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Noose001
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But does Durga exist?
How could the universe and life come into existence without God? How could life evolve without God?
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Eric_Hyom
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I can call you John or Jill or rossum, whatever I call you does not change who you are.
Whatever you choose to call God, does not change who he is. He is the creator.
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Abrosz
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Can you “prove” that he does not?
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Noose001
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I have no reason to believe she does control my free will to to choose between evil and good, war or peace. I even i, have the free will to choose to believe whether she exists or not but most likely she doesn’t.
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rossum
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There is as much evidence for Durga’s existence as there is for the existence of the Abrahamic God (Christian version).
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rossum
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I call it the multiverse, which is a much simpler concept. It drops all the non-creator parts of YHWH/God/Allah and even drops some of the creator parts as well, since everything after the Big Bang is indirect, not directly created.
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stoplooklisten
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I think that we know quite a bit. Nothing comes about without a cause and a God is the best explanation. And, this God has not been silent but has revealed Himself in nature, Scripture and Providence.
The physical order is very orderly and this speaks of a Designer.
Truth is not truth if it changes. We must remain steadfast and faithful in defending truth and not allow truth to change with fads, fashions and whims.
We have life and breath and a green earth to stand upon and for this we should be grateful and thank our Creator.
Generations of men and women for thousands of years have lived their lives in faithfulness to revealed truth and more than a few have suffered and died in maintaining that faithful lifestyle.
Darwinism is just a speculation. No abiogenesis has been shown. No macroevolution has been shown. Natural variation is species such as moth coloration or finch beaks is a natural process within existing genes. Eye color varies according to existing genes and without new mutations. The genome has been mapped but is still far from fully understood. Random mutation and natural selection are blind process with no intelligence to design systems of irreducible complexity and ecological interdependence. Radiometric dating methods are unreliable and the geologic layers sometimes appear out of sequence.
Skepticism and doubts proliferate while faith and faithfulness remains all too rare.
Consider also that if God is real and the Bible is true and the Catholic Church is His Body, we should prepare accordingly for eternity.
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Noose001
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What do you mean? There’s more evidence for Jesus than there is for you @rossum
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rossum
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Jesus had a Birth Certificate? Jesus had a university Degree certificate? Jesus was registered to vote in elections?
There is a great deal of evidence that I exist. I eagerly await a link to Jesus’ entry in the local Palestine electoral register.
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rossum
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This is obviously contradictory. If “[n]othing comes about without a cause” then God must have a cause. If God is uncaused then there is something which has come about without a cause.
Nor do I see God as the best explanation. There are other, simpler, explanations. A multiverse can cause the Big Bang, which gives us the material universe. A multiverse is not intelligent, omniscient, omnipotent etc. which makes it a lot simpler than God. Being simpler it is less unlikely to occur so Occam’s Razor works in its favour.
Another contradictory sentence. If the dating methods are unreliable, how can you tell if the layers are out of sequence or not? If you just have layers with no dates then you have no idea of what the correct order should be.
Whatever source you are using is feeding you very obviously incorrect information here.
Consider also that if the Buddha was right you have the path to nirvana.
There are many religions, and a equally many “Consider also that if…” sentences to look at.
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Eric_Hyom
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There is more evidence for Jesus than there is for abiopgenesis.
In your opinion.
Do you mean that maybe a multiverse caused the BB. Or have you had more evidence since you posted this reply a month ago.
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stoplooklisten
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The universe operates according to order, precision, design. It requires a God to implement that.
Almighty God who exists outside of space-time was the cause of space-time.
A multiverse is an imaginary fiction and speculation and nothing more.
According to radiometric dating, a non-sedimentary layer can have a older age than the non-sedimentary layer below it. The method is inconsistent, often inaccurate, often lacking a “reset” method and often laden with assumptions.
There are many religions but only Church with the four marks of: One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.
There is also only one Messiah, Jesus Christ with attributes like these:
- Born of the Blessed Virgin Mary
- Fulfilled many prophecies
- Spoke the Beatitudes and the Sermon on the Mount
- Did many miracles of healing and provision (example: miraculous feeding of the multidtudes)
- Kept himself chaste and sinless
- established a Church not upon a Scripture but upon Twelve Apostles
- Instituted a sacrament of his continued Presence in the Holy Eucharist
- Willingly suffered and gave his Life in atonement from the sins of others.
- Resurrected from the Dead
- Continues to do miracles through the Church across the centuries.
- Prophesied future King of angels, demons, earthly kings and people.
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Noose001
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More than a birth certificate:
His birth prophesied millenia before
Parents well known, lineage clearer than that of Budha and @rossum combined
Born on a manger… the certificate reads
I mean, look at the time now, it’s 2020 the year of our Lord
He did carpentry in Nazareth
Was a political threat and a religious threat to powers that be during that period even though he had no political aligning nor did He have any intention to stand for any political office.
He supported the authority of Ceasar when His followers wanted to revolt and stop paying taxes
Even though He was a spiritual king, one of the charges fronted against His was that He wanted to overthrow the leadership and hence the ‘THE KING OF THE JEWS’ tag on his cross and the mock crown of thorns.
There was no electoral register but He entered Jerusalem riding a colt while people sang Hossana Hossana.
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rossum
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There is more scientific evidence for abiogenesis than there is for Jesus.
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rossum
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You are assuming design. Do not assume what you should prove.
Yes. Such results are one indication of an overthrust fault. To quote that article:
Your sources are only 130 years behind the times here.
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Eric_Hyom
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And the proof for your multiverse is…
Very cleverly worded, but where is this scientific evidence for abiogenesis. Again you said it is all hypothesis in past replies.
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Freddy
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There is no proof in science. The multiverse is a proposal. It doesn’t discount God. So on a purely religous perspective there is no requirement to deny it. God could have made the universe in any way He would have chosen.rossum:
And the proof for your multiverse is…
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rossum
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Science does not do “proof”, that is for mathematics. Science does evidence. If you are going to discuss science then you would do well to understand it.
Mathematics has theorems, which are proved, for example Pythagoras’ Theorem. Science has theories (note the different spelling) which are not proved because they are all provisional. Newton’s theory of gravity was never proved. When new evidence was found it was replaced by Einstein’s theory. Further evidence has since been found, so scientists are working on a better replacement for Einstein’s theory: Quantum gravity.
Currently the multiverse is a hypothesis; one among many. I tend to use it in discussions like this because it is easier to understand than some alternatives, such as branes.
Look in the mirror for part of the evidence. Five billion years ago there was no life on earth. Today there is life on earth. Hence, at some time in the last five billion years life on earth started.
Your assertion is that there has always been life on earth: an omnipresent eternal living God requires that. Where is your evidence?
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rossum
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We know from the Bible that God sometimes uses indirect methods: “Let the waters bring forth…” and “Let the earth bring forth…” There is no reason He could not have said, “Let the multiverse bring forth…”
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stoplooklisten
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RMNS is built on much bigger assumptions (and biases). You should not ignore evidences. NS cannot “see” RM until they are supposedly expressed in new morphological features but RM producing new designs is unproven. Why does the body have symmetry? How did male and female develop at the same time? How did the human body develop intricate, interdependent systems? Why do plants and animals co-exist in an interdependent ecological system? A Designer provides simple, elegant answers to these questions.
“Overthrusts” and faults are separate topics for perhaps another time.
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