How could a moral God allow suffering?

[Nate123]

You keep forgetting, or so it seems, that I do not believe that God either sends or permits suffering, so the remainder of your points relative to me are invalid.

Point 1…you are really reaching.

On point 2…the Christian God supposedly knew that child’s outcome before they were even conceived.

1. If watching a child die of leukemia is not horrific, then I don’t know what it is. I know it can’t be mitigated, but I simply take God out of the equation entirely. I won’t address terms like fantasy for obvious reasons.

You said:“If watching a child die of leukemia is not horrific, then I don’t know what it is.”

I reply: We Catholics/Christians are blind and cannot see the horrors of the world for what they truly are. The truth is that the cancer that kills a child is horrific. The earthquake that kills millions is horrific. The selling of women into slavery is horrific. We have been scared of the horrors contradicting Gods all powerlessness and goodness. We have sold out on God and humanity. We gave false explanations and they have created a lot harm. Atheism is on the rise for such explanations. You did not sell out God or humaity and I thank you for it. A God that allows evil for a greater good is not worthy of love or praise. That “god” doesn’t exist.

God opposes the horrors with all of his power and holiness. He can only work through creatures. Many of them do not work for the good. Evil does not have the final word. In the redemption Christ has brought all disorder caused by sin to himself which are suffering and death. Christ has united all suffering to himself and we conquer these evils by becoming saviors (in union with him) to everyone who chooses heaven. He has made that the evils work for our salvation and one day heaven will thank us for what we went through for their salvation. In this way all suffering and death has no power over us.

 

[oldcelt]

You said: I, personally, will no longer praise a god for doing some of the things i was taught were for our benefit.

I reply: Nor should you praise a “god” that allows suffering to bring a greater good out of it. Such a “god” is not worthy of our praise and worship. Thank God that god does not exist.

You said: “And if that god truly loved those children, He had the choice of keeping them forever in His kingdom…without the suffering of this life.It makes no sense…and never will.”

I reply: God does love the children and he hates the suffering/cancer they go through. Deism is not the answer. The answer relies in the fact that God has given all power away to creatures. He can only intervene through his creatures and its the only way for him to do it without injuring/diminshing further. A gift is a gift and he will not diminish our gifts. Here is an explanation:

"If God is perfectly opposed to all evil, then why does God not intervene in the world more often to either prevent or at least reduce it?
Answer: Though omnipotent, God has irrevocably set a limit to his own power:

“God has not willed to reserve to himself all exercise of power. He entrusts to every creature the functions it is capable of performing, according to the capacities of its own nature.” (CCC, 1884)

In gratuitous generosity, God has arranged that real power in shaping the world be given to human beings and angels for the sake of imbuing created persons with authentic importance as co-creators. In offering himself totally to creatures, God has given himself away in a most radical manner: All powers and roles of importance that can logically possibly be entrusted to others have, in fact, been given to human beings and angels for the sake of imbuing authentic and irreplaceable importance to each creature made in the image of God:

“We can never give too great prominence to the Scholastic principle that God never does through Himself what may be achieved through created causality… For any result which does not require actually infinite power, God will sooner create a new spiritual being capable of producing that result than produce it Himself.” (Abbot Anscar Vonier, The Human Soul)

There are areas of responsibility that can only be acted upon by God (e.g. the creation of the universe out of nothing, or the governance of the entirety of reality via omniscient providence), and these cannot be given over to creatures due to the limits of logical possibility. Even so, the self-emptying of God is such that many of those actions which can only be accomplished by God himself (such as the forgiveness of sins, or the changing of bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ) have been entrusted to human beings as intermediaries through the sacramental ministry of the priesthood.

According to God’s generosity, if something can possibly be done or mediated by a finite power, God creates a finite creature to do it rather than doing the thing directly. Since this is a true giving, and not merely the appearance of gift, it follows that creatures now have a kind of power in the world that God does not have.
Even though sin and the suffering caused by it is an infinite offense to him, God is (though metaphysically omnipotent) functionally dependent on the actions of creatures
obedient to him in order to manifest his will and justice in the world. God is in no way controlling things directly, and if a created person chooses to do evil, then real damage is done." newapologetics.com/ten-questions-and-answers-on-the-why-of-human-suffering

I appreciate your taking the time that you did on your response. Just one thing, Don’t you see a great similarity between the God you describe, and the God of Deism? In both cases, we believe that God exercises no direct control on events here on Earth.
Your God is a bit more personal, but I have arrived at a somewhat extreme version of God, even for many Deists. I do not believe, through observation and study of history, that God can create each of us individually. To do that would again require God’s cooperation with evil/sin (rape, pre-marital sex, incest, etc.).
I believe that each of us are the creation only of our parents, and that there is no divine plan or goal for our lives. We are on our own as individuals, and as a species.

