how Catholic women feel about no ordination of women

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Are you also against female lawyers, doctors, CEOs, Presidents, etc.? Because I find that people who tend to be most adverse to womenpriests tend to support traditional gender roles.
No, as I prefer female doctors and have a wonderful one I see yearly. (Well, dentist and eye doctor I have no choice…but for lady health issues, I did)

If Jesus wanted female priests, his MOTHER would have been at the last supper.
 
As a married man, I will respond on behalf of my wife:

The priesthood should be open to women.

The only statement she adds to that is that the Church would be run better.
Your wife needs to walk into a parish office anywhere in the United States, then she will see who “runs” the Church.🙂
 
I’m with the other ladies here.

I think some women see their own femininity as inferior to men’s masculinity, rather than simply different. And many of them think of priesthood as a sort of “status symbol” or “power” from which they are excluded. Also, some of the arguments diminish the role of His female followers–including His Mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary! Because she was not an Apostle, somehow she’s less important? Of course not! But if they’d only follow their own logic to its conclusion… they’d see that’s exactly what they’re saying!

I’m happy as a woman. I see my womanhood as a gift, not a curse. I love my “feminine genius.” I don’t need to be treated the same as men to be treated as equal in value. Too many people confuse the two.

Most of the arguments in favor of “women priests” are simply misunderstandings about what the priesthood is, and/or what it means to be a man or a woman. Some of the arguments can be pretty insulting to women. So now we’ve got people who are supposed to be “feminists” who are promoting ideas that women are inferior by virtue of being female. And some of the arguments imply that God is weak, unable to change hearts, etc.

Being a priest is not just a “job” or a “career choice,” it’s a special calling from God. God doesn’t call men to motherhood. God doesn’t even call all women to (biological) motherhood. God doesn’t call all men to ordination, either… so why should I be offended that He doesn’t call me to be a priest (as if God “owes” me anything at all)? 🤷
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The problem is that Catholics are called to obey their ecclesial superiors, i.e. the ordained ministry, who are all men. Therefore, all women are called to obey some men, even cardinals have to obey the pope, who is a man.

If there was a class of women in the church who we had to obey (aside of course from our mothers) the playing field would be more equal.

But as it stands today, in a practical sense, men are the ones telling us what to do from a hierarchical standpoint. Priests are not heirarchically bound to obey any woman, but women can be bound to obey a man.
As Catholics we are called to obey the legitimate authority of the Church (that authority given to the Church by our Lord Jesus Christ), in matters of faith and morals.

Our Blessed Mother, (God’s revenge on Satan) tells us “Do whatever he tells you” (her Son, our Lord).

Women are given a unique place in the Church, I can see it all around me.

Peace in Jesus and Mary,

Dorothy
 
The problem is that Catholics are called to obey their ecclesial superiors, i.e. the ordained ministry, who are all men. Therefore, all women are called to obey some men, even cardinals have to obey the pope, who is a man.
Popes resign, and bishops and priests get transferred. But parishes, for the most part, remain and are run by women.
 
The problem is that Catholics are called to obey their ecclesial superiors, i.e. the ordained ministry, who are all men. Therefore, all women are called to obey some men, even cardinals have to obey the pope, who is a man.

If there was a class of women in the church who we had to obey (aside of course from our mothers) the playing field would be more equal.

But as it stands today, in a practical sense, men are the ones telling us what to do from a hierarchical standpoint. Priests are not heirarchically bound to obey any woman, but women can be bound to obey a man.
And ALL are called to obey Christ. 🤷

I really think the problem is that human beings don’t like to obey anyone. We don’t like being told what to do… even when it’s what is best for us!
 
Are you also against female lawyers, doctors, CEOs, Presidents, etc.? Because I find that people who tend to be most adverse to womenpriests tend to support traditional gender roles.
The priesthood is a calling from God. That’s what makes it different than the secular professions that you list. By the way, conservative Catholics aren’t against females doing other things. The only reason why we are against the idea of females trying to be ordained is because it goes against the will of God. Jesus said that if we reject what the Church teaches then it’s the same as rejecting him (Luke 10:16). Ordination has turned out to be like the forbidden fruit.

Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree of the garden’?”
  • Genesis 3:1
 
I don’t usually chime in once a thread has gone on more than a couple of pages, as I figure that by then, everything has probably been said. In this case, I think I have a slightly different way of seeing this.

