How can we ever apologise for the Holocaust?

[Sixtus]

Ani ibi

The Jewish state, Israel, came into existence more than 1300 years before the birth of Jesus Christ and 2000 years before Islam existed.

 

[Shoshana]

Is it true that that the ‘palestinians’, the jews and the christians all got along prior to the jews taking israel? Just a question…don’t shoot me…

 

[anthony022071]

If I lived in England during the holocost and I wanted it to end … what could I do to stop it? It took the destruction of Nazi Germany to stop it. Any lesser attempt would have been a suicide run and a waste of life.

Right now I know full well that a larger holocost is happening in the abortion clinics. I could go and take down a few abortionist tommorow before I get shot by the Police. Is this a good or holy act? How can I be forgiven for not stopping abortion… how can I ever appologise?

The entire infrastructure of abortion needs to be defeated just like Nazi Germany was.

-D

Darrel,where did you get that quote by Cardinal Ratzinger?

 

[drifting_away]

Is it true that that the ‘palestinians’, the jews and the christians all got along prior to the jews taking israel? Just a question…don’t shoot me…

I’ve heard this is true. The whole thing over there is a total mess, but I don’t think you can just lay blame on the Jews. The Palestinians are pretty messed up. You have to admit that in all the years that Jews were oppressed, they didn’t turn into common criminals and didn’t allow the oppression to strip them of their human dignity the way the Palestinians have done to themselves. The Jews never sent their young people to blow up their enemies and themselves. That is a sign of a serious total breakdown of society.

 

[Nino]

How indeed…I found that the NYTImes published some 39 articles detailing the Vaticans outrage at the Nazis treatment of Jews and others…from 1939 to 1945…I found that the left wing naitonal socialist party of germany was comprised of misfits, haters and losers who hated Jesus and His church the most for it brought dignity to the human race and also hated the Jews for they brought conscience to the world! The average folks of Europe had no say at all in any real national policies…as we here in America have so little say…after all some 46 million abortions, porn on the internet,child abuse,no-win wars, a hollywood gone mad with glorifying all thats evil…what influence do we have…some of us cant even get our letters published in establishment publications…so the old saw…‘we are all to blame…’ is insulting…read ‘A Vatican LIfeline,44’ by Major William Simpson…he worked in the underground during this time…in Rome.he a protestant…I knew this great man…

 

[Lepanto]

We don’t have to apologize for the holocaust. The Nazis do.

And may I remind you that countless Catholics also perished in the concentration camps? Priests and religious were especially targeted.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Nino:

I found that the NYTImes published some 39 articles detailing the Vaticans outrage at the Nazis treatment of Jews and others…from 1939 to 1945…

 

[Valke2]

Is it true that that the ‘palestinians’, the jews and the christians all got along prior to the jews taking israel? Just a question…don’t shoot me…

no.

 

[geezerbob]

I was born in 1939 and was not quite six years old when the war ended. I had nothing to do with the holocaust or the society into which I was born, so what, pray tell, do I have to apologize for?

 

[estesbob]

I was born in 1939 and was not quite six years old when the war ended. I had nothing to do with the holocaust or the society into which I was born, so what, pray tell, do I have to apologize for?

It appears in todays day and age people are very anxious to apologize for things theor forefather did but very reluctant to apologize for what they did.

 

[seekerz]

It appears in todays day and age people are very anxious to apologize for things theor forefather did but very reluctant to apologize for what they did.

You are so right. I know a particular institution that celebrates Black History Month with great pomp but turns a blind eye in the worst kinds of discrimination (religious, racial, cultural…you name it) which goes on within it’s very halls. Seems like as long as they can rail about past injustices, they can quiet their consciences enough to allow perpetration of more insidious present ones.

 

[Shoshana]

You are so right. I know a particular institution that celebrates Black History Month with great pomp but turns a blind eye in the worst kinds of discrimination (religious, racial, cultural…you name it) which goes on within it’s very halls. Seems like as long as they can rail about past injustices, they can quiet their consciences enough to allow perpetration of more insidious present ones.

