that a major Archdiocese in the US has also said that it would have no objection to such an arrangement. **

 

[Catholic13]

Omg. It is ineffective because monogamy would stop the spread of disease. Like, multiple people have said this. I truly don’t know how to make this any more clear.

They aren’t doing a very good job of it…are they? 52% of AIDS cases are homosexuals.

 

[Rau]

Say something like your argument isn’t effective because …and then state your reason

Post #95 is of that form.

 

[Rau]

Telling a young gay person that their being Gay is wrong, evil and hurts people…THIS is what hurts them and can do irreversible damage.

Agreed. Their inclination is a challenge. Being Gay is not evil, and to say so may well damage a person.

Encouraging them to chastity, the avoidance of same sex sexual activity is all that is really required.

 

[Catholic13]

No, it’s YOU who should be ashamed at starting this moronic thread. Let me repeat the first response:

"Well…because it’s not homosexuality that spreads diseases.
It’s sex.
Heterosexuality can spread diseases, too.

So it’s not homosexuality, as you say, that “hurts” people.

You are incorrect to say that “any type of sexual activity outside a committed marriage causes harm by spreading disease”.
This is not the case.

And actually, some could turn your question around and ask:
How can people say that condoms hurt anyone, when they prevent disease from spreading in society?"

There, she just destroyed and completely took apart your whole thread, yet you continue to beat a dead horse in your pathetic attempt to spread hate. You cannot refute anything she said. /end thread.

Who destroyed my argument? Be specific. My argument is a simple one that hasn’t been proven wrong yet. Let me repeat it for the people with a short attention span. Homosexual activity spreads disease.

 

[Thorolfr]

Let me repeat it for the people with a short attention span. Homosexual activity spreads disease.

And so does heterosexual activity

 

[Catholic13]

And so does heterosexual activity

Something I acknowledged in post #1.

 

[Thorolfr]

Something I acknowledged in post #1.

So are you trying to say that since both homosexual activity and heterosexual active can spread disease, they are both bad somehow? Are you trying to promote celibacy?

 

[Gary_Sheldrake]

They aren’t doing a very good job of it…are they? 52% of AIDS cases are homosexuals.

Good Evening Catholic13: I think it’s interesting how statistics can be used. This one for instance, has to pertain to some geographic segment such as the United States, because globally, about 70% of all AIDS cases are in Sub-Saharan Africa, where heterosexual women compose nearly 60% of all AIDS cases. Source: UNAIDS 2011 pg. 20-30

All the best,
Gary

 

[Thorolfr]

Good Evening Catholic13: I think it’s interesting how statistics can be used. This one for instance, has to pertain to some geographic segment such as the United States, because globally, about 70% of all AIDS cases are in Sub-Saharan Africa, where heterosexual women compose nearly 60% of all AIDS cases. Source: UNAIDS 2011 pg. 20-30

All the best,
Gary

 

[Gary_Sheldrake]

How can people say homosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone, when it does damage to society by spreading disease? In fact any type of sexual activity outside of committed marriages causes harm by spreading disease. Does anyone have any insight?

Good Evening Catholic13: To this larger question at the head of the thread, I would suggest that homosexuality primarily hurts heterosexual people who spend what little time they have on this earth worrying about the sexuality of other people. Worrying about who else gets married. Things like that. I would rather be engaged in my own sexuality than to worry about others. Now, this is just my opinion, but I’m pretty certain that I’m not being hurt by other people’s sexuality. As to what hurts people sexually, I think it’s ignorance about risks and ignorance about managing ones sexual activities in a safe manner. Also certain cultural and religious ideas that prevent people from talking openly and honestly and from taking practical preventative measures.

All the best,
Gary

 

[BrassAnkles]

Telling a young gay person that their being Gay is wrong, evil and hurts people…THIS is what hurts them and can do irreversible damage.
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**This is not the Catholic Church stance and furthermore can cause a young person to lose hope that their condition can change, which is a grave error. **The truth is homosexuality is not biological and changes for the majority of persons. Since most people do not want this condition the proper Christian thing to do is to share the Gospel and the facts of science regarding SSA, not propaganda promoted by the gay lobby that falsely claims people cannot change.

