How did Mohammed die?

[famdigy]

About the possibility of poison killing Mohammed 3 yrs later. Toxins can be trapped in a persons body fat and when a person burns the bodyfat, the toxins are released into the blood stream at the same time they can cause harm to the person. Scientifically, although unlikely, it IS possible for a poison/toxin to affect a person months, years or decades after injesting. I’m not sure what Mohammed’s body mass index was when he injested the poison and if he had lost/burned some body fat shortly before his death or not, but it is possible.

Seriously dude, people spontaneously die because they burnt too much body fat releasing deadly toxins? have you ever heard of anything like this happening. Is there any documented case to support this view? It’s very very unlikely.

On the other hand, we know Aisha gave him medicine against his will. We know she claimed it was a tumor, at another time she claimed it was poison from a jewish lady. I don’t have the hadith on me at the moment but when Muhammad (p) confronted her about the medicine she tried to blame his uncle al-abbas. And finally, there is nobody to corroberate her story. If Muhammad (p) was in pain because of the poison he had 3 years ago you would think he would share this other people such as his real family (his daughter, his nephew, his grand children) none of them agree with Aisha’s view but on the contrary they blame Aisha for conspiring to kill him.

So the most likely scenario is that she killed him.

 

[MissyB786]

You famidigy, is something we call a troll or like peter pettigrew aka wormtail from Harry Potter. You will gladly spread you false version of Islamic history and Islam in catholic forum, knowing all to well that no one can challenge u here because they don’t know about Islamic history or hadiths, but you cannot come to sunniforum or Islamic-forum.net as you know people will challenge you and correct ur false beliefs** with evidence**. You claim people are harsh there but you just cannot face the reality that people will challenge and correct ur beliefs with evidence, so u come and hide somewhere where no one can challenge u because they don’t know the history and hadiths.

Again I could have a long discussion here about hadiths, I am still gathering my research to respond to you, but as it is Ramadan I feel to use my time for spiritual benefit rather than responding to you. Give me some time and I will explain to you how you are wrong.

Asking a shia to explain Islam, is like asking a mormon or bahaist to explain Christianity. They only represent 10% of the muslim world, and even some parts of the Muslim world consider them non-Muslims for aspects of their faith which are too complicated to go into here. Neways give me time to respond to ur false claims against Aisha(ra). I have other things to do as well, so don’t take it as me running away from refuting you.

 

[Robin_des_Bois]

You famidigy, is something we call a troll or like peter pettigrew aka wormtail from Harry Potter. You will gladly spread you false version of Islamic history and Islam in catholic forum, knowing all to well that no one can challenge u here because they don’t know about Islamic history or hadiths, but you cannot come to sunniforum or Islamic-forum.net as you know people will challenge you and correct ur false beliefs** with evidence**. You claim people are harsh there but you just cannot face the reality that people will challenge and correct ur beliefs with evidence, so u come and hide somewhere where no one can challenge u because they don’t know the history and hadiths.

Again I could have a long discussion here about hadiths, I am still gathering my research to respond to you, but as it is Ramadan I feel to use my time for spiritual benefit rather than responding to you. Give me some time and I will explain to you how you are wrong.

Asking a shia to explain Islam, is like asking a mormon or bahaist to explain Christianity. They only represent 10% of the muslim world, and even some parts of the Muslim world consider them non-Muslims for aspects of their faith which are too complicated to go into here. Neways give me time to respond to ur false claims against Aisha(ra). I have other things to do as well, so don’t take it as me running away from refuting you.

You guys are obsessed with numbers. Do you know Hindus are 1 billion and Christians are more than Muslims?

Also, why, each time a Sunni debates a Shia, the Sunni loses his manners?

 

[MissyB786]

You guys are obsessed with numbers. Do you know Hindus are 1 billion and Christians are more than Muslims?

Also, why, each time a Sunni debates a Shia, the Sunni loses his manners?

I didn’t realize I was loosing my manners, I was just pointing out I will respond to famdigys response with evidence why his belief is wrong as the majority know the reason of his death. For some reason famdigy likes to portray his opinions where no one will challenge him with evidence, which i find sneaky. If u think thats me loosing my manners well lolz, I was just challenging famdigy to post his beliefs on sunniforum or islamic-forum.net, but I know he won’t because people will automatically correct him with actual evidence as opposed to posting his opinions on here.

