How can Protestants be forgiven for sins? (Please, any adivce appreciated)

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***** I’m posting this in the “Non-Catholic Religions” forum because I’m currently an Episcopalian, but I went to a Catholic high school and primarily follow Catholic moral teachings. I will probably convert to Catholicism at some point in the future after I’ve graduated from college.**

While riding the train home from work today, I suddenly remembered a bad (but not sexual or obviously blasphemous) thought I’d had several months ago. At the time I had this thought, I knew that I shouldn’t be thinking that, but at the time it didn’t seem like a “big deal”. (It definitely felt like a venial sin). So I lived the next several months without feeling much guilt over this particular thought.

In hindsight, however, I realize having this particular thought was probably a grave matter (it was a pretty aweful thought),and I did consent to having the thought, so I’m pretty sure it was a mortal sin.

Since realizing this was a mortal sin about five hours ago, I’ve had this incessant feeling of extreme guilt, to the point where thinking coherently or performing my normal tasks has become difficult. At one point I even crumpled to my bedroom floor and started crying in a ball. I’ve tried praying several Our Father’s and Hail Mary’s (about ten of each), but I still just feel completely disgusted with myself.

And the worst part is, up until this afternoon I was feeling more connected to/at peace with God than I had for awhile. It’s pretty discouraging to have all that inner peace suddenly shattered for something that is, in some sense, out of my control (since past actions are out of our control after they’ve occurred).

But since I’m not a Catholic, I can’t necessarily solve this by going to Confession. *(The Episcopal Church does believe in the sacrament of Confession *but doesn’t view it as mandatory and doesn’t regularly offer it).

Thank you for any advice!

Alison
Re: the highlighted text. What does that say to you?

Re: mortal sin,

1 Jn 5: 14 And this is the confidence which we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of him. 16 If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God**(“1 John 5 RSVCE - Faith Conquers the World - Every one - Bible Gateway”)] will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal."

If one can pray and non mortal sin(venial sin) is forgiven, but not so for mortal sin, then what is one to do to get rid of mortal sin?

That is why Jesus established the sacrament of reconciliation.

I have to say, that sacrament requires a validly ordained priest.
 
***** I’m posting this in the “Non-Catholic Religions” forum because I’m currently an Episcopalian, but I went to a Catholic high school and primarily follow Catholic moral teachings. I will probably convert to Catholicism at some point in the future after I’ve graduated from college.**

While riding the train home from work today, I suddenly remembered a bad (but not sexual or obviously blasphemous) thought I’d had several months ago. At the time I had this thought, I knew that I shouldn’t be thinking that, but at the time it didn’t seem like a “big deal”. (It definitely felt like a venial sin). So I lived the next several months without feeling much guilt over this particular thought.

In hindsight, however, I realize having this particular thought was probably a grave matter (it was a pretty aweful thought),and I did consent to having the thought, so I’m pretty sure it was a mortal sin.

Since realizing this was a mortal sin about five hours ago, I’ve had this incessant feeling of extreme guilt, to the point where thinking coherently or performing my normal tasks has become difficult. At one point I even crumpled to my bedroom floor and started crying in a ball. I’ve tried praying several Our Father’s and Hail Mary’s (about ten of each), but I still just feel completely disgusted with myself.

And the worst part is, up until this afternoon I was feeling more connected to/at peace with God than I had for awhile. It’s pretty discouraging to have all that inner peace suddenly shattered for something that is, in some sense, out of my control (since past actions are out of our control after they’ve occurred).

But since I’m not a Catholic, I can’t necessarily solve this by going to Confession. (The Episcopal Church does believe in the sacrament of Confession but doesn’t view it as mandatory and doesn’t regularly offer it).

Thank you for any advice!

Alison
Re: mortal sin,

1 Jn 5: 14 And this is the confidence which we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of him. 16 If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God**(“1 John 5 RSVCE - Faith Conquers the World - Every one - Bible Gateway”)] will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal."