Here is what the Catholic Church says:

*Nevertheless, increasing numbers of people today, even within the Church, are bringing enormous pressure to bear on the Church to accept the homosexual condition as though it were not disordered and to condone homosexual activity. Those within the Church who argue in this fashion often have close ties with those with similar views outside it. These latter groups are guided by a vision opposed to the truth about the human person, which is fully disclosed in the mystery of Christ. They reflect, even if not entirely consciously, a materialistic ideology which denies the transcendent nature of the human person as well as the supernatural vocation of every individual.

***The Church’s ministers must ensure that homosexual persons in their care will not be misled by this point of view, so profoundly opposed to the teaching of the Church. But the risk is great and there are many who seek to create confusion regarding the Church’s position, and then to use that confusion to their own advantage.

 

[Catholic13]

Good Evening Catholic13: To this larger question at the head of the thread, I would suggest that homosexuality primarily hurts heterosexual people who spend what little time they have on this earth worrying about the sexuality of other people. Worrying about who else gets married. Things like that. I would rather be engaged in my own sexuality than to worry about others. Now, this is just my opinion, but I’m pretty certain that I’m not being hurt by other people’s sexuality.

All the best,
Gary

It’s a discussion board. You can include yourself in that group hurt by worrying about others.

 

[frobert]

Who destroyed my argument? Be specific. My argument is a simple one that hasn’t been proven wrong yet. Let me repeat it for the people with a short attention span. Homosexual activity spreads disease.

Your argument has been decimated several times. It is irresponsible sexual activity that spreads STDs whether straight or gay. Since you offer no remedy to irresponsible sexual behavior and reject the common sense of risk reduction all that you have left is to complain about gay sex. Do you expect any reasonable person to take you seriously?

Good Evening Catholic13: To this larger question at the head of the thread, I would suggest that homosexuality primarily hurts heterosexual people who spend what little time they have on this earth worrying about the sexuality of other people. Worrying about who else gets married. Things like that. I would rather be engaged in my own sexuality than to worry about others. Now, this is just my opinion, but I’m pretty certain that I’m not being hurt by other people’s sexuality. As to what hurts people sexually, I think it’s ignorance about risks and ignorance about managing ones sexual activities in a safe manner. Also certain cultural and religious ideas that prevent people from talking openly and honestly and from taking practical preventative measures.

All the best,
Gary

 

[Gary_Sheldrake]

It’s a discussion board. You can include yourself in that group hurt by worrying about others.

Good Evening Catholic13: Good point. I’ll leave you to your business of other people’s business.

All the best,
Gary

 

[Catholic13]

Your argument has been decimated several times. It is irresponsible sexual activity that spreads STDs whether straight or gay. Since you offer no remedy to irresponsible sexual behavior and reject the common sense of risk reduction all that you have left is to complain about gay sex. Do you expect any reasonable person to take you seriously?

How does the fact that gays excel at promiscuity, AIDS and STDs defeat my argument. My argument is that homosexual activity causes harm which it does. Physical, emotional and spiritual harm.

 

[Ositokc]

How does the fact that gays excel at promiscuity, AIDS and STDs defeat my argument. My argument is that homosexual activity causes harm which it does. Physical, emotional and spiritual harm.

Do you really need to ask this?

By simply stating such an uneducated, bigoted, and all out idiotic statement like : “…gays excel at promiscuity, AIDS and STDs…” you have in essence defeated your own
argument, lost all credibility and as mentioned before no one here is taking you seriously.

To imply that somehow one particular group “excels” at such things is derogatory, immature, and most importantly, completely false and easily refuted, as it has been, over and over again, decimated.

Give it up. I will no longer even comment anymore on such a pathetic attempt at trolling.

 

[Catholic13]

Do you really need to ask this?

By simply stating such an uneducated, bigoted, and all out idiotic statement like : “…gays excel at promiscuity, AIDS and STDs…” you have in essence defeated your own
argument, lost all credibility and as mentioned before no one here is taking you seriously.

To imply that somehow one particular group “excels” at such things is derogatory, immature, and most importantly, completely false and easily refuted, as it has been, over and over again, decimated.

Give it up. I will no longer even comment anymore on such a pathetic attempt at trolling.

Are you saying that anyone who speaks out against another’s beliefs or way of life is a bigot?

Hypocrite much?