 

[LaMBS]

For many of the posters here suffering is a theoretical concept. Personally, I spent 24 years with a condition called Complex Regional Pain Syndrome. In this condition every nerve ending in the effected area feels like a toothache. My lower leg was so swollen that blood use to seep through the skin and occasionally my skin would burst because the pressure was too great. My pain doctor suggested that if I wished to convey the experience to women I should tell them that the pain is more severe than child birth and to relate to men I should tell them it is worse than kidney stones. I was prescribed pain medication for each of the three types of pain receptors in the brain. this made me unable to stay awake so I was prescribed medication to keep me awake. Eventually I was taking more than 107 pills per day plus methadone. Even this level of medication only dulled the pain but did not remove it. I saw all the specialist doctors in the area and all concluded that this condition was incurable.
I not only had the physical pain but the emotional pain of how this affected my ability to do anything other than suffer and how the condition affected my family. I had 2 young boys who I couldn’t go on hikes with or fish with or teach to throw a ball. For 5 years I couldn’t even walk without crutches and even with them could only walk a short distance. Most of the time I was dependent on an electric scooter. I couldn’t drive because of the medication, I couldn’t even carry on a coherent conversation. I know suffering. I also know that the suffering I endured brought me closer to my God than I could ever be without having had that suffering. As for God not directly intervening, Despite all the certainty of the doctors that my condition was permanent, I was healed while praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet at Church.
Most people who know me consider this to be a miracle and great blessing. Though I do not wish to return to that state, I personally consider receiving the pain and living with it to be a greater gift from God. I had a very good friend who died from cancer. My prayer for him as his cancer progressed was “God, please spare Glenn; but if You must take him now, please let me bare his pain.” About a year after my healing Glenn’s sister told me that his doctor informed her that Glenn was the only patient he had ever had, or even ever heard of, with that particular type of cancer that required no pain medication at all - not even a Tylenol. I feel that this simple act of love opened a door to allow God to act in me and through me to make Him better known and appreciated by many.
We do have a Merciful God who allows suffering. That suffering is a gift if we use it well.
By offering our suffering in communion with the suffering of Christ we do great good. If we look only from our current temporal perspective this cannot be understood. All things are a gift from a merciful God who knows what they will do for us despite the perception of those who will only see from their own limited perspective. One could never experience joy if no one ever suffered.

 

[tonyrey]

For many of the posters here suffering is a theoretical concept. Personally, I spent 24 years with a condition called Complex Regional Pain Syndrome. In this condition every nerve ending in the effected area feels like a toothache. My lower leg was so swollen that blood use to seep through the skin and occasionally my skin would burst because the pressure was too great. My pain doctor suggested that if I wished to convey the experience to women I should tell them that the pain is more severe than child birth and to relate to men I should tell them it is worse than kidney stones. I was prescribed pain medication for each of the three types of pain receptors in the brain. this made me unable to stay awake so I was prescribed medication to keep me awake. Eventually I was taking more than 107 pills per day plus methadone. Even this level of medication only dulled the pain but did not remove it. I saw all the specialist doctors in the area and all concluded that this condition was incurable.
I not only had the physical pain but the emotional pain of how this affected my ability to do anything other than suffer and how the condition affected my family. I had 2 young boys who I couldn’t go on hikes with or fish with or teach to throw a ball. For 5 years I couldn’t even walk without crutches and even with them could only walk a short distance. Most of the time I was dependent on an electric scooter. I couldn’t drive because of the medication, I couldn’t even carry on a coherent conversation. I know suffering. I also know that the suffering I endured brought me closer to my God than I could ever be without having had that suffering. As for God not directly intervening, Despite all the certainty of the doctors that my condition was permanent, I was healed while praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet at Church.
Most people who know me consider this to be a miracle and great blessing. Though I do not wish to return to that state, I personally consider receiving the pain and living with it to be a greater gift from God. I had a very good friend who died from cancer. My prayer for him as his cancer progressed was “God, please spare Glenn; but if You must take him now, please let me bare his pain.” About a year after my healing Glenn’s sister told me that his doctor informed her that Glenn was the only patient he had ever had, or even ever heard of, with that particular type of cancer that required no pain medication at all - not even a Tylenol. I feel that this simple act of love opened a door to allow God to act in me and through me to make Him better known and appreciated by many.
We do have a Merciful God who allows suffering. That suffering is a gift if we use it well.
By offering our suffering in communion with the suffering of Christ we do great good. If we look only from our current temporal perspective this cannot be understood. All things are a gift from a merciful God who knows what they will do for us despite the perception of those who will only see from their own limited perspective. One could never experience joy if no one ever suffered.