Would that also apply to the jews?

 

[estesbob]

Would that also apply to the jews?

Which Jews? All Jews?

 

[seekerz]

Would that also apply to the jews?

I think it can apply to all mankind. We never like to admit wrongdoing but have no problem pointing it out in others.

 

[CCM08]

I fail to see why the Israel issue is such a sticking point for Christians. I say we look at the Jews themselves to see if Israel is really a worth while venture, let alone worth so much death and violence.

Do the majority of the world’s Jews live in Israel?
No, they don’t.

Does a signficiant minority of Jews live in Israel?
No, Israel represents a fairly small part of the world’s Jewish popualtion.

Are many Jews flocking to move to Israel?
Quite the opposite, 10 Jews leave Israel for every one that moves in. Obviously Jews feel quite safe in the west. When combine with the fact that Israel has no real industry or resources there is little, if anything, to draw Jews there.

If we look at the modern state of Israel’s forefathers we see nothing but secular Zionists. Men like Mecham Bergan, who’s terrorist gang saw absolutely no moral problems with cooperating with Adolf Hitler. Here’s the bottom line, the Jews (forced or otherwise) abandoned that chunk of real estate almost 2,000 years ago. It exists solely because several western powers decided they had some guilt in the holocaust, making Adolf Hitler the founder of Israel. Not exactly a promising start for a nation. The state of Israel has engaged in violence, that while more techincally advanced, is no different from what Muslim terrorists have done. Enforce an ethnic apartheid, do nothing to check the rampant human trafficking, among other human rights abuses. The reason is simple, Zionism is Nazism for Jews, it’s every bit as ugly as Islam in its most extreme forms.

 

[drifting_away]

I fail to see why the Israel issue is such a sticking point for Christians. I say we look at the Jews themselves to see if Israel is really a worth while venture, let alone worth so much death and violence.

Do the majority of the world’s Jews live in Israel?
No, they don’t.

Does a signficiant minority of Jews live in Israel?
No, Israel represents a fairly small part of the world’s Jewish popualtion.

Are many Jews flocking to move to Israel?
Quite the opposite, 10 Jews leave Israel for every one that moves in. Obviously Jews feel quite safe in the west. When combine with the fact that Israel has no real industry or resources there is little, if anything, to draw Jews there.

If we look at the modern state of Israel’s forefathers we see nothing but secular Zionists. Men like Mecham Bergan, who’s terrorist gang saw absolutely no moral problems with cooperating with Adolf Hitler. Here’s the bottom line, the Jews (forced or otherwise) abandoned that chunk of real estate almost 2,000 years ago. It exists solely because several western powers decided they had some guilt in the holocaust, making Adolf Hitler the founder of Israel. Not exactly a promising start for a nation. The state of Israel has engaged in violence, that while more techincally advanced, is no different from what Muslim terrorists have done. Enforce an ethnic apartheid, do nothing to check the rampant human trafficking, among other human rights abuses. The reason is simple, Zionism is Nazism for Jews, it’s every bit as ugly as Islam in its most extreme forms.

You’ve got to get kidding? You are comparing Jewish migration to Israel to Nazism? You are so out of line. The Jews do care and educate Palestinians who are open to it. They treat them in their hospitals. The Arabs are the ones who turned things nasty there. Read the book Exodus for a good history of the Jews. No the Jews are not saints, but they aren’t Nazis. If they were, why is the Arab population growing faster than the Jewish population there?

People throw out that Nazi accusation rather cavalierly I think. The Nazis systematically exterminated 12 million people in gas chambers and were responsible for starting a war that took 50 million lives, including 20 million Russians alone.