If one can pray and non mortal sin(venial sin) is forgiven, but not so for mortal sin, then what is one to do to get rid of mortal sin?

That is why Jesus established the sacrament of reconciliation. John 20:22-23]

And to your point, that sacrament requires a validly ordained priest to forgive sins.

Has anyone invited you to look into coming home to the Catholic Church?
 
Make an appointment with your priest and make your Confession. 🙂
Because Episcopalians are not validly ordained, Confession to an Episcopalian minister would not result in forgiveness. The best thing to do is to make an Act of Perfect Contrition.
 
***** I’m posting this in the “Non-Catholic Religions” forum because I’m currently an Episcopalian, but I went to a Catholic high school and primarily follow Catholic moral teachings. I will probably convert to Catholicism at some point in the future after I’ve graduated from college.**

While riding the train home from work today, I suddenly remembered a bad (but not sexual or obviously blasphemous) thought I’d had several months ago. At the time I had this thought, I knew that I shouldn’t be thinking that, but at the time it didn’t seem like a “big deal”. (It definitely felt like a venial sin). So I lived the next several months without feeling much guilt over this particular thought.

In hindsight, however, I realize having this particular thought was probably a grave matter (it was a pretty aweful thought),and I did consent to having the thought, so I’m pretty sure it was a mortal sin.

Since realizing this was a mortal sin about five hours ago, I’ve had this incessant feeling of extreme guilt, to the point where thinking coherently or performing my normal tasks has become difficult. At one point I even crumpled to my bedroom floor and started crying in a ball. I’ve tried praying several Our Father’s and Hail Mary’s (about ten of each), but I still just feel completely disgusted with myself.

And the worst part is, up until this afternoon I was feeling more connected to/at peace with God than I had for awhile. It’s pretty discouraging to have all that inner peace suddenly shattered for something that is, in some sense, out of my control (since past actions are out of our control after they’ve occurred).

But since I’m not a Catholic, I can’t necessarily solve this by going to Confession. (The Episcopal Church does believe in the sacrament of Confession but doesn’t view it as mandatory and doesn’t regularly offer it).

Thank you for any advice!

Alison
God knows each one of us through and through. He knows our hearts. He knows the roads we have traveled. He is not bound - but we are. If we know something to be true but do not act upon it, we will be held accountable. If we do not know, God judges us on His terms with His mercy.

No human can possibly know the culpability of another person. We pray for all. A prayer given to us at Fatima is the prayer I pray every day for my loved ones, who, for what ever reason do not or can not accept the Catholic Church.

“Oh God: I believe, I adore, I hope and I love you. I ask mercy for those who do not believe, do not adore, do not hope and do not love you.”

Why would our Blessed Mother give us that prayer if it can not be answered with mercy?

I neither presume God’s Mercy nor presume God’s judgement. But I trust in His Love, His Mercy and in His Justice.
 
Hello steve b
You may want to check the translation of 1st. John 5:14. There is no Greek manuscript with such a rendering as to use the word mortal. “If anyone sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal.”
The Apostle John recognized no such distinction in sin except that the fact that some sins lead to death while other sins do not. The idea of mortal sin v’s venial sin was introduced to Rome centuries after the framers of our faith lived and died. But it has no root in the inspired scriptures or in the book of Romans. All of the Apostles taught that all sin was mortal and deadly. The idea of a venial sin is outside of the Apostolic circle of ideas. The Apostle Paul only said, “For the wages of sin is death! … but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23. The contrast in Paul’s writings from that of John’s is only a contrast between DEATH / LIFE

But here’s the good news for both Protestant and Catholic and all universal Christians. 1st John answers the question given. How can Protestants be forgiven for sin? The Apostle John answers, while under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, by saying “If we confess our sins, (not to the Episcopalian Priest) but to GOD, (He) is faithful to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. “ 1st. John 1:9

This is great news for all of us! Our God is faithful to forgive all sin.
 
