How can pro-choice Catholics seriously call themselves practicing Catholics?

[VanitasVanitatum]

It’s more that voting for policies that will end poverty will end abortion.

 

[Gingersnaps4]

Yes, I agree. Killing the babies of poor people is definitely not the right answer.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

Now keep in mind this is not a black and white issue.

It’s pretty black and white for the voiceless little one about to be killed.

 

[Benjinho]

LateCatholic:

You are simplifying the issue. The pro-life position is based upon a fallacious foundation, specifically that we live in a fair and good world and any abortion is an injustice. This is simply not true. Look at the facts. The most successful way to end poverty in any society is to allow abortion. It’ actually not even close. Forcing a woman to raise and take care of a child she cannot afford to not only ruins her life but the life of the child, increasing crime, disease, poverty.

Well of COURSE killing poor people in the womb lessens the amount of poor people being born, and thus poverty. From a moral standpoint that’s the worst argument for abortion, ever.

Sounds like an argument made by this guy

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[Moose]

Quite wrong - actually incontrovertibly wrong. Never is there a choice.
Murder is wrong always - regardless of extraneous circumstances or anecdotal conflictions.
You are to be lauded for your efforts to prevent, but there is never a choice that a woman may make to be complicit in murder - without appropriate societal/ theological reverberations.

This world has insisted that the profane infect the innocent. Your acceptance of a woman’s “choice” is proof.

 

[PeterT]

Joining the Roman Catholic church this past Easter, I was aware that some Catholics don’t agree with the church 100% on every single issue, but I assumed that prolife would be a unifying issue for people who believe themselves to practice Catholicism.

I’ve learned that some of these people are actually pro-Choice…I understand if you’re lapsed, but this seems pretty unbelievable for active parishioners.

Honestly, I simply do not understand nor can comprehend — not just based on our Catholic faith — but simply on secular science, basic human biology, how ANYONE (be it a Christian, Moslem, Jew, Hindu and especially atheists) cannot understand that human life begins at the fertilization of the human egg by the human sperm and FROM THAT POINT FORWARD it’s a new human life and that killing a fetus is killing a living human being. For me, this denial of basic scientific FACT in the 21st Century is simply mind boggling.

 

[Sbee0]

When Catholics say this I don’t think they understand pro-choice. Being pro-choice doesn’t mean you would have an abortion, or even recommend one. Many pro-choice people do everything they can to help women NOT have abortions. I am pro-choice (to a degree) and - not trying to blow my own horn - have done more to help woman not have abortions than any Catholic I know, most of which don’t really care at all about pregnant women.

Pro-choice means you believe a woman has the right, up to a certain point, of deciding for HERSELF, what she wants to do with her body. It is not YOUR right to force her to do anything. Our job is to give her enough choice so that she WANTS to keep the child. My personal opinion is that approach to pro-choice is far more moral and ethical than what is preached and enforced by the conservative Catholic wing.

Now keep in mind this is not a black and white issue.

Clearly you haven’t stepped out of your left wing Democrat bubble enough to know what Catholics or most other pro lifers on this issue believe.

Also Government does not always know the best way to do things. In fact most of the time they don’t.

 

[Annie]

The most successful way to end poverty in any society is to allow abortion. It’ actually not even close.

Abortion has been legal in the US for 55+ years. Poverty rose slightly then leveled off at around the time of Roe v Wade.

It does not seem that abortion has done much to reduce poverty in the US.

 

[BornInMarch]

When I learn that there are Catholics who support legal abortion, it brings Luke 23:34 to mind.

And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

 

[LateCatholic]

The answer is…wait for it…
chastity before marriage. And that, requires living the way God wants human beings to live.

Yet another silly, useless, and ineffective solution that will just get people angry and not solve anything.

 

[LateCatholic]

Well of COURSE killing poor people in the womb lessens the amount of poor people being born, and thus poverty. From a moral standpoint that’s the worst argument for abortion, ever.

It’s not an argument for abortion. It is a realization that declaring abortion illegal won’t solve anything. Stop pretending you live in a perfect world. Declarations such as “wait until marriage” or “abstinence only” won’t solve the problem. “Pro-life” isn’t a solution.

 

[LateCatholic]

Murder is wrong always - regardless of extraneous circumstances or anecdotal conflictions.
You are to be lauded for your efforts to prevent, but there is never a choice that a woman may make to be complicit in murder - without appropriate societal/ theological reverberations.

Sure, murder is always wrong. Yet, according to scholars, God has murdered 37 million people. Is torturing a child always “wrong”? Abraham didn’t think so. Is celebrating the murder of children “always wrong”? What do you think Passover is?

The above is not meant to offend anyone (I’m sure it may have). The point is that if you attempt to simplify a very complex issue (“Abortion is murder”), you aren’t seeing the entire picture. And you won’t solve the problem. In fact, you may make things worse.

 

[Thorolfr]

My point is that the targeting of poor black women is wrong.

Not everything that is happening in our country is part of a conspiracy of some sort orchestrated by Marxists or feminists or some other group out there that suddenly appeared in the 1960s. I doubt that the placement of these clinics is part of a racist conspiracy.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

What do you think Passover is?

Celebrating the angel not killing their children. That’s literally why it is called Passover. Abraham didn’t torture Isaac either amd it was likely that he was old enough to fend off Abraham and cooperated.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

Pro-life” isn’t a solution.

There’s more to it than wait for marriage.

 

[pnewton]

The above is not meant to offend anyone (I’m sure it may have).

You have one of the more interesting posts on this thread. While I believe in outlawing abortion, based on protection of the innocent, there is a need in the pro-life community to understand the question asked by the OP, it it was asked in sincerity. There can be no addressing of the issue unless it is understood well enough to defend the opposition. If this is not done, we will continue to be divided and abortion will remain nothing but a political football kicked back and forth between Democrats (who support it because they do not see it for what it is) and Republicans (who oppose it being legal without understanding why the opposition supports it).

 

[prayerrider]

So chastity is

silly, useless, and ineffective

?

I pray you learn more about the Catholic faith.

 

[prayerrider]

So chastity is

“silly, useless, and ineffective
?”

I pray you learn about the Catholic faith. Not to mention fundamental biology.

 

[phil19034]

edwest211:

My point is that the targeting of poor black women is wrong.

Not everything that is happening in our country is part of a conspiracy of some sort orchestrated by Marxists or feminists or some other group out there that suddenly appeared in the 1960s. I doubt that the placement of these clinics is part of a racist conspiracy.

Correct, there is no conspiracy.

The Pro Abortion crowd (Planned Parenthood execs, NARAL, etc) literally believe that MORE abortions will reduce poverty and reduce pollution.

You have some FAR LEFT whackos preaching that the Human Population needs to be reduced from approx 7 Billion to 1 billion. These crazies are literally calling for the reduction of 6 billion people.

And THESE PEOPLE really do exist - and what’s scary is that radicals like these are starting to get elected to office

 

[AlNg]

I’ve learned that some of these people are actually pro-Choice…I understand if you’re lapsed, but this seems pretty unbelievable for active parishioners.

I read a recent poll of Catholics who had graduated from a Catholic college. The question was whether or not Roe v Wade should be repealed. A majority said No.