 

[chosen_people]

there have been a few politicians that think we, the USA, fought on the wrong side during the WW2. I guess with my German background I think the bigger threat in the world at that time was atheist Communism considering “National Socialism wasn’t for export.” Maybe for the time in 1941 we should have smashed the Russians, since by that time they already wiped out more than 50 million people, then turned our focus to Hitler. Let’s not forget, however, that in 1933, later abandoned by WW2, the 3rd Reich and the Zionists worked out ‘The Trasfer Agreement’ to send the Jews to Palestine. The Zionists, at one time or another, could have saved Jewish lives but, for their reasons, didn’t want to.
just my two cents.

Palestine was under the British mandate and limited and prevented Jews immigration to Palestine under the white paper therefore sentencing millions of Jews to their deaths. The United States and Canada with the help of Catholic hate radio also closed their borders. Later during the war the allied powers refused to send a single bomber to knock out the railway lines to Aushuwitz even though they had full knowledge of the mass exterminations against the Jews carried out there and even though bomber overflew the area on their way to other missions.

The Jewish Yishuv of Palestine not only worked tirelessly to smuggle Jews into Palestine despite British efforts but also sent Jews behind Nazi lines in order to try and give assistance to others (see Hannah Senesh and others).

I guess that was about a nickels worth.

 

[Valke2]

I fail to see why the Israel issue is such a sticking point for Christians. I say we look at the Jews themselves to see if Israel is really a worth while venture, let alone worth so much death and violence.

Do the majority of the world’s Jews live in Israel?
No, they don’t.

Does a signficiant minority of Jews live in Israel?
No, Israel represents a fairly small part of the world’s Jewish popualtion.

Are many Jews flocking to move to Israel?
Quite the opposite, 10 Jews leave Israel for every one that moves in. Obviously Jews feel quite safe in the west. When combine with the fact that Israel has no real industry or resources there is little, if anything, to draw Jews there.

If we look at the modern state of Israel’s forefathers we see nothing but secular Zionists. Men like Mecham Bergan, who’s terrorist gang saw absolutely no moral problems with cooperating with Adolf Hitler. Here’s the bottom line, the Jews (forced or otherwise) abandoned that chunk of real estate almost 2,000 years ago. It exists solely because several western powers decided they had some guilt in the holocaust, making Adolf Hitler the founder of Israel. Not exactly a promising start for a nation. The state of Israel has engaged in violence, that while more techincally advanced, is no different from what Muslim terrorists have done. Enforce an ethnic apartheid, do nothing to check the rampant human trafficking, among other human rights abuses. The reason is simple, Zionism is Nazism for Jews, it’s every bit as ugly as Islam in its most extreme forms.

Israel represents approx. half of the world’s jewish population. That is not “a fairly small part…” To equate Zionism with Nazism is one of the worse sorts of anti-semetism. You can lable this whining if you choose, but such a statement is disgusting, untrue, unfair, but not unexpected.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

To equate Zionism with Nazism is one of the worse sorts of anti-semetism.

It originated at the UN Conference on Human Rights in Durban which was no more than a well planned attack on Israel’s right to nationhood with Elders of Zion booklets been handed out in the lobby.

I can’t find the link right now but will look for it today although I will be busy until evening. However I remember Canada and I believe Australia withdrew, submitting scathing criticisms of the offending Resolution.

 

[BelFarfalla]

Palestine was under the British mandate and limited and prevented Jews immigration to Palestine under the white paper therefore sentencing millions of Jews to their deaths. The United States and Canada with the help of Catholic hate radio also closed their borders.

Since when has the US government, run by protestants who were grossly anti-Catholic, ever set policy based on anything Catholic?
During WWII, the Catholic Church saved more Jews from the Holocaust then any other group working to that end… More then the red cross, more then all other Christian religious organization put together. They are attributed with having saved around 800,000 jews for certain death. During WWII the Catholic Church spent millions (if not billions) of its own money to hide, house and feed thousands of Jews. They provided fake baptismal papers, fake religious orders papers, etc to Jews who were then smuggled out of Europe at the expense of the Catholic Church.
There was no Catholic anti Jewish hate radio, not during WWII and not ever. It’s unbelievable that while the Catholic Church fought to save Jews at the expense of its own people, the church is not made a villain.