Hello steve b
You may want to check the translation of 1st. John 5:14. There is no Greek manuscript with such a rendering as to use the word mortal. “If anyone sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal.”
The Apostle John recognized no such distinction in sin except that the fact that some sins lead to death while other sins do not. The idea of mortal sin v’s venial sin was introduced to Rome centuries after the framers of our faith lived and died. But it has no root in the inspired scriptures or in the book of Romans.
Thanks for the opportunity to explain this. The context is #38**, **&1 John 5:16

1 Jn 5:16 If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal θάνατον ] sin, he will ask, and God**(“1 John 5 RSVCE - Faith Conquers the World - Every one - Bible Gateway”)] will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal θάνατον ]. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal θάνατον ].

θάνατον , is from the Greek study bible

Look at the descriptions for that word on the right side of the page… Strongs does use mortal in the description.

John makes a clear distinction between types of sin. That which is deadly and that which is not.

If you don’t want to use mortal, then don’t. But Mortal is perfectly acceptable to describe deadly sin… Mortal and deadly are synonymous. merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mortal
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tgGodsway:
All of the Apostles taught that all sin was mortal and deadly.
Everybody dies in the flesh, no matter the sin they commit. John however, is making a distinction between sin that kills grace in the soul (spiritual death) and sin that does NOT cause spiritual death. Venial is an acceptable term to use of non mortal. thefreedictionary.com/venial+sin

mortal and venial are acceptable terms to differentiate sin.
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tgGodsway:
The idea of a venial sin is outside of the Apostolic circle of ideas. The Apostle Paul only said, “For the wages of sin is death! … but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23. ***The contrast in Paul’s writings from that of John’s is only a contrast between DEATH / LIFE ***
Paul specifically identifies sin that prevents one from inheriting heaven. John however, doesn’t in his letter, specifically identify what sin is mortal and what sin is NOT. Just that there is a distinction between sin that causes death spiritually and sin that does NOT.
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tgGodsway:
But here’s the good news for both Protestant and Catholic and all universal Christians. 1st John answers the question given. How can Protestants be forgiven for sin? The Apostle John answers, while under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, by saying “If we confess our sins, (not to the Episcopalian Priest) but to GOD, (He) is faithful to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. “ 1st. John 1:9
John clarifies his point 5 chapters later. Take another look at what precedes 1 Jn 5:16 above.

" 1 Jn 5:14 *And this is the confidence which we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. ** 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of him."

Everything is good so far right? Pray to God for forgiveness, no problem

However John continues
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16 If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God**(“1 John 5 RSVCE - Faith Conquers the World - Every one - Bible Gateway”)] will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal."

See the distinction? John doesn’t recommend praying for the forgiveness of mortal sin. Non mortal sin is fine to pray for. But he says not for mortal sin. WHY NOT? Why the Change? Why the distinction?

I won’t give you the answer to that one yet. I want to see what you say to THAT.
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tgGodsway:
This is great news for all of us! Our God is faithful to forgive all sin.
The question is, do we do it His way, or do we disobey Him and do it our way. Which way do you think works?
 
I don’t think you are right that a thought can’t be a mortal sin. The Sermon on the Mount seems to teach otherwise, and I’m quite sure that Catholic moral theology historically agrees with me.

But I think your intent in counseling the OP is right. As I understand it, a thought is only a mortal sin if you deliberately dwell on it after you realize it’s an evil thought.
I don’t see how a thought could be a mortal sin. A mortal sin takes action. In the case of avoiding positive action…a mortal sin is possible.

Anyone can have an evil thought. To act on it is the mortal sin.
 
I don’t see how a thought could be a mortal sin. A mortal sin takes action. In the case of avoiding positive action…a mortal sin is possible.

