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mfbukowski
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Nobody says we get in touch with them.
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mfbukowski
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Huh? What’s the BOS? what are you talking about? What’s a lot of fun? I don’t understand one word of this post.
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sambos671
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I was having a bit of fun. Ie BOS = Book of Sambos Chapter 6 verse 71 or Sambos671. What was a little fun was making up fake document to put forward a personal view. Which I accuse Joseph Smith of Doing because it was fun. I’m sorry you probably wouldn’t like it but I do get tired of being serious all the time.
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What is this mixture of seed among thy brethren? And who are the “Gentiles” who threaten to destroy the unique mixture of seed among the brethren? **Other people who are not Nephites and Lamanites. **
Note this is in 1 Nephi **even before the death of Nephi!
** This does not apply to the people of today, but to the Nephites and Lamanites. And of course that mixture DID survive through the Lamanites, even though the “Gentiles” from Asia intermarried.
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PaulDupre
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This is a prophecy of the distant future (Joseph Smith’s time) when the Gentiles were to overrun the Americas and threaten to destroy the Indians, as they did in Joseph’s time. Joseph and Sidney just built into the BOM what was going on in the 19th century. It’s easy to prophesy in retrospect.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with Gentiles or non-Lehites living in the Americas during Lehi’s time.
But then, you already knew that.
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mfbukowski
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You didn’t read the wording. There was already a mixture of seed among Nephi’s brethren which would be preserved.This is a prophecy of the distant future (Joseph Smith’s time) when the Gentiles were to overrun the Americas and threaten to destroy the Indians, as they did in Joseph’s time. Joseph and Sidney just built into the BOM what was going on in the 19th century. It’s easy to prophesy in retrospect.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with Gentiles or non-Lehites living in the Americas during Lehi’s time.
But then, you already knew that.
Stephen168
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I like the introduction to that Chapter:
He does seem to be prophesying into the presentThis is a prophecy of the distant future (Joseph Smith’s time) when the Gentiles were to overrun the Americas and threaten to destroy the Indians, as they did in Joseph’s time. Joseph and Sidney just built into the BOM what was going on in the 19th century. It’s easy to prophesy in retrospect.
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You have of course changed the subject. Have you ever looked at what those tracts say about Mormonism on this very site?
It’s interesting how you make up interpretations of what is NOT said. That’s a pretty desperate manuver.
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PaulDupre
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I prefer to stick with primary sources.
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mfbukowski
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And change them as you will
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PaulDupre
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What in those quotes did I change? CFR.
Please feel free to look them up and post your own versions.
Your leaders have said such dastardly things that I don’t need to change them; they are quite effective as they stand.
I’ve never understood why Mormons think that quoting your prophets and apostles amounts to anti-Mormonism.
Please feel free to quote the popes (all 265 of them) all you want; I will never accuse you of anti-Catholicism for doing so.
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mfbukowski
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I misread it. It was Stephen who made the changes.
It gets difficult when I have to edit your edits of my edits. I am going to bed.
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mfbukowski
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I iwll be glad to quote them before they were popes just as you quote prophets before they are prophets. A nazi I think… what else is in there…?
And I don’t accuse you of anti mormonism for doing so? CFR
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PaulDupre
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Sleep well, friend.
Stephen168
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I’ve always known. Anti-Catholicism was big in the 19th century which Mormonism is a produce. And is hasn’t stopped……
I remember a few years ago when a radio talk show host I listened to, starting taking anti-catholic shots at the Church. I stopped listen because it just made him look ignorant and I was embarrassed for him. I found out later he had become a Mormon, so I know they haven’t really changed. They would rather attack the Catholic Church because they can not defend their own.
They is no evidence of the Book of Mormon………oh yeah, your Pope’s a nazi………
When I see this kind of response, I know Christ is with the Catholic Church. And the Book of Mormon is fiction.
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PaulDupre
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Before they were prophets?? All the quotes I have posted were from LDS presidents and apostles. Oh, I forgot you don’t much about Mormonism. All LDS apostles are sustained as “prophets, seers and revelators”. So your apostles are just as responsible for what they say in public as is the president of your church.
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mfbukowski
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HUH? Prophet is an office. Pope is an office. People live their lives and say and do things they shouldn’t. They are human. Then they grow up and become prophets and popes. All I was saying here is that both sides are vulnerable to criticism about what people said/did before they were popes/prophets.
I don’t know why communication is so difficult here. It’s not worth the effort.
Stephen168
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Yes, communicating a lie is very difficult and never worth it.
If the Book of Mormon were true, it would be very easy to defend to anyone.
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Many Mormon archeologists admit that the BOM is a fairy tale:
Other Mormon scholars have been less willing to trowel over these apparent inconsistencies. In at least one public forum, BYU archaeologist Ray Matheny has been surprisingly blunt about the serious dilemmas posed by these rather glaring holes in the archaeological record. “I’d say this is a fairly king-sized problem,” Matheny observed at a tape-recorded symposium in 1984 in Salt Lake City. "Mormons, in particular, have been grasping at straws for a very long time, trying to thread together all of these little esoteric finds that are out of context. If I were doing it cold, I would say in reviewuating the Book of Mormon that it had no place in the New World whatsoever. It just doesn’t seem to fit anything that I have been taught in my discipline in anthropology. It seems like these are anachronisms:’ Matheny concluded his talk with a sockdolager: “As an archaeologist,” he said, “what [can] I say . . . that might be positive for the Book of Mormon? Well, really very little.” Several Mormon archaeologists told me that Matheny’s remarks caused considerable stir within church circles and came close to costing him his tenured position at BYU. Matheny has since carefully refrained from further public commentary on this subject, and he declined to be interviewed for this story.
Other Mormon scholars have been less willing to trowel over these apparent inconsistencies. In at least one public forum, BYU archaeologist Ray Matheny has been surprisingly blunt about the serious dilemmas posed by these rather glaring holes in the archaeological record. “I’d say this is a fairly king-sized problem,” Matheny observed at a tape-recorded symposium in 1984 in Salt Lake City. "Mormons, in particular, have been grasping at straws for a very long time, trying to thread together all of these little esoteric finds that are out of context. If I were doing it cold, I would say in reviewuating the Book of Mormon that it had no place in the New World whatsoever. It just doesn’t seem to fit anything that I have been taught in my discipline in anthropology. It seems like these are anachronisms:’ Matheny concluded his talk with a sockdolager: “As an archaeologist,” he said, “what [can] I say . . . that might be positive for the Book of Mormon? Well, really very little.” Several Mormon archaeologists told me that Matheny’s remarks caused considerable stir within church circles and came close to costing him his tenured position at BYU. Matheny has since carefully refrained from further public commentary on this subject, and he declined to be interviewed for this story.
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