:clapping: Thank you for a really inspiring post. It is one of the best I have ever read on this forum.

 

[Nate123]

I appreciate your taking the time that you did on your response. Just one thing, Don’t you see a great similarity between the God you describe, and the God of Deism? In both cases, we believe that God exercises no direct control on events here on Earth.
Your God is a bit more personal, but I have arrived at a somewhat extreme version of God, even for many Deists. I do not believe, through observation and study of history, that God can create each of us individually. To do that would again require God’s cooperation with evil/sin (rape, pre-marital sex, incest, etc.).
I believe that each of us are the creation only of our parents, and that there is no divine plan or goal for our lives. We are on our own as individuals, and as a species.

You said: "Don’t you see a great similarity between the God you describe, and the God of Deism? "

I reply: No they are different. In Deism, God creates the universe but then after is indifferent and does not interact with creation. The Christian God interacts and intervenes for his creation. The intervention though is ONLY through creatures. So when one part of the body of Christ says “no” to God it feels like God is saying no. It is not the case that God says no. We see plenty of cases in the world where people are supernaturally cured of illness, saved from disasters and God working through his creation for the well-being of the world. The more we pray the more we use the gift given by God for others.

 

[Nate123]

For many of the posters here suffering is a theoretical concept. Personally, I spent 24 years with a condition called Complex Regional Pain Syndrome. In this condition every nerve ending in the effected area feels like a toothache. My lower leg was so swollen that blood use to seep through the skin and occasionally my skin would burst because the pressure was too great. My pain doctor suggested that if I wished to convey the experience to women I should tell them that the pain is more severe than child birth and to relate to men I should tell them it is worse than kidney stones. I was prescribed pain medication for each of the three types of pain receptors in the brain. this made me unable to stay awake so I was prescribed medication to keep me awake. Eventually I was taking more than 107 pills per day plus methadone. Even this level of medication only dulled the pain but did not remove it. I saw all the specialist doctors in the area and all concluded that this condition was incurable.
I not only had the physical pain but the emotional pain of how this affected my ability to do anything other than suffer and how the condition affected my family. I had 2 young boys who I couldn’t go on hikes with or fish with or teach to throw a ball. For 5 years I couldn’t even walk without crutches and even with them could only walk a short distance. Most of the time I was dependent on an electric scooter. I couldn’t drive because of the medication, I couldn’t even carry on a coherent conversation. I know suffering. I also know that the suffering I endured brought me closer to my God than I could ever be without having had that suffering. As for God not directly intervening, Despite all the certainty of the doctors that my condition was permanent, I was healed while praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet at Church.
Most people who know me consider this to be a miracle and great blessing. Though I do not wish to return to that state, I personally consider receiving the pain and living with it to be a greater gift from God. I had a very good friend who died from cancer. My prayer for him as his cancer progressed was “God, please spare Glenn; but if You must take him now, please let me bare his pain.” About a year after my healing Glenn’s sister told me that his doctor informed her that Glenn was the only patient he had ever had, or even ever heard of, with that particular type of cancer that required no pain medication at all - not even a Tylenol. I feel that this simple act of love opened a door to allow God to act in me and through me to make Him better known and appreciated by many.
We do have a Merciful God who allows suffering. That suffering is a gift if we use it well.
By offering our suffering in communion with the suffering of Christ we do great good. If we look only from our current temporal perspective this cannot be understood. All things are a gift from a merciful God who knows what they will do for us despite the perception of those who will only see from their own limited perspective. One could never experience joy if no one ever suffered.

