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rossum
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As I said above, follow the instructions in the Visuddhimagga, chapter 13, paragraph 22 on.
How could the universe and life come into existence without God? How could life evolve without God?
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AlNg
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Going on from 22 to 35, we read:
35. When human beings and earth deities hear their words, they mostly are
filled with a sense of urgency. They become kind to each other and make merit
with loving-kindness,
It says that when you hear these words, you will be kind to each other. Apparently you did not hear the words, because it is not very kind to avoid the question.
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rossum
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I did not avoid the question, I pointed you to a text with instructions to find the answer.
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AlNg
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It is a real stretch to say that you will know if you were a rabbit or a giraffe in the previous life if you follow the instructions given in ch 13 par 22 of the text.
Let me ask you this: did you or did anyone you know follow those instructions and find out for certain that he was an alligator in the previous life? or some other reptile or animal? Was he having hallucinations or is this something that is verifiable.
The instructions only lead you into a dream world where you can either dream or have hallucinations. I suppose you can dream that you were a turtle in the previous life but it does not prove that it was so. Dreams are not the same as reality. The instructions give no way to prove that what you imagine happened in the previous life, actually did happen.
It is not right to lead people into a dream world and then claim that it is the real world and something that really happened. I don;t see where you or the text have any way to verify a belief that you were someone else or some other animal in a previous life.
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Eric_Hyom
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If they are not programmed by intelligent beings, then monkeys should be able to set up a random number generator.o_mlly:
No they are not. That is why I mentioned quantum-level RNGs. See Quantis for just one example.
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rossum
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Personally I did not; I have not followed that route. I practice vipassana meditation, not samatha meditation. The mention of fourth jhana indicates that Buddhaghosa is talking about samatha meditation in that passage.
If you want to confirm whether or not the result is a dream or real memories of previous lives then you are welcome to try. The instructions are there.
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rossum
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You don’t need something as complex as a monkey. A circle will do it for you: the Hex digits of pi. Given any digit sequence you will not be able to predict the next digit because every possible digit sequence appears an infinite number of times in pi.
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AlNg
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I don’t see how this can be verified as not being anything more than a dream of sorts.
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AlNg
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This is true. But is non-predictability the same as random?
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rossum
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It is the cryptographic definition of random. Given any amount of past output it is impossible to predict future output better than chance.
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AlNg
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I thought that was the definition of pseudo-random.
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rossum
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No, a pseudo-random sequence is predictable and repeatable; if you give the generator the same seed then you will get the same sequence of numbers again. That is useful in some cases. With the pi sequence you can never be certain where the starting point was so you can never be sure what the next number will be. In an infinite sequence, all possible subsequences will occur an infinite number of times.
Maurer (1992) uses a similar property of very large – multi-terabyte – data files to construct a secure cipher.
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o_mlly
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The point in discussion was programming a genetic algorithm that simulates random mutations. Since the data set from which a random number might generate must be resident or available to the program, infinite data sets are eliminated. Any truncated value of pi faces faces the same impossibility as other discrete data sets accessed programmatically (designed) to obtain a true random number.
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rossum
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Then hook the computer up to a cosmic ray detector, or perhaps an alpha particle detector next to a small piece of uranium. There are plenty of naturally occurring sources of randomness. You do know that random mutations can be caused by radiation?
PS: using the Plouffe method you do not need to store all the digits of pi, you calculate them as needed.
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o_mlly
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When that hookup actually occurs, send me its output of supposedly random numbers for verification. You do know that randomness is only in the eye of the beholder?
If the digit is calculated then it cannot be random.
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Eric_Hyom
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How easy would it be to set up a genetic algorithm; just using pen and paper without a computer
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rossum
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Tedious, but doable. You would need a form of random (name removed by moderator)ut, a die perhaps. A computer would be a lot faster.
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Eric_Hyom
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You have a greater understanding of mathematics than most people, including me.Eric_Hyom:
Tedious, but doable. You would need a form of random (name removed by moderator)ut, a die perhaps. A computer would be a lot faster.
It seems that random mutation and natural would need a greater understanding of mathematics than even you have. You understand problem solving, quantis, pi, algorithms. Blind nature would have to do this without guidance, without a computer, and even without pen and paper.
How could this happen without a guiding hand?
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rossum
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No. Cosmic rays can cause mutations. Uranium, radon and other radioactive isotopes can cause mutations. Some chemicals can cause mutations. No understanding of mathematics is needed.
Mathematics is only needed to build a model of the process, not for the actual process itself.
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Noose001
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No sense.
In evolution, a tail developed through a series of random mutations and the tail was later lost through a series of random mutation in a reverse order.
Unbelievable
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