How can pro-choice Catholics seriously call themselves practicing Catholics?

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Like I said, I think much of it is to do with really crappy catechesis for a majority of Catholics.
This argument is presented often enough that it seems almost trite. It’s almost like one is saying, “The reason you disagree is because you don’t understand.”
Many of them have had abortions, so they feel they need to defend their ,“choice,”
How many? Are there statistics that show the proportion of Catholic women who’ve had abortions is high as compared to the number of non-Catholic women who’ve had abortions? How many Catholic women have not had abortions?

Again, it’s not a convincing argument.
 
This co worker told me she didn’t like to get into the debate because she didn’t want to upset the pro choicers by verbalizing her position.
I told her “you don’t see them being quiet, why do you have to keep your mouth shut?”
She didn’t have an answer for that.
When I was in high school–in a middle-class-to-affluent community that was solidly Republican–it was practically a litmus test for friendship. It was rarely discussed, but my impression is that nearly all of my friends were pro-choice (they were rabidly liberal in nearly all measures ca. 1985). I would’ve been debated, criticized, etc., if I had said I wasn’t pro-choice. I took the easy way out and never said one way or another. Frankly, I don’t blame myself for it, either.
 
This argument is presented often enough that it seems almost trite. It’s almost like one is saying, “The reason you disagree is because you don’t understand.”
Things could have turned out differently if they were better catechized as children.
 
When I was in high school–in a middle-class-to-affluent community that was solidly Republican–it was practically a litmus test for friendship. It was rarely discussed, but my impression is that nearly all of my friends were pro-choice (they were rabidly liberal in nearly all measures ca. 1985). I would’ve been debated, criticized, etc., if I had said I wasn’t pro-choice. I took the easy way out and never said one way or another. Frankly, I don’t blame myself for it, either.
And you know what? That was one of the tactics used by the pro abortion side—to isolate you and make you think you were the lone crackpot who supports life.
I’ll bet a zillion dollars you weren’t the only pro lifer, they were just bullied into silence.

We’re seeing the same tactics used today with a different issue.
And that’s all I’m going to say about that.
 
Pope and Saint Pius X warned us greatest enemies to Church will come from within
That We make no delay in this matter is rendered necessary especially by the fact that the partisans of error are to be sought not only among the Church’s open enemies; they lie hid, a thing to be deeply deplored and feared, in her very bosom and heart, and are the more mischievous, the less conspicuously they appear.
Nor indeed will he err in accounting them the most pernicious of all the adversaries of the Church. For as We have said, they put their designs for her ruin into operation not from without but from within; hence, the danger is present almost in the very veins and heart of the Church, whose injury is the more certain, the more intimate is their knowledge of her. Moreover they lay the axe not to the branches and shoots, but to the very root, that is, to the faith and its deepest fires. And having struck at this root of immortality, they proceed to disseminate poison through the whole tree, so that there is no part of Catholic truth from which they hold their hand, none that they do not strive to corrupt. Further, none is more skilful, none more astute than they, in the employment of a thousand noxious arts; for they double the parts of rationalist and Catholic, and this so craftily that they easily lead the unwary into error; and since audacity is their chief characteristic, there is no conclusion of any kind from which they shrink or which they do not thrust forward with pertinacity and assurance. To this must be added the fact, which indeed is well calculated to deceive souls, that they lead a life of the greatest activity, of assiduous and ardent application to every branch of learning, and that they possess, as a rule, a reputation for the strictest morality. Finally, and this almost destroys all hope of cure, their very doctrines have given such a bent to their minds, that they disdain all authority and brook no restraint; and relying upon a false conscience, they attempt to ascribe to a love of truth that which is in reality the result of pride and obstinacy.
 
The more I’m seeing with regards to the Pro-Choice reaction to abortion lately (due to Alabama, etc.), the more fervent my Pro-Life stance has become.

The kinds of arguments and assertions I’m seeing (everywhere from social media to news media) is just plain dumb, or just plain disgusting.

The Catholic Church is truly the pillar of truth.

Need we remind the world that it was the Church’s values that effectively ended pagan infanticide?
 
Their founder stated that she was looking for a government to overthrow without going to jail for it, and she found what she wanted in the Catholic Church. :roll_eyes:
 
Polling generally shows that between 40-65% of those that identify as Catholics (ie: not fallen away) support some form of choice, be it rape/incest exceptions or something more. Which isn’t surprising. The stats are even more skewed with support for same sex marriage and birth control. What the RCC teaches and what the Catholic faithful accept are quite often at odds…
True… but those polls typically do not distinguish between Catholics to go to mass every Sunday vs Catholics who go to Mass only a few times a year or almost never.

Most polls consider a “practicing Catholic” to be someone who goes to Mass at least once a month (aka 12 times per year).

The vast majority of Catholics who attend mass every Sunday & Holy Day of Obligation believes abortion is murder. I don’t have the % numbers, but it’s true.
 
Easy-peasy.

Pro-life views have a positive correlation with frequency of church attendance.

Abortion views are [closely intertwined with religion], and that is seen within both parties just as it is among the public at large. The percentage of Republicans who are pro-life is 38 points higher among those who seldom or never attend church or another place of worship compared with those who attend weekly, 46% vs. 84%. A nearly identical gap in pro-choice support is seen among Democrats between non-churchgoers and regular attendees, 77% vs. 40%.
 
Polling generally shows that between 40-65% of those that identify as Catholics (ie: not fallen away) support some form of choice, be it rape/incest exceptions or something more. Which isn’t surprising. The stats are even more skewed with support for same sex marriage and birth control. What the RCC teaches and what the Catholic faithful accept are quite often at odds…
That’s a huge reach to assume that people who identify as Catholics automatically means they are not fallen away.
 
Polling generally shows that between 40-65% of those that identify as Catholics (ie: not fallen away) support some form of choice, be it rape/incest exceptions or something more. Which isn’t surprising. The stats are even more skewed with support for same sex marriage and birth control. What the RCC teaches and what the Catholic faithful accept are quite often at odds…
Yeah?
So what?

A sinful act is still sinful even if nobody wants to believe it.

I keep seeing this “X number of Catholics reject this”, “X number of Catholics reject that” as if it makes a difference in the rightness or wrongness of a thing.
Just because Catholics believe wrongly or act wrongly makes no difference to the rightness or wrongness of the thing.
I find myself confessing the same things over and over in the confessional. Just because I screw up repeatedly doesn’t make my sins “less sinful”.

And here’s the other thing—are people actually any more happy and satisfied now that they reject classical Christian morality?
Last I checked, anxiety, depression and addictions are on the rise.
 
Your last sentence is 100% accurate. And the CDC is telling people that there is an STD epidemic in the US. Turning back to God is possible, right now. He is there for all reading.
 
This argument is presented often enough that it seems almost trite. It’s almost like one is saying, “The reason you disagree is because you don’t understand.”

Not quite what I meant, but I can see how you would think that.

As I said, it’s simply my opinion after speaking with people who really have had lousy catechesis, and after taking the same journey on abortion myself.

I’m sure there are those who looked at abortion and remained pro choice. I don’t agree with them at all, but I don’t deny there existence.

But I’ve seen enough who haven’t thought about it much and who are reflexively pro choice to know that it’s been a real, significant experience for me.
 
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It boggles the mind. Worse, how can any priest or bishop support a pro-abortion politician?
 
The Church tells priests and bishops to not support any particular candidate. The point is to not elect pro-abortion anybody, regardless of party.
 
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