How can people say homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone

[KendraDZ1902]

Do you understand that I’m **not **saying “homosexual relationships are the only relationships in existence that cause harm to society because of the high number of AIDS cases among gays”

I’m **not **making this argument. So why you keep saying “heterosexual relationships cause disease too” is beyond me. Because it is irrelevant to my argument and it does nothing to refute it. You’re arguing against something I never said. I can’t make this any clearer.

Omg. Are you ill? Can you not read? I said that the same things are being said over and over and it is like beating a dead horse. What’s wrong with you?

 

[KendraDZ1902]

LOL.
I feel like I’m on a merry-go-round reading these.

But I can’t stop reading now, because I’m so…amazed…in that head-bang emoticon kinda way…

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It has been explained so. many. times.
Over and over and over. Omg. Like, I have went cross eyed reading this. Lol.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Omg. Are you ill? Can you not read? I said that the same things are being said over and over and it is like beating a dead horse. What’s wrong with you?

The OP refuted his own argument in his first post when he mentioned all sexual activity outside of marriage increases the likelihood of STDs being spread.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

The OP refuted his own argument in his first post when he mentioned all sexual activity outside of marriage increases the likelihood of STDs being spread.

Shhhh don’t tell the OP that. Lol

They responded to “beating a dead horse” with a rant. I don’t think they can take much more. Lol.

 

[BrassAnkles]

I think you’d agree that it’s not the Church’s stance to tell a young person that having same-sex attraction is “evil”.
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**Wrong. **This has been discussed before as well as the science so it appears to me you reject both. Here is an excerpt from the “LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON THE PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS”

Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.

Nevertheless, increasing numbers of people today, even within the Church, are bringing enormous pressure to bear on the Church* to accept the homosexual condition as though it were not disordered and to condone homosexual activity.** Those within the Church who argue in this fashion often have close ties with those with similar views outside it. These latter groups are guided by a vision opposed to the truth about the human person, which is fully disclosed in the mystery of Christ. They reflect, even if not entirely consciously, a materialistic ideology which denies the transcendent nature of the human person as well as the supernatural vocation of every individual.

The Church’s ministers must ensure that homosexual persons in their care will not be misled by this point of view,** so profoundly opposed to the teaching of the Church.** But the risk is great and there are many who seek to create confusion regarding the Church’s position, and then to use that confusion to their own advantage.*

 

[oldcatholicguy]

**Wrong. **This has been discussed before as well as the science so it appears to me you reject both. Here is an excerpt from the “LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON THE PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS”

Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.

Nevertheless, increasing numbers of people today, even within the Church, are bringing enormous pressure to bear on the Church* to accept the homosexual condition as though it were not disordered and to condone homosexual activity.*** Those within the Church who argue in this fashion often have close ties with those with similar views outside it. These latter groups are guided by a vision opposed to the truth about the human person, which is fully disclosed in the mystery of Christ. They reflect, even if not entirely consciously, a materialistic ideology which denies the transcendent nature of the human person as well as the supernatural vocation of every individual.

The Church’s ministers must ensure that homosexual persons in their care will not be misled by this point of view,** so profoundly opposed to the teaching of the Church.** But the risk is great and there are many who seek to create confusion regarding the Church’s position, and then to use that confusion to their own advantage.

The intrinsic moral evil would be homosexual sexual activity, not being homosexual or having SSA which your above source clearly states isn’t a sin and therefore isn’t evil. The idea that simply being a homosexual or having SSA isn’t a sin and therefore isn’t evil is further supported by the other bolded and enlarged portion of the letter in which it is termed to be a disorder; and this disorder is listed separately from homosexual activity.

The Church’s stance on homosexuality/SSA is that it is a non-sinful disorder.

 

[BrassAnkles]

The Church’s stance on homosexuality/SSA is that it is a non-sinful disorder.

Thank you. I will add per Catholic doctrine that since SSA is a disorder it should not be assumed to be innocuous (as seen in the pastoral letter) and therefore should be removed before reaching Christian perfection (as recommended in the Catechism).