Ok the beliefs that shias have about Aisha(ra). How to explain that to you, if someone called the virgin Mary(as) not a virgin, a adulteress, a ******, that she will be dragged from her grave by her hair? Damned to hell? How would u feel? You’ld feel sorry for them and would try to explain to them why they are wrong, and we have historical evidence from Quran and hadiths why they are wrong. She is known as the mother of the believers in the Quran, so their beliefs about Aisha, automatically make them disbelief in Quran.

As a sunni Muslim, there is no one I cannot insult anyone in Christianity, or Islam, as we honour all the same people Jesus(as), Mary(as), Abraham(as), Ishmael(as), Issac(as) and so on. Plus I know Islam and Christianity to be a religion of peace, I don’t have time to be cursing anyone. Shiasm I don’t see that as a religion of peace, because if they make prayers, they specifically curse significant companions and family of the Prophet(PBUH) and they may deny it as they practice something called Taqqiyah, which is concealment hiding their faith, so they continue to practice cursing them in secret and u may notice (la) added by shias after names if u look at shia conversations over the internet, which means laanut aka curse. I know Islam to be a religion of peace but it is quite pathetic and sad to be adding (la) or making prayers to curse people. I focus my life on trying to find peace and even those that do wrong, I cannot judge them or curse them only God is the judge of that, but to have it built into u from the day u r born to curse companions and family of the Prophet(PBUH) is quite sad.

So its not a rude manner, I am just correcting the false cursing version famdigy is spreading.

 

[MissyB786]

You guys are obsessed with numbers. Do you know Hindus are 1 billion and Christians are more than Muslims?

Also, why, each time a Sunni debates a Shia, the Sunni loses his manners?

Why each time a shia debates a sunni, they post baseless information with no evidence, so they are just further propagating lies?

Can I ask which hadiths shias use, Sunnis usually look at Bukhari and Muslim, and shias usually use kafi, nahlul balhgua etc… can’t remember all their names. Even in shia hadiths there is no evidence of animosity between the family and the sahabas, its just something concocted in their heads.

“O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in your speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, you Ahlel Bayt (People of the House), and to make you pure and spotless.” (Quran, 33:32-33)

“The Prophet is closer to the believers than their ownselves, and his wives are their mothers.” (Quran, 33:6)

I don’t know how exactly shias treat their mothers, but I know Islam teaches us to respect and honour our parents and not even say a word of contempt such as ‘uff’ to them.

“Your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him, and that you be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honor. And out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility, and say: ‘My Lord! bestow on them Your Mercy…’” (Quran, 17:23-24).

 

[MissyB786]

I don’t know why my posts were deleted, as I was just showing the truth and pointing out the way Shias insult Aisha(ra) its like someone insulting the virgin Mary(as).

youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com/
schiiten.com/backup/AhlelBayt.com/ahlelbayt.com/index.html

Neways this is a link for ne1 interested to explain and clear up the beliefs including for shias

 

[MissyB786]

1. Aisha is untrustworthy, a woman who lies to the messenger to his face will not hesitate to lie to ordinary folk. Here is a link to the story

as a consequence of this we have to scrutinize and question everything she says so that we can be assured she is not lying to us

1. Aisha claims he died of a poison he ingested over 3 years ago. Please help me understand how poison can stay dormant in the body for 3 years only to come back and kill that person 3 years later? And why is it that Muhammad (p) never complained of health issues as a result of the poison, he even participated in battles during the 3 years after he allegedly ingested the poison?
2. Aisha contradicted herself when she claimed he died due to a The hadith linked to here is not authentic but it is corroborated in other authentic hadiths according to the sunnis

for example here is one from Musnad Ahmad bin Hanbal where she suggested he had a tumour and gave him some “medication” orally against his will . Muhammad (p) got upset at them for it and ordered they should take the same medicine which they gave him.

A similar hadith from Bukhari where she administers “medicine” against his will.

In response to ur claims, why would Aisha narrate evidence of her poisoning him, if she supposedly did? Wudn’t u keep that to urself. Because she wasnt.