As a man, I’ve never had a problem with the idea of women priests, and I can see sensible arguments for it. There are also reasons people object to it.

In Acts of the Apostles, we are told how there were arguments on both sides about requiring Gentile converts to be circumcised. The question was therefore put before Peter, who settled it definitively. (Acts 15)

After Vatican II gave us the Novus Ordo, some anticipated other changes in the Church. While women priests had not been an option since the Church began, some thought that might be changing as an old tradition. In some cases, women were spending years of there lives building preparing themselves to become priests one day.

Pope St. John Paul II decided in 1994 that the time had come to settle the question once and for all, so he did so with the apostolic letter “Ordinatio Sacerdotalis.” He wrote:
Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.
Jesus does not want his Church perpetually arguing about things like this. Therefore, he gave the Church clear leadership so that such matters may be settled as needed and that we may move forward as brothers and sisters in Christ.

I would not have been upset if the late Holy Father had decided the other way, but I will trust that the Holy Spirit is guiding the Church on matters so central to the faith as the priesthood.
 
If this is in the wrong forum, a moderator can feel free to move it. I was watching videos of “women priests” celebrating the “Mass” and most of the negative comments were in fact from men. (I also saw a video where a female “bishop” said that 70% of Catholics support the ordination of women, and that in Persona Christi actually means in the presence of Christ.) I have wondered for a while how Catholic women actually feel about this issue? Is it a hard teaching to accept?
I think this issue dilutes the larger issue that we are all called to the “priesthood”. Celebrating Mass is only a portion of the ministry of a priest. We are called just like the priest to minister to others. Each of us has our unique role which fulfills the will of God. Instead of worrying about what we cant do we should focus more on what we are called to do.
 
I will chime in… though being a male, am only seeing this from my point of view.

Women have a very important role in the Church. Very powerful, ground floor role. I have seen some wonderful Women groups in our Parish who pray for those who are trying to have a baby, pregnant, etc. I think our two business admins at the Parish are women, as well as our very talented Music Director, one of the DRE leaders, the Principal of the school, and several other leadership positions.

While I believe men to be Priests, women are so important to the Catholic Church as well in many other ways.
 
The disagreement with the Church on this is based on a lack of faith.

That’s why the ones who want female priests always try to draw a comparison to secular professions.

They want the Church to be evangelized by the world instead of the other way around.
 
Being a Catholic man married to a Baptist woman that studied Theology to become a female pastor I guess my opinion might sound a bit contrived.

I believe in what Mother Church teaches through Faith in Christ and in the Holy Spirit, and the fact that I call Mother Church a Mother is also part of the argument.

I would not be able to defend my wife if she wanted to become an ordained priest, as that would be impossible, but I do understand where she is coming from in terms of what she believes she has to offer in her Ecclesial Community. She is a person that wants to help people to get to know the love of Christ and His Mercy. She also would like to teach people on what she has learned from studying Theology.
As a member of the Focolare Movement I am already accustomed to learning many things about Theology from Women, so this is not particularly dramatic, but in the Focolare Movement Chiara never wanted to become a priest. There might be issues with the fact that in most Parishes women might not be given proper space to bring their gifts, whichever they may be, but on the other hand I also don’t understand women/men when they say that women do not get “power” or “teaching” or “leading” positions when the most powerful role that transforms each and every one of us is our mother.

It’s such a superfluous thing that needs to be said but mothers are the most powerful group in the world, they’re just not organized as a single group with the same interests, but that doesn’t change their power.
From Atheists when discussing Religion as an accident of Geography (me being born in Portugal being the reason for me being a Catholic), to spousal abuse (being more common in children who experienced it in childhood), to so many other factors… most of who we are comes from what we learned from our own mother (and father, but because most of what we learn comes from early childhood and mothers are still more likely to spend time with children than fathers…). Women pretty much choose who they have children with. Men may try to woo women, but in most of the cases it is the woman that will choose if the partner is suitable or not (I had more than one girlfriend).

The charge of sexism, even if benevolent might be also obscuring the fact that some people just cannot acknowledge that there are differences between women and men. Of course there are outliers about everything… not all women are emotional, and not all men are insensitive jerks… but most are. 😃 (can I get a break?)
And to deny that I have to learn how to express emotional language with more words than good and bad is to deny the obvious differences between me and my wife.
There are issues in the world with how emotions and what are called typical female traits are discussed. I am the first to say mea culpa. But we are born in a broken world… and we do need God. So to call Mother Church a Mother is also to admit that as my Mother She is following the Divine inspiration of Jesus as the bridegroom, which dies for the Church, and the Church as His bride, that submits to His Will.