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Thank you. I will add per Catholic doctrine that since SSA is a disorder it should not be assumed to be innocuous (as seen in the pastoral letter) and therefore should be removed before reaching Christian perfection (as recommended in the Catechism).

And what other disorders should be removed prior to reaching Christian perfection? Perhaps the mental disorders (PTSD and depression) I have which also increase the likelihood of me engaging in intrinsically immoral acts (such as attempting to kill myself and or others)?

 

[BrassAnkles]

And what other disorders should be removed prior to reaching Christian perfection? Perhaps the mental disorders (PTSD and depression) I have which also increase the likelihood of me engaging in intrinsically immoral acts (such as attempting to kill myself and or others)?

I once had diabolic thoughts, violent ones, in addition to SSA. I submitted to Christ with no reservations with the agreement that I would not hide any of my sins and would repent frequently and while the temptations remained for some time, I miraculously had the strength to realize these temptations had nothing to do with me because Jesus had shown me my true value in His eyes after all my sins were washed clean. This is the “mechanism” if you will for being relieved of constant to almost constant defiling thoughts.** This is not self esteem**, in fact I have zero self esteem, as that is for children. I have something much better that is not dependent on my knowledge that I am a sinner.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

I once had diabolic thoughts, violent ones, in addition to SSA. I submitted to Christ with no reservations with the agreement that I would not hide any of my sins and would repent frequently and while the temptations remained for some time, I miraculously had the strength to realize these temptations had nothing to do with me because Jesus had shown me my true value in His eyes after all my sins were washed clean. This is the “mechanism” if you will for being relieved of constant to almost constant defiling thoughts.** This is not self esteem**, in fact I have zero self esteem, as that is for children. I have something much better that is not dependent on my knowledge that I am a sinner.

Wow. Did you really pull the “give it to God and it will go away” mess? I can never take you seriously.
I also have never heard this as being Catholic teaching. I have been told numerous times to offer up my suffering from my disorders. Not, give it to Jesus and you will be miraculously healed.

 

[Captain_America]

I heard today on the radio about an Illinois crime, where federal funds going to AIDS prevention advertising were diverted to a person involved with a state agency.

This is a corrupted state, which can’t police itself, and Illinois needs federal oversight for its bureaucracy and its politicians.

This aside, the notion that I, as a taxpayer, have to pay more money in taxes because homosexuals STILL PRACTICE unsafe sex seems very wrong.

The wise homosexual will realize that this urge is a powerful but wrongful one (just as I have wrongful urges I fight), and not try to (laughably) justify and wash it away.

Sounds mean only if you believe the New Psychology about homosexuality, in which black is white, all is one, nothing whatever matters.

There are, it must be admitted, short-term pleasures that cause long-term pain and psychological disfigurement.

 

[BrassAnkles]

Wow. Did you really pull the “give it to God and it will go away” mess? I can never take you seriously.
I also have never heard this as being Catholic teaching. I have been told numerous times to offer up my suffering from my disorders. Not, give it to Jesus and you will be miraculously healed.

Everything I stated is in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which we Catholics formulated. The Catholic Church also believes Jesus Christ can heal people from afflictions from the smallest forms up to demonic possession. As Jesus teaches us faith is required on our part. That effectively means that we cannot trust our emotions nor much less our feelings when we pray for help but rather make a conscious decision to believe in the Word of God. I would say a common reason why people don’t get healed is that defer to their feelings, which tell them believing is bunk, instead of deferring to the Word of God, which is a choice. This action of believing against what all of our emotions and physical being is perfectly displayed by Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Nonetheless, many people have difficulty rejecting their emotions and as such their faith doesn’t grow as it should. God will help them with their cross of course, because He is like that. Jesus also wants us to carry our cross but that does not mean He doesn’t want to help us lift our crosses at some point, otherwise he wouldn’t have spent a large part of His ministry healing. Finally, one cross Jesus want to lift from us are ones that prevent us from having the peace of mind of knowing He truly loves us.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

I once had diabolic thoughts, violent ones, in addition to SSA. I submitted to Christ with no reservations with the agreement that I would not hide any of my sins and would repent frequently and while the temptations remained for some time, I miraculously had the strength to realize these temptations had nothing to do with me because Jesus had shown me my true value in His eyes after all my sins were washed clean. This is the “mechanism” if you will for being relieved of constant to almost constant defiling thoughts.** This is not self esteem**, in fact I have zero self esteem, as that is for children. I have something much better that is not dependent on my knowledge that I am a sinner.