1. Aisha(ra) like any woman, loved her husband very much and wanted to spend as much time with him, so it is inevitable that she might get jealous of his spending more time elsewhere. Before u say only she experienced jealousy, to point out to shias even Fatima(ra) experienced it as well hence the INITIAL hadith those that upset Fatima upset me by the Prophet(PBUH) was because of Ali(ra) not Abu Bakr(ra), I don’t judge her or that. She learnt her lesson after the revelations, the point of revelation to guide them not condemn them. Whats the point of having revelation if there is no chance in saving urself.

2 and 3. I can’t interpret arabic so had to consult with someone but they saidThere is no contradiction here. The contradiction is between the first narration that says “tumor” and the narration about magic, but it is weak. The second and third narrations don’t say that he died from magic, but they believed that it was a “tumor”, but that the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) denied it. So there is no contradiction here.

As for sunnis not using narrations from the descendents, below are some narrations by the descendants.

1. The descendants intermarried between the companions descendants that they supposedly disliked. Why would they marry if there was animosity between them?
   2.In Shia book Furu’u al-Kafi volume six al-Kulayni narrates:
   Humayd bin Ziad from ibn Sama’ah from Muhammad bin Ziad and Ibn Rabat from Abu Ayyoub al-Khazzaz from Muhammad ibn Muslim that he said to the Imam Abu Abdullah Ja’afar PBUH: I heard your father say that the Prophet PBUH gave his wives the choice so they chose Allah and his prophet so he did not divorce them (…) The Imam said: This is a narration which my father used to narrate from ‘Aisha…

Comment: So the Imam here told us that Muhamamd al-Baqir used to narrate a narration from ‘Aisha, which proves that Shia Imams even narrated ahadees from Ayesha(ra).

More interesting thing which supports the above answer is that Prophet(saw) SPECIFICALLY asked his WIVES(esp ayesha) to teach believing women ISLAMIC RULINGS.

So Aisha(ra) teachings are used by the shia Imams?
3.Aisha mentioned Ali by her full mouth. Shareeh Bin Hane’e says, I asked Aysha about washing (the feet in ablution). She said, “Go to Ali ibn abi Talib, he is more knowledgeable than I.” So I went to him and asked him about the wash. Ali said, “The messenger of Allah used to order us to wash our feet at day and night, and the traveler should do it three times.” (The Virtues of the Companions, by Imam Ahmed, vol.2, #1199, p.702)
Aisha (may God be pleased with her) said regarding Ali(ra): “He is the most knowledgeable about the Sunna among those who remain,” (Abu Nuaym, Hilya al-Awliya’ 1:100-128 #4; al-Dhahabi, Siyar Alam al-Nubala’ 1/2:615-660 #5.)
Even Aisha(ra) talks of the knowledge of Ali(ra)
Comment: So we find from these reports that not only Ayesha(ra) took the name of Ali(ra), but even mentioned the virtues of Ali(ra) and his high knowledge when it comes to Sunnah of Prophet(saw). These reports refute the claim of Shias, that Ayesh(ra) disliked taking the name of Ali(ra), because she hated him.

There is lots more I can give, but otherwise the post will become too long and wordy and I am not sure what levels people on this forum other than Muslims will understand the science of hadiths.

 

[MissyB786]

So neways back to the original post of the title.

Here is a good video with explanation.
youtube.com/watch?v=gIALB9vNdKk

× The death-sickness of the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam was the result of a Jewish conspiracy. This happened because some Jews in Khaybar invited the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam and some of his companions for a meal which they had poisoned. The Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam and his companions began to eat, then, suddenly, he sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam said: “Everybody stop eating, because the food just spoke to me and told me that it was poisoned.” Recalling this whilst on his deathbed, the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam said: “I can still feel the effect of what I ate in Khaybar, therefore, the time for my death time has come.” (Abu Daawood).
× The Prophet’s death-sickness began just after he buried one of his companions. ‘Aa’ishah, may Allaah be pleased with her, said: "The Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam came back from a funeral and found me suffering from a headache. I was saying: ‘Oh my head!’ so the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam said: “Rather, it is my head that aches.” then he said: “What harm would it be to you (i.e., it would be better for you) if you die before me, then I could wash you, shroud you, pray over you and then bury you.” I replied: "I swear by Allaah that if this were to occur then you would come back from my funeral and marry again; so he sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam smiled - and it was at this point that his death-sickness started’ (Ahmad & Ibn Maajah).
'Aa’ishah, may Allaah be pleased with her, said: “I have never seen anyone going through pain which is harsher than that which the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam suffered (during his death sickness).” (Bukhaari & Muslim).

