How did God's plan for Adam and Eve backfire?

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What, do you think God said:
“Oh! Didn’t see that one coming!”
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Not.

He is love and human love is a decision we make. That decision must be unhindered, so He granted mankind unlimited freedom - even to reject Him. But, for those who choose to love Him, He knows that it is genuine and thus, his mercy flows.
 
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Wm777 said:
In Eden, God said, “It is not good for man to be alone.”

Then He created Eve.
Fast forward.
Fall.

It sounds flippant, I know, but it kind of makes one wonder if it wouldn’t have been better if God had just kept it between Adam and Himself.

Many of us (both man and woman) now struggle to be at peace with God, even to the point of secluding ourselves to do as such, and many religious houses will even call this kind of cloistered isolation a holy sacrifice.

So how is it that God could say “It is not good for man to be alone”, and then come to the conclusion that creating Eve would somehow have made things better - which was a plan that doesn’t seem to have worked…
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God’s wise plan is to share his divinity with humans that confirm their love for Him. So the confirmation of that love is the test.

Adam and Eve both fell into mortal sin by free will choice. Since God knows all, it was no mystery to Him that the gifts he gave would be lost. They were given a tree of eternal life that they did not eat of. Adam and Eve were constituted with supernatural and preternatural gifts, that we do not have at birth.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
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Then Adam blamed Eve instead of taking ownership for his decision
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And from this thread it sounds like people are still blaming Eve.

I sincerely doubt that Adam would have somehow avoided sinning if he hadn’t had a companion.
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St. Thomas Aquinas wrote some interesting thoughts on the first man’s sin. Some excerpts follow.

Summa Theologiae > Second Part of the Second Part > Question 163. The first man’s sin. http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3163.htm#article4

Summa Theologiae > First Part of the Second Part > Question 81. The cause of sin, on the part of man http://www.newadvent.org/summa/2081.htm
  • the man’s sin is the more grievous, because he was more perfect than the woman.
  • the sin of each is considered to be equal, for each sinned by pride.
  • the woman sinned more grievously, for three reasons…
    a) her pride rose to the height of desiring to obtain something against God’s will
    b) the woman not only herself sinned, but suggested sin to the man;
    c) the man’s sin was diminished by the fact that, as Augustine says (Gen. ad lit. xi, 42), “he consented to the sin out of a certain friendly good-will, on account of which a man sometimes will offend God rather than make an enemy of his friend. That he ought not to have done so is shown by the just issue of the Divine sentence.”
  • Now privation of original justice is original sin. If, therefore, supposing Adam had not sinned, original sin would not have been transmitted to posterity on account of Eve’s sin; it is evident that the children would not have been deprived of original justice: and consequently they would not have been liable to suffer and subject to the necessity of dying.
 
It follows logically. First, posterity is mentioned in the last bullet point of the response you posted.

Second, the OP’s argument is that God’s creation of Eve resulted in a fallen world where many people are troubled. However, if God had not created Eve, then all those troubled people wouldn’t even exist. Perhaps the OP thinks non-existence is better than struggle?
 
God’s plan worked perfectly. We have a new Adam in Christ and a new Eve in Our Lady Mary. In the End we will have a new Garden of Eden in the New Heaven and Earth to come.
 
We’re not sure why, as it’s a Kabbalistic secret, but there was an obvious reason to it to get the game rolling, per se.
 
Wm777 said:
So how is it that God could say “It is not good for man to be alone”, and then come to the conclusion that creating Eve would somehow have made things better - which was a plan that doesn’t seem to have worked…
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Who says God’s plan backfired?

“For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.”

It seems to me that if all things were created in Christ and for Christ, then Christ wasn’t plan B, he was plan A all along. Adam and Eve (both of them - and us by virtue of original sin and our own sins) are still responsible for disobeying God, but it seems that it was God’s will all along to redeem creation through Christ.
 
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O happy fault! O necessary sin of Adam that gained for us so great a Redeemer!
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In praise of actual happenings, yes. God works wondrous good even from our fall.
As a theological principle it’s not established that Adam’s sin was necessary for the coming of Christ.

Christ is the eternally existing 2nd person etc…
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
It follows logically. First, posterity is mentioned in the last bullet point of the response you posted.

Second, the OP’s argument is that God’s creation of Eve resulted in a fallen world where many people are troubled. However, if God had not created Eve, then all those troubled people wouldn’t even exist. Perhaps the OP thinks non-existence is better than struggle?
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I see what you mean about the OP. I should have said, having no Eve was not the topic of my post.
 
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There’s a reason why G-d put that snake in that garden.
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Yes, you are Rabbi ABSOLUTELY CORRECT and the reason is:

God designed/ planned the original sin, predestined from all eternity and God caused their “fall” and they are freely chosen their “fall.” – God makes it our great benefit.

2022; “The divine initiative in the work of grace precedes, prepares, and elicits the free response of man. …”
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310 With infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world in a state of journeying towards its ultimate perfection, 314 through the dramas of evil and sin.

For the benefit of the human race. At the point, God made the above decision: He takes the human race to ultimate perfection through the dramas of evil and sin, God had no other choice, He must create the dramas of evil and sin and this is what He created at His CAUSE of the “fall.”

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THE MYSTERY OF PREDESTINATION by John Salza
Page 113: “God, however, willed to permit Adam to reject His grace and to sin.” – He ordered the events of the “fall.”
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308 The truth that God is at work in all the actions of his creatures is inseparable from faith in God the Creator.
God is the first cause who operates in and through secondary causes: "For God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure."171
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St. Thomas teaches that God effects everything, the willing and the achievement. S. Th.II/II 4, 4 ad 3:

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The TECHNICALITY the way God step by step made the events happened at the “fall,” the way God step by step made the “fallen” man/ old creation, 2 Cor.5:17 referring back to.

At the “fall,” God removed the heart of flesh and put a heart of stone instead.
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God made the “fallen” man/ old creation carnally minded, God also made him unable to subject to His law, (Rom.8:6-7).
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God hardwired/ infused the “fallen” man/ old creation with the law of sin/ God enslaved man to sin, to all manner of evil desire, the inclinations for all kinds of sins, (Rom.7:8-23). etc.
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The events described above, at the “fall” God created the dramas of evil and sin, for the reason to convert our sins into greater good.

311 For almighty God, . . . because he is supremely good, would never allow any evil whatsoever to exist in his works if he were not so all-powerful and good as to cause good to emerge from evil itself.177

324 Faith gives us the certainty that God would not permit an evil if he did not cause a good to come from that very evil, by ways that we shall fully know only in eternal life.

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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Divine Providence explains;

His wisdom He so orders all events within the universe that the end for which it was created may be realized.

He directs all, even evil and sin itself, to the final end for which the universe was created.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12510a.htm
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God bless
 
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