How Can We Know We Experience God?

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This thread is not intended for atheists and agnostics, since they have no experience of God and therefore cannot be said to have any material contribution to answer the thread other than to deny that God can be experienced at all, and perhaps to suggest that those who say they experience God are delusional.

So I ask this question mainly to Catholics and other Christians who have experienced God in one way or another. If God is supremely beyond our grasping until we are privileged with a Beatific Vision, how can we know that we know him. In short, what most convinces you that the God you experience is the true God?

chnetwork.org/story/why_i_am_a_catholic/

This could be a very short or a very long thread?
 
I don’t have anything to add. I’m only posting because you said I couldn’t…
 
This thread is not intended for atheists and agnostics, since they have no experience of God and therefore cannot be said to have any material contribution to answer the thread other than to deny that God can be experienced at all, and perhaps to suggest that those who say they experience God are delusional.

So I ask this question mainly to Catholics and other Christians who have experienced God in one way or another. If God is supremely beyond our grasping until we are privileged with a Beatific Vision, how can we know that we know him. In short, what most convinces you that the God you experience is the true God?

chnetwork.org/story/why_i_am_a_catholic/

This could be a very short or a very long thread?
I have been having extensive spiritual experience which I believe they are not hallucination since they are consistent. I have experienced extensive type of beings non of them was Catholic God who knows everything including foreknowledge. You can simply ask such a God about what you are going to decide and do contrary therefore a God with foreknowledge does not exist. I had two glimpse of beatific vision where I decided to stop experience them further because I felt that I am going to die. Beings just could simply exist for a reason that we will never know!
 
I’ve never thought about “experiencing” God.
I believe.
I know in my heart.
I profess the reality of God.

Do I experience Him? What? :confused:

I experience goodness of God through others, gifts from God, wonder through the beauty of the earth, miracles such as birth, profound joy through Eucharist…
 
I’ve been fortunate to experience God numerous times. We as Catholics and Christians KNOW God is LOVE! NO individual can claim to be experiencing God IF one is experiencing hate or anger.

When I’ve experienced God I felt enveloped by LOVE!
 
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I recommend Henri de Lubac’s The Discovery of God.
 
184 “Faith is a foretaste of the knowledge that will make us blessed in the life to come” (St. Thomas Aquinas. Comp. theol. 1, 2).

So faith is a supernatural gift, a relatively dim foretaste of what’s to come, but a real taste nonetheless.
"For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." 1 Cor 13:12

And yet, God can and does also grant direct, powerful foretastes of this vision that we cannot obtain on our own, at His discretion and for His purposes.
 
I think this an exclunsionary and judgmental concept…that agnostics an atheist can not or do not experience God. Says who? First and foremost they have been and are creations of God. That one or the other does not recognize or “feel” an experience of and with God does not prove that they have not felt His touch. We can not get into the heart, minds of others let alone their souls. Prove your point, if you will. Peace
 
I’ve never thought about “experiencing” God.
I believe.
I know in my heart.
I profess the reality of God.

Do I experience Him? What? :confused:

I experience goodness of God through others, gifts from God, wonder through the beauty of the earth, miracles such as birth, profound joy through Eucharist…
Amen.
 
When I was a little kid, my grandmother took me to see a movie about an orphan boy who lived with some monks. Exploring the attic, he found a wounded man to whom he would bring bread and wine. When he took the monks to help the man, he found him to be no longer there, just some old stuff that included a. very large crucifix, a man of stone. As the story progresses, the boy gets sick and before he dies, one of the monks follows him and finds the risen Christ tending to him.

