How can the Vatican say that Muslims worship the same God as we do?

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In another thread it was said that the Vatican says that Muslims worship the same God as we do.

I really don’t understand how they can make a statement like that. A Mosque isn’t a church. An imam isn’t a Priest. And Allah sure as hell isn’t God. Also has any Muslim prayed the rosary? So much for a devotion to Our Lady.

Just because Islam is a monotheistic faith like ours is DOESN’T mean that we worship the same God.

I don’t know how Muslims regard Abraham but even if they regard him like we do doesn’t mean we worship the same God.
 
The three Abrahamic religions are Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. All stem from Abraham, and the God of Abraham is the God we all worship. Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet and that Mary was a virgin when He was conceived and born. We do worship the same God, we all just have different understandings of Him.
 
Actually, Fr. Bruce, the Pastor at our church, told me recently that Islam is considered by some to be a heresy of Catholicism. There’s a relationship between the religions, although I daresay we would want to stay far away from those who have more recently perverted Islam to suit their own ends.

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Many Catholics seem shocked that Vatican II would say that they respect those who are Muslim, because they worship the same God. I think it is important to realize this is not something new.

**Pope St. Gregory VII *(d. AD 1085), writing to the Muslim King Anazir, the pope affirmed that there is an "affection we and you owe to each." Why? "…because we worship and confess the same God **though in diverse forms and daily praise and adore him as the creator and ruler of this world…This grace granted to you by God is admired and praised by many of the Roman nobility who have learned from us of your benevolence and high qualities…how highly they regard your prudence and high character and how greatly they desire and are able to be of service to you." *(St. Gregory VII, letter XXI to Anzir (Nacir), King of Mauritania (Pl. 148, col. 450f.)].

We are called by St. Peter to “honor all men” (1 Pet 2:17). How are we to honor infidels, apostates, heretics, and schismatics? As Pope St. Gregory VII affirms, we do so insofar as they affirm what is true and do what is good, not because of what they assert which is false. Truth and goodness can only come from God. That’s what St. Gregory meant when he told the Muslim King Anazir that his “*good action was inspired in your heart by God…He who lighteth every man that cometh into the world enlightened your mind in this purpose.” *(ibid.).

Such affirmation of truth and goodness, even by Muslims, demand high esteem and respect, as St. Gregory affirmed, “*the same respect which we desire always to show toward you.” *(ibid.)

What Vatican II does NOT teach, nor did St. Gregory teach above that such non-Christian worship is sufficient for attaining everlasting life.
 
I definitely remember being taught in school that Mohamed heard an apostolic successor (i guess a bishop or early priest) speak, and he took the gist of that message back home.

He was a man of charity, as the tradition for multiple wives stems from the fact that instead of letting women be killed, he took them as wives in order to protect them from a death sentence.

It is actually a tenet of Muslim faith that Mary was a Virgin who gave birth, and Mary is the only woman mentioned by name in the Koran.

The radical, crazy Muslims running around trying to kill us are very similar to the “God Fearing” KKK of the mid 20th century. Both’s religious and political views were and are so skewed and blinded by hatred, that they lost sight of any real true message that their religion that they profess actually teaches.
 
BioCatholic said:
…He was a man of charity…
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Didn’t Mohammed have a 120-yr-old man assasinated because he didn’t like the things that old man wrote about him? I don’t agree that he was a “man of charity.”
 
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He was a man of charity, as the tradition for multiple wives stems from the fact that instead of letting women be killed, he took them as wives in order to protect them from a death sentence.  

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He was a pedophile who married an 8 year old girl who was hardly under any death sentence! As for him being a man of charity—:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :nope: :nope:
 
allah is the moon god of the religion of animism a pagan religion. definitely not the God of christians or jews.
 
No. ‘Allah’ means ‘God’ in Arabic the same way Dio means ‘God’ in Spanish, and Christian Arabic speakers also say ‘Allah.’ ‘ilah’ is the word for ‘god’ and ‘Al-lah’ refers to the ‘One God.’

For that matter, ‘God’ is ‘Alaha’ in Aramaic (and also ‘ilah’ when referring to just ‘god’) as in the Biblical language, still spoken by some today.
 
Allah was/is the Babylonian Moon God. In the original Koran, he was not the one and only God anyway, he had companions hence the combination in the flags of many Muslim countries of the Moon and Star! Inside the black stone that Muslims walk round (like the pagans that preceded them) is carved the old pagan moon god symbols. Shaving the head and growing the beard is a pagan custom. The list goes on…
Most importantly, Allah is “the chief of deceivers”. In other words, the Father of Lies or Satan himself.
 
This is really a matter of linguistics, not faith. After all, ‘Deus’ comes from ‘deva’ or ‘dewa’ as seen in many Indo-European root languages (Sanskrit, Persian and so forth) root languages.

And those of us from European cultures have no shortage of ancient pagan symbols and traditions. Most likely, Yahweh was originally a tribal pantheon-style god too.

Edit: the Hebrew '‘el’ also means ‘God,’ and is closely related to the Babylonian, Aramaic and Arabic words. All are Semitic languages.
 
It’s interesting that you feel you have to defend Islam despite on your profile claiming to be an agnostic. Do you deny that many many pagan practices of Saudi Arabia were adopted by Mohammed?
 
I have and will defend followers of any faith or lack thereof, including Catholicism, from injustice and uncharity if I am able. And I assure you, I am agnostic.

And I neither know nor care whether or not any old pagan practices were incorporated into Islam. Such traditions were also incorporated into Christianity, and that’s historically common practice when any faith is getting rolling.
 
Mirdath said:
I have and will defend followers of any faith or lack thereof, including Catholicism, from injustice and uncharity if I am able.

And I neither know nor care whether or not any old pagan practices were incorporated into Islam. Such traditions were also incorporated into Christianity, and that’s historically common practice when any faith is getting rolling.
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so for all that bluster you really don’t know if Allah is the moon god or not?:rotfl:
but you still feel qualified to make grand statements:thumbsup:
splendid!
 
I simply don’t care. Nor do I care whether Yahweh was the war god of another group of nomads.

I made no grand statement; I merely answered your question.
 
childofmary1143 said:
In another thread it was said that the Vatican says that Muslims worship the same God as we do.

I really don’t understand how they can make a statement like that. A Mosque isn’t a church. An imam isn’t a Priest. And Allah sure as hell isn’t God. Also has any Muslim prayed the rosary? So much for a devotion to Our Lady.

Just because Islam is a monotheistic faith like ours is DOESN’T mean that we worship the same God.

I don’t know how Muslims regard Abraham but even if they regard him like we do doesn’t mean we worship the same God./QUOTE

So, you are saying that there are two Gods of whom Christians and Jews worship one and Muslims worship the other?
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itsjustdave1988 said:
Didn’t Mohammed have a 120-yr-old man assasinated because he didn’t like the things that old man wrote about him? I don’t agree that he was a “man of charity.”
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Didn’t King David, the ancestor of our Lord, have a man killed because he slept with the man’s wife?
 
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