Yes thank you for your post. Through your testimony people may be able to see the horrors that people go through.

You said: “I personally consider receiving the pain and living with it to be a greater gift from God.”

I reply: The pain was not the gift from God. The gift from God is that Jesus suffered with you when you felt your pain. When the both of you suffered in your condition you saved the world in union with Jesus. You both are intervening for humanity. “Suffering in itself is of no value.” Pope Francis. Suffering also is an evil Jesus came to conquer. What is of value is that Jesus has made all crosses his own. In this way we all conquer the evil that befalls us and become saviors to the whole world.

 

[tonyrey]

A simple answer is found in John Stuart Mill’s remark:

“It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.”

There is nothing wrong with a pig’s life but people who choose to live like pigs will get no more out of life than pigs.

 

[bedan_elite]

For many of the posters here suffering is a theoretical concept. Personally, I spent 24 years with a condition called Complex Regional Pain Syndrome. In this condition every nerve ending in the effected area feels like a toothache. My lower leg was so swollen that blood use to seep through the skin and occasionally my skin would burst because the pressure was too great. My pain doctor suggested that if I wished to convey the experience to women I should tell them that the pain is more severe than child birth and to relate to men I should tell them it is worse than kidney stones. I was prescribed pain medication for each of the three types of pain receptors in the brain. this made me unable to stay awake so I was prescribed medication to keep me awake. Eventually I was taking more than 107 pills per day plus methadone. Even this level of medication only dulled the pain but did not remove it. I saw all the specialist doctors in the area and all concluded that this condition was incurable.
I not only had the physical pain but the emotional pain of how this affected my ability to do anything other than suffer and how the condition affected my family. I had 2 young boys who I couldn’t go on hikes with or fish with or teach to throw a ball. For 5 years I couldn’t even walk without crutches and even with them could only walk a short distance. Most of the time I was dependent on an electric scooter. I couldn’t drive because of the medication, I couldn’t even carry on a coherent conversation. I know suffering. I also know that the suffering I endured brought me closer to my God than I could ever be without having had that suffering. As for God not directly intervening, Despite all the certainty of the doctors that my condition was permanent, I was healed while praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet at Church.
Most people who know me consider this to be a miracle and great blessing. Though I do not wish to return to that state, I personally consider receiving the pain and living with it to be a greater gift from God. I had a very good friend who died from cancer. My prayer for him as his cancer progressed was “God, please spare Glenn; but if You must take him now, please let me bare his pain.” About a year after my healing Glenn’s sister told me that his doctor informed her that Glenn was the only patient he had ever had, or even ever heard of, with that particular type of cancer that required no pain medication at all - not even a Tylenol. I feel that this simple act of love opened a door to allow God to act in me and through me to make Him better known and appreciated by many.
We do have a Merciful God who allows suffering. That suffering is a gift if we use it well.
By offering our suffering in communion with the suffering of Christ we do great good. If we look only from our current temporal perspective this cannot be understood. All things are a gift from a merciful God who knows what they will do for us despite the perception of those who will only see from their own limited perspective. One could never experience joy if no one ever suffered.

wow…wow…

 

[LaMBS]

This question is being asked from the human perspective: Suffering is bad. God made suffering. How can God be good. Why not try: God is good. God made suffering. How can suffering be good.
Looking at suffering as an end does not reveal its benefit. Suffering is a means. God did not send His Son to suffer, He sent His Son to save us. Suffering was the means and remains a means for us today. Consider one’s job. Looking at work as an end, one would not consider their employer to be good; “He makes me drive all the way here with my own car and my own gas five days a week to do difficult things for eight hours and then drive all the way back home.” Nobody thinks in this manner, rather they recognize that their employer is providing them the means to participate in society. Those who cannot or will not work are considered social outcasts.
So it is with suffering. God is providing us with a means to participate in the salvation of man.
Thank you Papa.

 

[Nate123]

This question is being asked from the human perspective: Suffering is bad. God made suffering. How can God be good. Why not try: God is good. God made suffering. How can suffering be good.
Looking at suffering as an end does not reveal its benefit. Suffering is a means. God did not send His Son to suffer, He sent His Son to save us. Suffering was the means and remains a means for us today. Consider one’s job. Looking at work as an end, one would not consider their employer to be good; “He makes me drive all the way here with my own car and my own gas five days a week to do difficult things for eight hours and then drive all the way back home.” Nobody thinks in this manner, rather they recognize that their employer is providing them the means to participate in society. Those who cannot or will not work are considered social outcasts.
So it is with suffering. God is providing us with a means to participate in the salvation of man.
Thank you Papa.

