How could the Reformation be of God?

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It just couldn’t be. Why would He want all of this disunity? There are over 30,000 different denominations. I can only see Satan wanting this. I am not saying that the Protestants are following Satan because they are God fearing individuals. But they all have this hidden hunger for unity. Why is that? Could it be of the Holy Spirit? He is calling them to unite, but they will not find peace without the Church
 
I would argue that the Church has always had problems take a close look at Revelations and the issues of the seven churches mentioned there…

The issue with the reformation is that each man built his own church on a foundation of his own ideals and faith - somethings good other things bad…
 
=Kirk O;5928483]It just couldn’t be. Why would He want all of this disunity? There are over 30,000 different denominations.
Let’s say 30,002 communions, if we include Rome and, collectively, Orthodoxy. But you are correct, this disunity is not in obedience to Christ’s call for unity. And we all share responsibility and blame for it’s continuation.
But they all have this hidden hunger for unity.
I would contend that this is not necessarily the case. There are many who are content with their own faith communion, separate from others. There may also be some who argue that we are united in an invisable church.
Could it be of the Holy Spirit? He is calling them to unite, but they will not find peace without the Church.
He very well is calling all of us to unity, but as I said above, different people have different views of unity. And I would say that many have a level of peace in their faith equal to that which any Catholic might have.

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It just couldn’t be. Why would He want all of this disunity? There are over 30,000 different denominations. I can only see Satan wanting this. I am not saying that the Protestants are following Satan because they are God fearing individuals. But they all have this hidden hunger for unity. Why is that? Could it be of the Holy Spirit? He is calling them to unite, but they will not find peace without the Church
How could the Reformation be of God?

Because it happened. God could have directly caused it, permit it, or allowed it. God is always sovereign over all things. What does Scripture say about the sparrow? Please consider the Book of Job. Nothing happens outside the permissive will of God!
 
It just couldn’t be. Why would He want all of this disunity? There are over 30,000 different denominations. I can only see Satan wanting this. I am not saying that the Protestants are following Satan because they are God fearing individuals. But they all have this hidden hunger for unity. Why is that? Could it be of the Holy Spirit? He is calling them to unite, but they will not find peace without the Church
To pretend that there was perfect unity in the Catholic church prior to the Reformation is absurd. Prominent examples that come to mind are the Great Schism, the Iconoclasts, the antipopes, etc.
 
There were issues from day one…The further away from the original apostles it got worse…It’s all about flesh desiring control and power…The gospel remains and people commit their lives to Christ in spite of it all…Can you imagine the extent of the corruption without some reform…I just think of the whole priest scandal in the CC and how know offenders were shuffled around and protected…
 
There were issues from day one…The further away from the original apostles it got worse…It’s all about flesh desiring control and power…The gospel remains and people commit their lives to Christ in spite of it all…Can you imagine the extent of the corruption without some reform…I just think of the whole priest scandal in the CC and how know offenders were shuffled around and protected…
Exactly. Men desired power, and to achieve that power had to have something to hold over the heads of the populous. The simplicity of the Gospel message did not allow this - enter man-made dogmas. This is the same spiritual malaise that affected the Jews. They began to force the teachings of men on the people they were supposed to be shepherding as if they were the commands of God.
 
It just couldn’t be. Why would He want all of this disunity? There are over 30,000 different denominations. I can only see Satan wanting this. I am not saying that the Protestants are following Satan because they are God fearing individuals. But they all have this hidden hunger for unity. Why is that? Could it be of the Holy Spirit? He is calling them to unite, but they will not find peace without the Church
I do believe that in some ways it really was an intention of God. Yes, most definately…
 
Re-formation may be as much of God as being made a “new creation” in Him (2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15). The prospect of division through denominationalism often caused me concern growing up as a Presbyterian, and it still does. However, when I read verses like"…there is not Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all and in all." (Col.3:9-11, NAB), and, “For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal.3:27-28, NAB), and, “There are different kinds of spiritual gifts but the same Spirit; there are different forms of service but the same Lord; there are different workings but the same God who produces all of them in everyone. To each individual the manifestation of the Spirit is given for some benefit.” (1 Cor.12-4-7, NAB), I contemplate that while one in Christ, we still are yet male and female with divine purpose yet for both, that it was God Himself who came down at the Tower of Babel and once divided our tongues and scattered us (Gen. 11), and that God indeed services the one Body through a variety of gifts and valuable perspective. Certainly the divisiveness is wrong and contrary to our Lord’s call of unity (Jn. 17), but it’s not without purpose that our spiritual growth may yet be enriched through our diversity. The qualities of our differences are both remarkable and terrible, and truly only God is able to unify us in ways that bring the most glory before His throne of grace. I’m not one to present that God wants disunity, but I no longer find it strange that He sometimes brings glory due His name through it.
 
Re-formation may be as much of God as being made a “new creation” in Him (2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15). The prospect of division through denominationalism often caused me concern growing up as a Presbyterian, and it still does. However, when I read verses like"…there is not Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all and in all." (Col.3:9-11, NAB); and, “For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal.3:27-28, NAB), and, “There are different kinds of spiritual gifts but the same Spirit; there are different forms of service but the same Lord; there are different workings but the same God who produces all of them in everyone. To each individual the manifestation of the Spirit is given for some benefit.” (1 Cor.12-4-7, NAB), I contemplate that while one in Christ, we still are yet male and female with divine purpose yet for both, that it was God Himself who came down at the Tower of Babel and once divided our tongues and scattered us (Gen. 11), and that God indeed services the one Body through a variety of gifts and valuable perspective. Certainly the divisiveness is wrong and contrary to our Lord’s call of unity (Jn. 17), but it’s not without purpose that our spiritual growth may yet be enriched through our diversity. The qualities of our differences are both remarkable and terrible, and truly only God is able to unify us in ways that bring the most glory before His throne of grace. I’m not one to present that God wants disunity, but I no longer find it strange that He sometimes brings glory due His name through it.
Wow, excellent post. This perspective makes a lot of sense.
 