It might sound horrible to our broken ears, broken logic, but pride is also the first of sins… and I am also the first to admit that I am prideful. I am prideful when I look at the difference of how much I earn and what my wife earns, I am prideful when I think that I work more hours than my wife… and on and on… that does not make it any less true that I have to love her the same way Christ loved His Church… to the death.

A lot of people seem to attribute “feelings” with a kind of brokenness in our world. It sure sounds like it from the way people compare emotion (as something bad) and fact ( as something good), but the truth is that God also created our emotions and they serve a purpose in His design. Maybe if some women are not feeling well about the fact that there is no ordination in the Catholic Church it might hide a deeper hurt or lack of love from the part of the Church that they themselves or the Church are not aware of. It certainly seems like in a lot of Catholic parishes emotional growth is completely ignored.

Anyways…
I don’t think the current discourse is very helpful.
God bless,
D.
 
There are probably many layers to this story. Notice that the women were openly weeping at the foot of the cross (along with John), and going to prepare the body, thus fulling their religious duties, but the rest of the apostles were in hiding, and not going to help move the stone away for the women. The women also had no trouble believing the Angel, but Peter and John had to run out and check for themselves, also Thomas. 😉 So do you think these actions might be somewhat reflective of human nature and the differences between the sexes? Looking around at the disparity in numbers between the sexes filling the pews, and in ministry in the parishes, I would surmise there is at least some truth to the observation, that women are more active in their faith/spiritual life. So this layer of the story might be highlighting that.
What, that women are spiritually stronger than men? 😃

I just find as I read more on the popes and what they once believed about the differences of the sexes, that it still holds that God called only men to preach with authority in our time kinda out dated.
I grow up knowing only a female queen and a female pm, very normal in their power of authority.
Women have come along way, just not allowed in the spiritually authority for reasons yet un clear to me.
 
What, that women are spiritually stronger than men? 😃

I just find as I read more on the popes and what they once believed about the differences of the sexes, that it still holds that God called only men to preach with authority in our time kinda out dated.
I grow up knowing only a female queen and a female pm, very normal in their power of authority.
Women have come along way, just not allowed in the spiritually authority for reasons yet un clear to me.
You’re genuinely catholic?
 
Yes, does this have any relevance? Catholics can ask questions about how their church was formed too can’t they? 👍
I believe it has a great deal of relevance. How the church came to have men only as priests should be Catholicism 101 and as a result we should know that this is not a negotiable issue. Its not a matter of men only preachers being “outdated”. There are doctrines of the change that can’t change and this is one of those. Its also not relevant that England has had a queen and a female PM. I don’t know about there in England but here in the states most of the Religious Education directors in parishes are female. I can think of few other things more important in the maintenance and growth of our faith than properly teaching and forming the young minds entrusted to our local religious education programs. That’s a ministry no less important than the priesthood and in some ways maybe more so.
 
Are you also against female lawyers, doctors, CEOs, Presidents, etc.? Because I find that people who tend to be most adverse to womenpriests tend to support traditional gender roles.
This is a weird question, since I would surmise that most of the women giving their opinion on this thread are highly educated. I am a lawyer and I fully support the Churches position on a male only priesthood.
 
I believe it has a great deal of relevance. How the church came to have men only as priests should be Catholicism 101 and as a result we should know that this is not a negotiable issue. Its not a matter of men only preachers being “outdated”. There are doctrines of the change that can’t change and this is one of those. Its also not relevant that England has had a queen and a female PM. I don’t know about there in England but here in the states most of the Religious Education directors in parishes are female. I can think of few other things more important in the maintenance and growth of our faith than properly teaching and forming the young minds entrusted to our local religious education programs. That’s a ministry no less important than the priesthood and in some ways maybe more so.
Never read Catholicism 101, shall check it out. I have read a few things as this has been a “topic” I’ve been interested in lately.
Yes women out number men in religious education over here too, well at least from where I live and what I see happening.

Yep I agree we are all called to minister we are all disciples.
 
Never read Catholicism 101, shall check it out. I have read a few things as this has been a “topic” I’ve been interested in lately.
Yes women out number men in religious education over here too, well at least from where I live and what I see happening.

Yep I agree we are all called to minister we are all disciples.
Reading the catechism is really the best starting point.
 
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