Lets try the true one: God is good. Sin causes all suffering and death (this is the teaching of the Catholic Church). Suffering and death are evils that Jesus came to conquer.(The Catholic Church teaches suffering and death are evils)

You said: “God is providing us with a means to participate in the salvation of man.”

I reply: This is false if you mean God sends us sufferings.

“These two punishments(eternal and temporal) must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin.”

What he has done is made every cross his own. Then whatever we suffer, through him(not the suffering itself) becomes the means of the rescue of all. We are one with the Savior of the world.

 

[Nate123]

Lets try the true one: God is good. Sin causes all suffering and death (this is the teaching of the Catholic Church). Suffering and death are evils that Jesus came to conquer.(The Catholic Church teaches suffering and death are evils)

You said: “God is providing us with a means to participate in the salvation of man.”

I reply: This is false if you mean God sends us sufferings.

“These two punishments(eternal and temporal) must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin.”

What he has done is made every cross his own. Then whatever we suffer, through him(not the suffering itself) becomes the means of the rescue of all. We are one with the Savior of the world.

The quote is from 1472 CCC.

 

[LaMBS]

The questions is “How could a moral God allow suffering.” As mentioned several times in this thread, sin causes suffering. God has provided a means of using that sin for good.

 

[tonyrey]

The question implies that suffering is the worst of all evils. Yet it is far worse to inflict suffering unnecessarily. Suffering is only evil when it serves no useful purpose for the person who suffers. There are cases in which no one benefits from the pointless pain of an incurable disease. A child who dies in agony does not become spiritually mature and develop into a nobler person. If death is the final end of life such suffering can never be justified.

An afterlife must be part of the answer to the question:

“He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

Revelation 21:4

Even pointless pain unites us more closely to Jesus who was tortured for no valid reason. His suffering and death were senseless and did more harm than good from a Jewish point of view. They gave rise to a “superstition” which led to the destruction of the Temple and the Diaspora. Yet regardless of their religion or ideology countless men, women and children have followed His example so that others are liberated from moral evil and injustice.

Even though less obvious, the answer to natural evil is equally valid. No one has ever succeeded in explaining how every mishap and misfortune could be averted without defeating the fundamental purpose of human existence: to choose what to believe and how to live. Mental slavery is far worse than losing our physical freedom. We rightly object to indoctrination because it leads to fanaticism and atrocities. Our independence of thought is our most precious gift. That alone is sufficient reason for enduring “the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune”. As so often, Shakespeare knew what he was talking about. The final words of Hamlet’s speech are not so well remembered but they are far more important:

“Soft you now! The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remember’d.”

 

[ajecphotos]

What about the Holocaust?

God let it happen? If so, why?

Reason i ask is i just visited Auschwitz and this very question was on my mind

 

[LaMBS]

We are created body, mind, heart and soul. Suffering tends to be viewed only from the effects on body, mind and heart. Benefits can be found in those areas in the people responding to suffering of others, but this is not the area where the benefits occur for the one experiencing the pain either directly or through compassion. The person suffering may or may not benefit in those areas after the suffering but the greatest value of suffering is to be found in the soul. If one’s focus is on self, suffering can easily lead to despair and despondence but when the one’s personal suffering is joined to Christ’s suffering it becomes a treasure.
When Adam and Eve sinned they were cast out from the Garden of Eden and women were made to suffer in childbirth; men to toil, trust and endure in labour. The suffering of these punishments is caused by the sin but is meant to teach us and bring us back to God. In most cases, the pain of childbirth is the greatest suffering a woman will endure, but it is immediately followed by the greatest joy she will ever know on earth; one which causes her to quickly forget the suffering. Men must toil to clear land, prepare it, sow seeds, wait and pray that sun and rain will come in proper proportions while crops grow and then toil again to harvest the crops. Once harvested, some of the crops must be reserved to provide seed to repeat the cycle the next year.
In women’s case, we can learn that the suffering on Earth will lead to a far greater joy in Heaven; in men’s case we learn to persevere and trust that the reward is to come. Parents do not punish their children to see them suffer; they punish them to help them grow into good adults. God is the best parent and suffering is the punishment which helps us grow to the purity which will allow us to be with Him for eternity. If no one ever sinned, if everyone remained pure, there would be no need for this punishment. If one accepts and cooperates with the punishment it will be effective and its goodness can be appreciated. If one rejects and resents the punishment it will not be effective and its goodness may be lost.