Anyone can have an evil thought. To act on it is the mortal sin.
Answer by Colin B. Donovan, STL on 4/10/2008: Matthew 5:27-28 "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. A thought or imagination is not by itself sinful. However, if some sinful idea comes into our minds and we embrace it with our will - meaning you would like to do it, then it is the same category of sin (mortal or venial) as the sin if done externally. Thus, it is a mortal sin of fornication or adultery to want to have immoral sexual relations, and a second mortal sin to actually have them. This is one of the reasons why pornography is so evil. It drags people into lusting after a member of the opposite sex or same sex (a mortal sin), and then often leads to external sexual sins of masturbation, fornication, adultery, homosexuality, rape etc…
On the other hand, if such thoughts or suggestions arise in our mind unwanted, and we resist and fight them, we grow in virtue.
 
Because Episcopalians are not validly ordained, Confession to an Episcopalian minister would not result in forgiveness. The best thing to do is to make an Act of Perfect Contrition.
That, of course, would be the Catholic view.

Jon
 
That, of course, would be the Catholic view.

Jon
Yes, and since the Catholic Church contains the fullness of Truth, the Catholic Chuch is right on this as well as in all matters of faith and morals.
 
Yes, and since the Catholic Church contains the fullness of Truth, the Catholic Chuch is right on this as well as in all matters of faith and morals.
That would be the RC view, yes. And as such, all faithful RCs should affirm it.
 
Yes, and since the Catholic Church contains the fullness of Truth, the Catholic Chuch is right on this as well as in all matters of faith and morals.
True,

other points to make as well,

one who is baptized, who then obstinately denies some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; is in heresy. That is from the CCC 2089

I mention that only because, for the one in heresy, It’s no light matter for THEM. Paul gave Bp Titus the following direction.

[Titus 3:10 (Titus 3:10 RSVCE - As for a man who is factious, after - Bible Gateway)
"As for a man who is factious ( [α (http://bibleapps.com/greek/141.htm)**ἱρετικ**ν** heretic ),** after admonishing him once or twice, have nothing more to do with him, 11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sinful; he is self-condemned."

Just a comment here.

Factious is the English translation in that passage. But that’s not all it means

I mention this only because, (Protestantism in all it’s forms over 500 years) is one of histories great heresies, catholic.com/tract/the-great-heresies

iow, putting this together,
That’s Protestantism.

I say all this because of the topic of the thread

For a Protestant to be forgiven of their sins and the sins mentioned are whoppers! … What’s required?
  • being sorry for one’s sins
  • Mortal sins however John doesn’t recommend prayer for forgiveness. 1 John 5:16 ] The sins mentioned above are clearly mortal sins, because of the consequence for them. Condemnation
  • resolve to not go back to them. IOW, intent to change. IOW stop the protest, return home to the Catholic Church.
Can a Protestant then remain a good Protestant and no worries? Isn’t that like saying one can remain in heresy and no worries?.
 
For a Protestant to be forgiven of their sins and the sins mentioned are whoppers! … What’s required?
  • being sorry for one’s sins
  • Mortal sins however John doesn’t recommend prayer for forgiveness. 1 John 5:16 ] The sins mentioned above are clearly mortal sins, because of the consequence for them. Condemnation
  • resolve to not go back to them. IOW, intent to change. IOW stop the protest, return home to the Catholic Church.
Can a Protestant then remain a good Protestant and no worries? Isn’t that like saying one can remain in heresy and no worries?.
You don’t recommend praying for the forgiveness of those who reject your Church? I pray all of the time for those who are outside of my Church. I pray for my Muslims constantly for the sin they’re living in without knowing it.

I don’t understand this interpretation, can you please clear it up for me?

Jesus Himself said “Forgive them Father for they know not what they do” even though they had probably committed the greatest sin ever known to man.
 
You don’t recommend praying for the forgiveness of those who reject your Church? I pray all of the time for those who are outside of my Church. I pray for my Muslims constantly for the sin they’re living in without knowing it.
That wasn’t John’s point.

John is talking about Mortal sins vs non mortal sins and how to get rid of each of them on your soul. John doesn’t recommend prayer for forgiveness of mortal sin. 1 John 5:16 ]
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dronald:
I don’t understand this interpretation, can you please clear it up for me?