Not an actual answer to my question is it? What other disorders do you feel need to be removed prior to reaching Christian perfection?

As for self-esteem, your above is dripping with it.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Wow. Did you really pull the “give it to God and it will go away” mess? I can never take you seriously.
I also have never heard this as being Catholic teaching. I have been told numerous times to offer up my suffering from my disorders. Not, give it to Jesus and you will be miraculously healed.

Yeah, apparently those of us suffering from physical and/or mental disorders simply have too much pride and won’t let God save us from items that aren’t actually sinful.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Everything I stated is in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which we Catholics formulated. The Catholic Church also believes Jesus Christ can heal people from afflictions from the smallest forms up to demonic possession. As Jesus teaches us faith is required on our part. That effectively means that we cannot trust our emotions nor much less our feelings when we pray for help but rather make a conscious decision to believe in the Word of God. I would say a common reason why people don’t get healed is that defer to their feelings, which tell them believing is bunk, instead of deferring to the Word of God, which is a choice. This action of believing against what all of our emotions and physical being is perfectly displayed by Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Nonetheless, many people have difficulty rejecting their emotions and as such their faith doesn’t grow as it should. God will help them with their cross of course, because He is like that. Jesus also wants us to carry our cross but that does not mean He doesn’t want to help us lift our crosses at some point, otherwise he wouldn’t have spent a large part of His ministry healing. Finally, one cross Jesus want to lift from us are ones that prevent us from having the peace of mind of knowing He truly loves us.

My bipolar disorder is never going to go away. It is manageable, but I will always have it. Suffering happens in this world. It has nothing to do with not having enough faith.
The thread is being derailed by this hog wash. I will no longer discuss it.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Yeah, apparently those of us suffering from physical and/or mental disorders simply have too much pride and won’t let God save us from items that aren’t actually sinful.

Yes, I have been reassured by my priests that my mental illnesses aren’t a punishment, they aren’t sinful, and that God IS with me still.

 

[BrassAnkles]

Yes, I have been reassured by my priests that my mental illnesses aren’t a punishment, they aren’t sinful, and that God IS with me still.

I never stated your mental illnesses are sinful nor much less punishment nor did I state God wasn’t with you, on the contrary.

 

[Catholic13]

**The OP refuted his own argument in his first post when he mentioned all sexual activity outside of marriage increases the likelihood of STDs being spread. **Shhhh don’t tell the OP that. Lol

QUOTE=KendraDZ1902;12580466]Shhhh don’t tell the OP that. Lol

They responded to “beating a dead horse” with a rant. I don’t think they can take much more. Lol.

How does that refute my argument? I’ll be waiting Kendra.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

I never stated your mental illnesses are sinful nor much less punishment nor did I state God wasn’t with you, on the contrary.

Maybe I didn’t make myself clear. I don’t wish to speak to you. Anymore, ever again. You have said very hurtful things and I’m in my mania cycle; which causes aggression, aggravation, rapid thoughts and carelessness. I am trying to hold back saying very cruel things to you. Leave me alone.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

**The OP refuted his own argument in his first post when he mentioned all sexual activity outside of marriage increases the likelihood of STDs being spread. **Shhhh don’t tell the OP that. Lol

QUOTE=KendraDZ1902;12580466]Shhhh don’t tell the OP that. Lol

They responded to “beating a dead horse” with a rant. I don’t think they can take much more. Lol.

How does that refute my argument? I’ll be waiting Kendra.

Um, maybe you should look and see that I didn’t day that. I said that this thread is repetitive and is like beating a dead horse. You should call out the other poster who actually said that you refuted your argument.