 

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[Nate123]

What about the Holocaust?

God let it happen? If so, why?

Reason i ask is i just visited Auschwitz and this very question was on my mind

The answer relies in the fact that God has given all power away to creatures. He can only intervene through his creatures and its the only way for him to do it without injuring/diminshing further. A gift is a gift and he will not diminish our gifts. Here is an explanation:

"If God is perfectly opposed to all evil, then why does God not intervene in the world more often to either prevent or at least reduce it?
Answer: Though omnipotent, God has irrevocably set a limit to his own power:

“God has not willed to reserve to himself all exercise of power. He entrusts to every creature the functions it is capable of performing, according to the capacities of its own nature.” (CCC, 1884)

In gratuitous generosity, God has arranged that real power in shaping the world be given to human beings and angels for the sake of imbuing created persons with authentic importance as co-creators. In offering himself totally to creatures, God has given himself away in a most radical manner: All powers and roles of importance that can logically possibly be entrusted to others have, in fact, been given to human beings and angels for the sake of imbuing authentic and irreplaceable importance to each creature made in the image of God:

“We can never give too great prominence to the Scholastic principle that God never does through Himself what may be achieved through created causality… For any result which does not require actually infinite power, God will sooner create a new spiritual being capable of producing that result than produce it Himself.” (Abbot Anscar Vonier, The Human Soul)

There are areas of responsibility that can only be acted upon by God (e.g. the creation of the universe out of nothing, or the governance of the entirety of reality via omniscient providence), and these cannot be given over to creatures due to the limits of logical possibility. Even so, the self-emptying of God is such that many of those actions which can only be accomplished by God himself (such as the forgiveness of sins, or the changing of bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ) have been entrusted to human beings as intermediaries through the sacramental ministry of the priesthood.

According to God’s generosity, if something can possibly be done or mediated by a finite power, God creates a finite creature to do it rather than doing the thing directly. Since this is a true giving, and not merely the appearance of gift, it follows that creatures now have a kind of power in the world that God does not have.
Even though sin and the suffering caused by it is an infinite offense to him, God is (though metaphysically omnipotent) functionally dependent on the actions of creatures
obedient to him in order to manifest his will and justice in the world. God is in no way controlling things directly, and if a created person chooses to do evil, then real damage is done." newapologetics.com/ten-questi…uman-suffering

 

[ajecphotos]

Yes, but, why the Holocaust? Why let his ‘chosen’ people suffer so much? Aren’t / weren’t the jews his chosen people?

I have only recently been questioning this as what i said in my previous post because i went to Auschwitz and have been reading up on the terrors of the camp and other concentration camps and death camps.

Just hard to understand why he would let all those people, his ‘chosen’ people to suffer and die like that! Could it be that it was because the Jews sent Jesus to the cross?

 

[phil_at_dayboro]

This question is as old as questions can be,

For their to be no sin., no crime , and everything in life was wonderful,
We would need to have a guardian angel by our side 24/7 … Guiding us, telling us we can’t do this or that, don’t look here,don’t look their ,what sort of life would that be ?
How could we know what our strengths are ?
Life can be dreadfully harsh, what would life be if their were never any wars ?
What would the human population be ?
If everything was perfect,then this would be heaven ,earth is not heaven ,

 

[bedan_elite]

Yes, but, why the Holocaust? Why let his ‘chosen’ people suffer so much? Aren’t / weren’t the jews his chosen people?

I have only recently been questioning this as what i said in my previous post because i went to Auschwitz and have been reading up on the terrors of the camp and other concentration camps and death camps.

Just hard to understand why he would let all those people, his ‘chosen’ people to suffer and die like that! Could it be that it was because the Jews sent Jesus to the cross?

Hi ajecphotos ; The Israelites are the chosen people but if you trace back their history in the bible, they’re the ones who suffered so much generations after generations. About your question why them, nobody knows. One thing for sure, we shouldn’t be questioning the ways of God, it’s not really our business. Peace brother