How could the universe and life come into existence without God? How could life evolve without God?

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AlNg said:
That is not true, there are many things which can be said to be works in progress. There are partial results but not the complete answer:
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Of course, everything and anything can be work in progress except God; precisely the mind of an atheist.
It is really mind boggling for someone to think that Abiogenesis (work in progress) is possible and resurrection is not when hypothetically, resurrection is a million times easier/probable than abiogenesis.

There’s no such thing as partial answers, you either know or you don’t.
 
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Noose001 said:
There’s no such thing as partial answers, you either know or you don’t.
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Then you do not know the English language. There are words in the English dictionary which you do not recognise and cannot give a meaning for. Since, your knowledge of the English language cannot be partial, according to your own post, then you do not know the English language.

For example, can you define “Shelta” without looking it up?
 
rossum said:
For example, can you define “Shelta” without looking it up?
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I don’t know and i can’t say i partially know because there’s no such thing scientifically or mathematically.

Q. Is resurrection possible?
 
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AlNg:
That is not true, there are many things which can be said to be works in progress. There are partial results but not the complete answer:
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Of course, everything and anything can be work in progress except God; precisely the mind of an atheist.
It is really mind boggling for someone to think that Abiogenesis (work in progress) is possible and resurrection is not when hypothetically, resurrection is a million times easier/probable…
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Well we know that one at least has happened.
 
Freddy said:
The ‘work in progress’ is trying to work out how it happened. As far as you are concerned, the process that God used.
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‘Trying to’ means we don’t know how, yet you earlier insinuated that you know. If we don’t know how, then we can only ‘believe’ or disbelieve based on a number of reasons.

But it is mind boggling how one can believe the possibility of abiogensis and disbelieve resurrection. That clearly shows that atheism is a position with boundaries that are never to be crossed.
 
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Freddy:
The ‘work in progress’ is trying to work out how it happened. As far as you are concerned, the process that God used.
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‘Trying to’ means we don’t know how, yet you earlier insinuated that you know. If we don’t know how, then we can only ‘believe’ or disbelieve based on a number of reasons.

But it is mind boggling how one can believe the possibility of abiogensis and disbelieve resurrection. That clearly shows that atheism is a position with boundaries that are never to be crossed.
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I think that you missed the point. Abiogenesis happened. On that we both agree.
 
Noose001 said:
I don’t know and i can’t say i partially know because there’s no such thing scientifically or mathematically.
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Shelta is linguistic, not scientific or mathematical.
Q. Is resurrection possible?
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Yes; there were even people who made a living from it: resurrectionists.

But of course you have no knowledge of English because you do not have a complete knowledge of English.
 
rossum said:
Yes; there were even people who made a living from it: resurrectionists.
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But is it known or is it work in progress?
Why would you look for evidence of non living chemicals becoming alive through natural processes when you can point out a dead organism (non living chemicals) coming back to life?
 
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Noose001 said:
But is it known or is it work in progress?
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The word ‘resurrectionists’ is in the dictionary, so it is known.
Why would you look for evidence of non living chemicals becoming alive through natural processes
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I can see the evidence all around me. There were only non-living chemicals on earth 5 billion years ago. There are living organisms formed from those chemicals on earth today.

Occam’s razor, and the absence of any scientific evidence for the existence of Odin or other gods tells me that abiogenesis is the best current explanation.
when you can point out a dead organism (non living chemicals) coming back to life?
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Rice is a living organism. Kill the rice by boiling it, so it is dead. Then eat it. The non-living chemicals formerly in that rice are incorporated into your living body.
 
stoplooklisten said:
It is established fact that genetic mutations can be causes of disease.
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Yes. And your point is? We already know that most mutations are neutral. The majority of the remainder are deleterious and only a few are beneficial. No one disputes the existence of deleterious mutations.
 
rossum said:
The word ‘resurrectionists’ is in the dictionary, so it is known.
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Ok, move from the dictionary and talk about practical things now.

Resurrection is the idea that an organism lives and dies and then comes back to life; does this happen?
rossum said:
There were only non-living chemicals on earth 5 billion years ago
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  1. But there’s no such thing as NON-LIVING without LIVING. Which word takes precedent? why can’t you see it is the ‘living’ that has importance and the ‘non living’ gets its meaning from the ‘living’? Even the language refutes your irrational ideas.
Non-life, remove life and you remain with Non (nothing).
  1. There’s no 5 billion years, where do you get that from. You have to define ‘Time’ before coming up with such figures. Einstein’s space-time was not a thing with a beginning and an end but a concept to help him explain his ideas.
rossum said:
Rice is a living organism. Kill the rice by boiling it, so it is dead. Then eat it. The non-living chemicals formerly in that rice are incorporated into your living body.
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???
 
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