Now I can’t attest to the accurancy of my recollection as it pertains to the movie, but analyzing the memory, a few points stand out:
  • the role of grace in religious experience. It’s not something we produce, but rather it is given us.
  • what is truly real, intimately experienced, turns to stone in the mirror of those who can’t connect to its truth. Some of us do this to ourselves, having introjected the worldly cynical and skeptical views with which we have been inculcated, and go on to project onto others.
  • God approaches us to heal our wounds
  • in giving Jesus bread and wine, the boy received His body and blood. The cure for what ultimately ails us is Love.
Another memory, my earliest, involves my going up a mountain, walking maybe, but carried by members of my family. It is Easter time and my birthday. They happen around the same time occasionally. At any rate, it is a great festival, lots of joy and happiness. When we get to the top we have lunch, which consists of hard-boiled eggs, brilliant white and yellow. My wife and I were discussing memories at some point, and she asked me of what my earliest memory consisted. I honestly had to tell her that I believe it to be of my conception. Maybe it is of my death; maybe both.

Speaking of my wife, she respected my intellect and knowledge base. Not long before her death, (She was sick for what seemed to be and would continue to go on forever.) she asked me in those moments of darkness, waiting for sleep to come, “What is a soul?” Putting on my professorial hat, I spoke at length about things such as the self, being, heaven and the Supreme Being. As I spoke, it became ever clearer that whatever I said, could not reach the reality of this soul before me. The intellectual construct, as coherent and internally consistent as it might be, seemed beside the point of the shear presence of this person who whispered, “That’s nice dear.” as she drifted into sleep. Already familiar with scripture, from there I immersed myself deeper in its contemplation.
 
It’s reasonable to believe that things are as they appear to be unless and until one has good reason to think otherwise. So, if it appears that YHWH (or whomever) is present, then it’s reasonable to believe he is unless and until one has good reason to think otherwise. Note, mere questions such as “is this really YHWH?” do not constitute good reason to think it is not. Nor does the inability to answer such questions with little else than “it seems so.”
 
When I was a little kid, my grandmother took me to see a movie about an orphan boy who lived with some monks. Exploring the attic, he found a wounded man to whom he would bring bread and wine. When he took the monks to help the man, he found him to be no longer there, just some old stuff that included a. very large crucifix, a man of stone. As the story progresses, the boy gets sick and before he dies, one of the monks follows him and finds the risen Christ tending to him.

Now I can’t attest to the accurancy of my recollection as it pertains to the movie, but analyzing the memory, a few points stand out:
  • the role of grace in religious experience. It’s not something we produce, but rather it is given us.
  • what is truly real, intimately experienced, turns to stone in the mirror of those who can’t connect to its truth. Some of us do this to ourselves, having introjected the worldly cynical and skeptical views with which we have been inculcated, and go on to project onto others.
  • God approaches us to heal our wounds
  • in giving Jesus bread and wine, the boy received His body and blood. The cure for what ultimately ails us is Love.
Sounds like the Spanish movie Marcelino Pan y Vino 1955, released in English as The Miracle of Marcelino (trailer here), and remade a few times, the latest from Mexico 2010 (trailer here).

(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
spainisculture.com/en/peliculas/marcelino_pan_y_vino.html
 
Because we do not experience God directly (do not see him face-to-face) it does not follow that God is far away. Because God is Being itself, and we are being, God is very near each of us as the spray of a fountain is near its source. God’s nearness is like our very breathing which is constant, yet of which we are hardly aware but when we hold our breath. Sin is like that holding of the breath that is followed by gasping for God as one might gasp for one’s very life. It is the devil that would stop our breath entirely that we might die in him rather than in God.

Even those who deny God have to go out of their way to deny a presence they fear might be real. They have good reason to fear God’s reality, since he haunts them day and night. Even with God many things do not make sense, but we have to suppose everything makes sense to God.
 
Because we do not experience God directly (do not see him face-to-face) it does not follow that God is far away. Because God is Being itself, and we are being, God is very near each of us as the spray of a fountain is near its source. God’s nearness is like our very breathing which is constant, yet of which we are hardly aware but when we hold our breath. Sin is like that holding of the breath that is followed by gasping for God as one might gasp for one’s very life. It is the devil that would stop our breath entirely that we might die in him rather than in God.