Jesus Himself said “Forgive them Father for they know not what they do” even though they had probably committed the greatest sin ever known to man.
Thanks for asking. BTW, all the links I include, and internal links of links are operational as well. e.g. #[24 (https://forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14804336&postcount=24)

Re: mortal sin

When Jesus was asked, is it true only a few are saved?

Probably referring to

Matthew 7:13-14 ,

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy,[a] that leads to destruction, ἀπώλεια, ] and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Then Jesus is asked that question,

Luke 13:23-28 ,
23 And some one said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, 24 “Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the householder has risen up and shut the door, you will begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us.’ He will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 *But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from; depart from me, all you workers of iniquity!’ *28 There you will weep and gnash your teeth,

Jesus, the one who will judge all souls, is telling us in advance what will happen to humanity.

Jesus knowing in advance what He is going to go through, and all humanity will go through, from beginning to end, answers the question. And says Only a few make it to heaven.

Note:
  • Jesus didn’t deny the questioner’s point. He didn’t correct the questioner. Jesus actually validated the point, and expanded on it.
  • Mortal sin on one’s soul at death will prevent them from going to heaven
e.g.

to stress the points again, in the area of my post you don’t include, Re: (Division, dissension, heresy, schism, sedition, etc. [διχοστασίας (http://bibleapps.com/greek/1370.htm)] form the Church i.e. the Catholic Church, #[24 (https://forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14804336&postcount=24) ] that has always been condemned from the beginning. IOW those who do it won’t inherit the kingdom of God. (From Rom 16:17 & Gal 5:19 AND Galatians 5:21, shows the consequences for “dissension / division”. One won’t inherit heaven. :eek:

THAT consequence (won’t inherit heaven) indicates the sins mentioned are mortal sins.

So how does one get forgiven for a sin (particularly a mortal sin) if they remain in it, and won’t correct the sin they say they are sorry for but won’t leave it?

Here’s another point

Q:
What does Jesus mean by “workers of iniquity”? ἀδικίας. ]

Here’s one example of serious wrong, in God’s eyes.

This is not mentioned in my previous post you responded to.

Deliberately missing mass (the Eucharist) on Sunday. Look at the consequences for THAT action

#[25 (https://forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14642757&postcount=25)
 
That wasn’t John’s point.

John is talking about Mortal sins vs non mortal sins and how to get rid of each of them on your soul. John doesn’t recommend prayer for forgiveness of mortal sin. 1 John 5:16 ]
God does not want us to pray for those caught in certain sins like adultery? God doesn’t want us to pray for their forgiveness for that?
Thanks for asking. BTW, all the links I include, and internal links of links are operational as well. e.g. #[24 (https://forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14804336&postcount=24)

Re: mortal sin

When Jesus was asked, is it true only a few are saved?

Probably referring to

Matthew 7:13-14 ,

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy,[a] that leads to destruction, ἀπώλεια, ] and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Then Jesus is asked that question,

Luke 13:23-28 ,
23 And some one said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, 24 “Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the householder has risen up and shut the door, you will begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us.’ He will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from; depart from me, all you workers of iniquity!’ 28 There you will weep and gnash your teeth,

Jesus, the one who will judge all souls, is telling us in advance what will happen to humanity.

Jesus knowing in advance what He is going to go through, and all humanity will go through, from beginning to end, answers the question. And says Only a few make it to heaven.

Note:
  • Jesus didn’t deny the questioner’s point. He didn’t correct the questioner. Jesus actually validated the point, and expanded on it.
  • Mortal sin on one’s soul at death will prevent them from going to heaven
Note how Jesus changes the word “Strive” to “seek” when speaking of the difference of those who will enter the Kingdom versus those who will not be able to enter through the narrow door. You’re right that Jesus affirmed the mans position that those who are saved will be few; but is Jesus saying those who strive to enter the kingdom will be cast out? No, rather those who strive will succeed and many who seek will fail.