Re-formation may be as much of God as being made a “new creation” in Him (2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15). The prospect of division through denominationalism often caused me concern growing up as a Presbyterian, and it still does. However, when I read verses like"…there is not Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all and in all." (Col.3:9-11, NAB); and, “For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal.3:27-28, NAB), and, “There are different kinds of spiritual gifts but the same Spirit; there are different forms of service but the same Lord; there are different workings but the same God who produces all of them in everyone. To each individual the manifestation of the Spirit is given for some benefit.” (1 Cor.12-4-7, NAB), I contemplate that while one in Christ, we still are yet male and female with divine purpose yet for both, that it was God Himself who came down at the Tower of Babel and once divided our tongues and scattered us (Gen. 11), and that God indeed services the one Body through a variety of gifts and valuable perspective. Certainly the divisiveness is wrong and contrary to our Lord’s call of unity (Jn. 17), but it’s not without purpose that our spiritual growth may yet be enriched through our diversity. The qualities of our differences are both remarkable and terrible, and truly only God is able to unify us in ways that bring the most glory before His throne of grace. I’m not one to present that God wants disunity, but I no longer find it strange that He sometimes brings glory due His name through it.
Theogrit,

you have a good point but the catholic mass really is the original church. Peter once said “So then bretheren, stick to the traditions that were taught to you either by word of mouth or by letter.”
 
Theogrit,

you have a good point but the catholic mass really is the original church. Peter once said “So then bretheren, stick to the traditions that were taught to you either by word of mouth or by letter.”
Exactly. Stick to them. Not “add to them.”
 
It just couldn’t be. Why would He want all of this disunity? There are over 30,000 different denominations. I can only see Satan wanting this. I am not saying that the Protestants are following Satan because they are God fearing individuals. But they all have this hidden hunger for unity. Why is that? Could it be of the Holy Spirit? He is calling them to unite, but they will not find peace without the Church
The Reformation was in direct response to the Catholic Church’s teaching & practice of Simony which was condemned clearly in the New Testament by St. Peter.

But you are correct, the Reformers did “through out the baby with the bath water”.

In my opinion, they should have become Orthodox rather than do away with the true teachings of the Church along with the false teachings/practices of the Roman Catholic Church - then at least there wouldn’t be today so many different denominations.

Although I’ve heard that the actual number of denominations of Protestants is about 2,600, not 30,000. Either way, it’s far too many 🙂
 
How could the Reformation be of God?

Because it happened. God could have directly caused it, permit it, or allowed it. God is always sovereign over all things. What does Scripture say about the sparrow? Please consider the Book of Job. Nothing happens outside the permissive will of God!
God allows evil because He loves us so much that He allows us to do evil if it is our desire. He allows people to become possessed. He allows people to let their children be killed. Never assume that because something happens it is the will of God. That’s just a shallow excuse.
 
The Reformation was in direct response to the Catholic Church’s teaching & practice of Simony which was condemned clearly in the New Testament by St. Peter.

But you are correct, the Reformers did “through out the baby with the bath water”.

In my opinion, they should have become Orthodox rather than do away with the true teachings of the Church along with the false teachings/practices of the Roman Catholic Church
The Catholic Church. False teachings like no birth control and no divorce?
 
=SingleMomMonica;5929186]The Reformation was in direct response to the Catholic Church’s teaching & practice of Simony which was condemned clearly in the New Testament by St. Peter.
But you are correct, the Reformers did “through out the baby with the bath water”.
In some ways in Germany at the time the bath water needed to be tossed. What is your definition of “the baby”?
In my opinion, they should have become Orthodox rather than do away with the true teachings of the Church along with the false teachings/practices of the Roman Catholic Church - then at least there wouldn’t be today so many different denominations.
Curiously, the Lutherans made such an overture in the 1600’s. It is an interesting dialogue. But even had it been successful, that would not have greatly effected the number of Protestant denominations today, since virtually none have direct roots in Lutheranism.
angelfire.com/ny4/djw/lutheran-orthodox.html

The current dialogue between Lutherans and Orthodox is also interesting.
helsinki.fi/~risaarin/lutortjointtext.html
Although I’ve heard that the actual number of denominations of Protestants is about 2,600, not 30,000. Either way, it’s far too many 🙂
I agree.

Jon
 
there is not Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all and in all." (Col.3:9-11, NAB), and, “For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal.3:27-28, NAB), and, “There are different kinds of spiritual gifts but the same Spirit; there are different forms of service but the same Lord; there are different workings but the same God who produces all of them in everyone. To each individual the manifestation of the Spirit is given for some benefit.” (1 Cor.12-4-7, NAB), I contemplate that while one in Christ, we still are yet male and female with divine purpose yet for both, that it was God Himself who came down at the Tower of Babel and once divided our tongues and scattered us (Gen. 11), and that God indeed services the one Body through a variety of gifts and valuable perspective. .
2 Cornithians 11:4
“For if he that cometh preacheth another Christ, whom we have not preached; or if you receive another Spirit, whom you have not received; or another gospel which you have not received; you might well bear with him.”
 
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