Even those who deny God have to go out of their way to deny a presence they fear might be real. They have good reason to fear God’s reality, since he haunts them day and night. Even with God many things do not make sense, but we have to suppose everything makes sense to God.
I used to be a hard believer some many years ago, I just figured out that this feeling of “faith” is just connecting to “self” in combination to what we were programmed to believe that some confuse with the supernaturals but it’s perfectly natural.

I don’t deny what I fear it might be real, I’m highly convinced, no doubt ever, that all the gods we worship and their religions were man made.
If some of us speak of God(s) and religions, it’s because they are almost everywhere, controlling everything and many other times making evil in the name of these religions and gods, it’s also because we appreciate education and truth and we enjoy debates in philosophy and in many times religion can be a fun tool with all it’s harshness and untruth, so that is an additional reason 😃
 
I used to be a hard believer some many years ago, I just figured out that this feeling of “faith” is just connecting to “self” in combination to what we were programmed to believe that some confuse with the supernaturals but it’s perfectly natural.
I used to think the way you do now. I have come full circle back to faith. When I came back I knew I was the better person than I had been, so there was something supernatural rather than natural about coming back to faith. The proof was in my pudding. 🤷

I believe there is a special Devil whose assignment is to program us to believe there is no God … nor even a devil. 🤷
 
I used to think the way you do now. I have come full circle back to faith. When I came back I knew I was the better person than I had been, so there was something supernatural rather than natural about coming back to faith. The proof was in my pudding. 🤷
I wasn’t religious then I become one, I used to think that I was an atheist before becoming religious, when in fact I was not, until I became truly an atheist (a disbeliever in religions and gods, for "reasons"that I can no longer unsee.
I don’t think any actual atheist who realized the truth about religions will ever become a religious again, some things cannot be unseen, I’m open to the possibility towards possible creators, but not the personal ones that humanity worship, for several reasons.
If you were not religious, that doesn’t make you an atheist or whatever you call the person who got awaken to that truth about gods and religions.
If you were a God hater or angry at God, that doesn’t make you an atheist.

Which category you were?
 
I wasn’t religious then I become one, I used to think that I was an atheist before becoming religious, when in fact I was not, until I became truly an atheist (a disbeliever in religions and gods, for "reasons"that I can no longer unsee.
I don’t think any actual atheist who realized the truth about religions will ever become a religious again, some things cannot be unseen, I’m open to the possibility towards possible creators, but not the personal ones that humanity worship, for several reasons.
If you were not religious, that doesn’t make you an atheist or whatever you call the person who got awaken to that truth about gods and religions.
If you were a God hater or angry at God, that doesn’t make you an atheist.

Which category you were?
At one time or another, I tried every version of atheism there is to try. Futile.

If atheism did not bring a sense of worth to my living, God did.

I expect that might well be why suicide is more common among atheists than believers.

Camus and Sartre confronted that reality. Camus wrote a whole book on atheism and suicide. Sartre finally gave in and converted before he died. Maybe Pascal got to him, as he gets to a lot of atheists who cannot rid themselves of the haunting presence of God.

In his book *Modern Man in Search of a Soul * the psychoanalyst Jung writes: "During the past thirty years, people from all the civilized countries of the earth have consulted me. I have treated many hundreds of patients, the larger number being Protestants, a small number of Jews, and not more than five or six believing Catholics. Among all my patients in the second half of life – there has not been one whose problem in the last resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life. It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because he had lost that which the living religions of every age have given to their followers, and none of them has been really healed who did not regain his religious outlook.”
 
I became truly an atheist (a disbeliever in religions and gods, for "reasons"that I can no longer unsee.
Right now I understand why you can say that.

Returning to faith is an admission that what you thought was true in atheism really was not.

Don’t give up on God. God never gives up on you. 🤷
 
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