How can people say homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone

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SMGS127 said:
It can, but it’s rarely used in this method.

The most common usage of the term “homosexuality” is to refer to the attraction. Occasionally it is used to refer to relationships, which can be sexual but are not necessarily so. It’s fairly rarely used to actually mean sex.

This thread continues to be meaningless though. You are arguing for proportionalism, which is not a Catholic philosophy. The morality of an action does not depend on it having negative effects, nor do negative effects necessarily mean something is immoral (STD transmission within a marriage, for example).
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We need to start with correcting the small logical errors before moving on to the bigger ones.
 
SMGS127 said:
It can, but it’s rarely used in this method.

The most common usage of the term “homosexuality” is to refer to the attraction. Occasionally it is used to refer to relationships, which can be sexual but are not necessarily so. It’s fairly rarely used to actually mean sex.

This thread continues to be meaningless though. You are arguing for proportionalism, which is not a Catholic philosophy. The morality of an action does not depend on it having negative effects, nor do negative effects necessarily mean something is immoral (STD transmission within a marriage, for example).
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You are really instructing me on the usage of the word homosexuality? :confused:

I never even mentioned morality. I asked why gay supporters pretend homosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone?
 
Catholic13 said:
You are really instructing me on the usage of the word homosexuality? :confused:

I never even mentioned morality. I asked why gay supporters pretend homosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone?
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Because it doesn’t. Being attracted to members of the same sex doesn’t hurt anyone. And even if we use your somewhat-absurd definition of homosexuality as “gay sex,” lesbian sex is significantly safer than heterosexual sex. You could easily argue that “heterosexuality” (apparently meaning straight sex) causes harm because it leads to significantly more disease transmission than lesbian sex.

Your teleological argument is ridiculous, contradicts Church teaching, and actually winds up endorsing lesbian marriage.
 
Catholic13 said:
You are really instructing me on the usage of the word homosexuality? :confused:

You are not using the word correctly. You said yourself that:

Catholic13;12581226 said:
* than homosexual acts.]*
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Catholic13 said:
I never even mentioned morality.** I asked why gay supporters pretend homosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone?**
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Because having a sexual attraction does not hurt anyone! Certain sexual acts can hurt people, but not homosexuality.

Lou
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Being attracted to members of the same sex doesn’t hurt anyone.

I never suggested any such nonsense.

**And even if we use your somewhat-absurd definition of homosexuality as “gay sex,” **

Dictionary definition.

**lesbian sex is significantly safer than heterosexual sex. **

Irrelevant.

You could easily argue that “heterosexuality” (apparently meaning straight sex) causes harm because it leads to significantly more disease transmission than lesbian sex.

Irrelevant.
 
Lou2U said:
Catholic13;12581226:
You are really instructing me on the usage of the word homosexuality? :confused:

You are not using the word correctly. You said yourself that:

Because having a sexual attraction does not hurt anyone! Certain sexual acts can hurt people, but not homosexuality.

Lou
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Lou, we just went over the definition of homosexuality. It can also means sex acts.
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oldcatholicguy said:
Not an actual answer to my question is it? What other disorders do you feel need to be removed prior to reaching Christian perfection?

As for self-esteem, your above is dripping with it.
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Homosexuality is one, among others. The Catechism discusses this.

Regarding my “supposed” high self esteem, you are confusing that with the confidence I have in what Jesus told us, as I elaborated in my own words. If you knew me before I followed what Jesus tells us to do regarding healing you would completely understand why I have confidences in Jesus’ words.
 
BrassAnkles said:
Homosexuality is one, among others. The Catechism discusses this.

Regarding my “supposed” high self esteem, you are confusing that with the confidence I have in what Jesus told us, as I elaborated in my own words. If you knew me before I followed what Jesus tells us to do regarding healing you would completely understand why I have confidences in Jesus’ words.
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-What are these others?
-Still seeing a lot of “I/me” statements from someone with supposedly no self-esteem.
 
Catholic13 said:
Being attracted to members of the same sex doesn’t hurt anyone.

I never suggested any such nonsense.
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You said that homosexuality causes disease. Homosexuality is not the same as homosexual acts. Even then, your point can be refuted with the fact that it’s not just homosexual couples who engage in acts such as sodomy.
Catholic13 said:
**And even if we use your somewhat-absurd definition of homosexuality as “gay sex,” **

Dictionary definition.
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By the dictionary definition you provided, homosexuality is:
sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one’s own sex.
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Nowhere in that definition does it say “gay sex”.
Catholic13 said:
**lesbian sex is significantly safer than heterosexual sex. **

Irrelevant.
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Lesbians are homosexuals, so no it is not irrelevant.
Catholic13 said:
You could easily argue that “heterosexuality” (apparently meaning straight sex) causes harm because it leads to significantly more disease transmission than lesbian sex.

Irrelevant.
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No, it isn’t. Like I said above: being a lesbian is being homosexual.

Lou
 
Catholic13 said:
Do you understand that I’m not saying “homosexual relationships are the only relationships in existence that cause harm to society because of the high number of AIDS cases among gays”

I’m not making this argument. So why you keep saying “heterosexual relationships cause disease too” is beyond me. Because it is irrelevant to my argument and it does nothing to refute it. You’re arguing against something I never said. I can’t make this any clearer.

Do you understand this?
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Your argument is similar to
“Talking hurts people”.
“Homosexuals talk”.
“So, homosexuality hurts people”.

You argument is pathetic and you have embarrassed yourself.
 
Rau said:
Your argument is similar to
“Talking hurts people”.
“Homosexuals talk”.
“So, homosexuality hurts people”.

You argument is pathetic and you have embarrassed yourself.
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How does talking physically hurt people? Let me guess…you’re either homosexual or a homosexual supporter, yes?
 
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