There’s a perfect sermon on the Matthew passage here by Paul Washer I think even Catholics here will like it.

youtube.com/watch?v=3wX_BPopbKI
 
to stress the points again, in the area of my post you don’t include, Re: (Division, dissension, heresy, schism, sedition, etc. διχοστασίας] form the Church i.e. the Catholic Church, #24 ] that has always been condemned from the beginning. IOW those who do it won’t inherit the kingdom of God. (From Rom 16:17 & Gal 5:19 AND Galatians 5:21, shows the consequences for “dissension / division”. One won’t inherit heaven. :eek:

THAT consequence (won’t inherit heaven) indicates the sins mentioned are mortal sins.

So how does one get forgiven for a sin (particularly a mortal sin) if they remain in it, and won’t correct the sin they say they are sorry for but won’t leave it?

Here’s another point

Q:
What does Jesus mean by “workers of iniquity”? ἀδικίας. ]

Here’s one example of serious wrong, in God’s eyes.

This is not mentioned in my previous post you responded to.

Deliberately missing mass (the Eucharist) on Sunday. Look at the consequences for THAT action

#25
I think you’d like me to comment on post 24 so I’ll touch on that a bit:

Indeed you explained where the word “Catholic” comes from. No doubt the Coptic Church considers themselves “Catholic” as does the other Orthodox Church’s and even Evangelical and Lutheran Church’s by the strictest meaning of the word. So I don’t know how exactly you can state that somehow Rome must be the best example of which Church is truly “Catholic.” Though I assume it can be found in your end point:
The same Church Pope Francis is over today, 266th successor to St Peter.
I am interested in some of your interpretations of some Bible passages, I was thinking of making a post about it:

1 Timothy 1:4 nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship

Also the bolded:

1 Corinthians 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. 11 For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. 12 What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. 16 (I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize but to** preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.**

2 And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. 2 **For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. **…

3 :18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,” 20 and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” 21** So let no one boast in men. **For all things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or **Cephas **or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s.

What do you think of all of this in relation to your statement?
 
Because Episcopalians are not validly ordained, Confession to an Episcopalian minister would not result in forgiveness. The best thing to do is to make an Act of Perfect Contrition.
That’s a perfectly valid point of view if one is a Roman Catholic. Episcopalians, on the other hand, are apparently quite comfortable with the validity of their ordinations and their own claims to Apostolic Succession episcopalchurch.org/library/glossary/apostolic-succession.
 
God does not want us to pray for those caught in certain sins like adultery? God doesn’t want us to pray for their forgiveness for that?
John is saying, forgiveness of mortal sin is best forgiven another way. Not by prayer and those are Not my words, but John’s words 1 John 5:16 ] . John was there when God instituted the sacrament of reconciliation Here ** In Context** ] . That link shows, Any sin, mortal as well, are forgiven

One then knows their mortal sin is forgiven when confessing their sins to a validly ordained priest in His Church, and by receiving absolution in the sacrament that Jesus established.

Protestants aren’t in His Church. Protestants can’t just walk off the street and confess to a Catholic priest, unless in close proximity to death
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dronald:
Note how Jesus changes the word “Strive” to “seek” when speaking of the difference of those who will enter the Kingdom versus those who will not be able to enter through the narrow door. You’re right that Jesus affirmed the mans position that those who are saved will be few; but is Jesus saying those who strive to enter the kingdom will be cast out? No, rather those who strive will succeed and many who seek will fail.

There’s a perfect sermon on the Matthew passage here by Paul Washer I think even Catholics here will like it.

youtube.com/watch?v=3wX_BPopbKI
dronald,

“strive” certainly explains the difficulty of the narrow road. The point is, Jesus is telling us in advance, only a few are on that road.

Meaning the rest of humanity insists on doing things their way instead of God’s way… so for their disobedience, off they go to hell.
 
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