How come most vegans aren’t pro-life?

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Yes, my wife is even a stronger vegan than me and we have dogs and cats and feed them food from butchered animals. It doesn’t seem right to try to make them be vegan. I think being an absolute 100% pure vegan is near impossible. We all a draw a line somewhere. It seems to me thought that all vagans ought to have as much concern for the human unborn as for any other life form.
 
Okay, I’ll bite.

How well is your pro-life stance regarded by the wider vegan community?

Do you mostly get agreement or disagreement?
 
External ethos? My vegan lifestyle is motivated by a lot more than just my health. There is the environment, solidarity with the poor, kindness to animals, spiritual discipline, etc. Kind of an ethos for me.
 
External ethos? My vegan lifestyle is motivated by a lot more than just my health.
Good for you, I hope you know I wasn’t referring to all vegans.

I based my observation on the former local radio program of Dr. James Winer, the healthiest man in Pittsburgh.

Winer advocated for veganism as the healthy decision without citing any other reasons for it, until he himself keeled over dead with a heart attack last year.
 
Vegans are mostly concerned with their own health, it isn’t due to any particular external ethos.
You are aware that modern Western vegetarianism and veganism arose as a religious practice among very devote non-conformist Protestants, especially Swedenborgians, Pietists and some elements of the Reformed Movement? A lot of their philosophy and theology is patently detectable in modern writings on Veganism, especially those pertaining to stewardship of the planet and animal welfare.

Veganism is not at all easy to practice. It takes serious motivation and rock-hard discipline, and you rarely get that without a firm philosophical basis.

I have about a half-dozen real vegans in my close circle. All of them are highly principled, even the non-religious ones.
 
Many of vegans that I’ve met, and most animal rights activists, as well, have a general intense dislike for people. Some are so bad that they would happily place the welfare of any furry animal, above that of a human. In some of their warped worldviews, they may see abortion as check on human overpopulation.
 
By “most vegans” are you looking at a particular poll?

I cannot attest to why most of the vegans you personally know are not pro-life.
 
I don’t know a lot of vegans, honestly, so I’m speaking from limited experience.

Among the few I know, I’ve actually never gotten into a vicious abortion debate with a vegan. Or really any abortion debate. I’ll carefully tease out the inconsistencies of pro-choice vegans, but in my personal experience dialog has always been respectful.

I haven’t personally met a pro-life vegan, but they’re all over online. To be fair, I also don’t ask every vegan I meet what they think about abortion, lol!

A good way to get the pro-choice vegan thinking is to mention a common practice in animal shelters - puppy and kitten abortions. While it saddens me to think that they see more pathos in those than human abortions, at least it gets them thinking.
 
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Just how many vegans and animal rights activists do you know because that does not sound like a statement in touch with reality.
 
It is clear that however one views suffering, an animal is incapable of viewing it in ANY sort of a human manner - the animal cannot comprehend the Resurrection either.
A very young child cannot comprehend the Resurrection either, but it is not okay to kill a dying child. We are to be there for the dying, sitting patiently at their bedside and enduring the suffering that is involved in that service. It is in that loving service, that mutual suffering together that the suffering is redeemed. The parent can comprehend it better for the child, lifting much of the burden up for the child through their own suffering out of love.

My in-laws euthanized their dog many years ago. My mother-in-law had always allowed her pets to die naturally. Several cats had, but the dog ended up paralyzed. What would have killed the dog would have been malnourishment unless they paid for the type of care you’d only give human beings. No one is going to hire a live-in nurse to help care for the animal. It would be ridiculous if they did.

So the question was only HOW the animal would die. Do we neglect the animal and let is suffer a slow cruel death from neglect or do we hasten the animals death in a humane manner? Either choice reflects that we will not treat the animal with the dignity a human being deserves.

Euthanasia is not mercy killing for human beings because, deep down, will killing them out of a refusal to give more of ourselves in the service of loving them. If we merely neglect our duties to the dying and then insist on an idea of redemptive suffering rooted in an idea that the more they suffer, the shorter their Purgatory or whatever, then what we espouse sounds ridiculous and terribly abusive. But if we recognize the need of our society to provide families with a leave from work to care for their dying, that people shouldn’t have to die on our schedules. Being uncomfortable and suffering with them is a part of the teaching. We have to get beyond our discomfort.

When the dog died, my mother-in-law was still very uncomfortable with viewing her pets as anything less than her children. So rather than take the dog to the vet to kill, the vet came to the house. The family surrounded the animal and petted her. The vet then explained the drugs she was using. The first drug was simply to paralyze the animal. She also said that this would keep the animal from physically reacting to what was happening as much. It would be less disturbing. Even still, the dog did get scared and try to run till she fully lost much of her ability to move. The next drug stopped the dog’s heart. The dog was staring right at me and the shock that her family was killing her was registered. It contradicted all the petting and crying and most certainly a part of it is that the dog wouldn’t have been able to understand the full situation.

Was it a very humane way to kill the animal? Indeed. But anyone who is tempted to do this to human beings needs to comprehend that doing this to a child or any human being would be the opposite of a dignified death because we are called to give more of ourselves to others than we are to animals.
 
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Lol. Next time someone tells me they’re a vegan, I’ll ask if they support abortion. And if they do I’ll tell them human babies are more important than freaking out over humans milking a cow.
 
I’ve been straight up told by a pro choice vegan that she doesn’t eat eggs because she thinks it’s the same as killing a chicken.

So you tell me and we’ll both know.
 
EVERY “vegan” i know is 1,000,00% pro abortion

but they hug trees, (god forbid i have a slice of bacon)
 
You got me there! I’ve known several vegetarians, but none that claim to be outright vegans. I have however come into contact with many animal rights activists, most due to my work with animals, and I can say with certitude that quite a few of them display a palpable disdain for people as a whole.
 
I would further suggest that perhaps redemptive suffering or other concepts of human suffering could be a topic for another thread if people want to discuss it further.
That would be a great idea as long as everyone keeps calm and controls their egos. It’s a very important topic imo.
 
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