'Abdullaah Ibn Mas’ood, may Allaah be said pleased with him, said: “I went to see the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam (during his death sickness) and found him suffering from intense pain, so I put my hand on him and said: ‘O Messenger of Allaah! Indeed you are suffering from intense pain’ he replied: “Yes, I suffer twice as much as anyone else would.” I asked: ‘Will you get double the reward?’ he replied: “Yes.” Then he said to me: “Allaah will remove sins, just as a tree sheds its leaves, for any Muslim who is afflicted with sickness or any other tribulation.”” (Bukhaari & Muslim).

 

[Robin_des_Bois]

So neways back to the original post of the title.

Here is a good video with explanation.
youtube.com/watch?v=gIALB9vNdKk

× The death-sickness of the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam was the result of a Jewish conspiracy. This happened because some Jews in Khaybar invited the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam and some of his companions for a meal which they had poisoned. The Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam and his companions began to eat, then, suddenly, he sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam said: “Everybody stop eating, because the food just spoke to me and told me that it was poisoned.” Recalling this whilst on his deathbed, the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam said: “I can still feel the effect of what I ate in Khaybar, therefore, the time for my death time has come.” (Abu Daawood).
× The Prophet’s death-sickness began just after he buried one of his companions. ‘Aa’ishah, may Allaah be pleased with her, said: "The Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam came back from a funeral and found me suffering from a headache. I was saying: ‘Oh my head!’ so the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam said: “Rather, it is my head that aches.” then he said: “What harm would it be to you (i.e., it would be better for you) if you die before me, then I could wash you, shroud you, pray over you and then bury you.” I replied: "I swear by Allaah that if this were to occur then you would come back from my funeral and marry again; so he sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam smiled - and it was at this point that his death-sickness started’ (Ahmad & Ibn Maajah).
'Aa’ishah, may Allaah be pleased with her, said: “I have never seen anyone going through pain which is harsher than that which the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam suffered (during his death sickness).” (Bukhaari & Muslim).

'Abdullaah Ibn Mas’ood, may Allaah be said pleased with him, said: “I went to see the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam (during his death sickness) and found him suffering from intense pain, so I put my hand on him and said: ‘O Messenger of Allaah! Indeed you are suffering from intense pain’ he replied: “Yes, I suffer twice as much as anyone else would.” I asked: ‘Will you get double the reward?’ he replied: “Yes.” Then he said to me: “Allaah will remove sins, just as a tree sheds its leaves, for any Muslim who is afflicted with sickness or any other tribulation.”” (Bukhaari & Muslim).

The account that states he was poisoned by Khaybar states that the Jewish woman said the if Muhammad is not a Prophet, he will get affected by the poison. So either Muhammad is not a Prophet, or the account is wrong.

 

[Celtic_Maiden]

This thread has become boring, as its a Catholic Forum not a Moslem one, would Catholics be allowed this much space to say so much on a Moslem Forum, if you think by all this information we are remotely interested in Islam we are NOT a little information is fine, but that is a lot.

 

[TypesAndShadows]

This thread has become boring, as its a Catholic Forum not a Moslem one, would Catholics be allowed this much space to say so much on a Moslem Forum, if you think by all this information we are remotely interested in Islam we are NOT a little information is fine, but that is a lot.

That’s rather rude. I was just thinking that, although clearly this thread got somewhat acrimonious, it was rather lovely to see several Muslim members of the forum feeling comfortable enough to seek to inform us of their own religious beliefs (which they had been specifically asked about).

If you’re not interested, why on Earth are you in this thread?

One of the things I cherish about Catholic Answers is that, unlike many other religious forums, members of all religions are welcome to speak about their own beliefs. If you only want to read about Catholic beliefs, then the Non-Catholic Religions subforum is probably a place to avoid.

 

[Boulder257]

This thread has become boring, as its a Catholic Forum not a Moslem one, would Catholics be allowed this much space to say so much on a Moslem Forum, if you think by all this information we are remotely interested in Islam we are NOT a little information is fine, but that is a lot.

I have to disagree. I have found it very interesting. I always like to understand the apologetics of the other faiths and this has been educational for me.

 

[Reuben_J]

I think I can learn a lot on topic such as this. It is valuable to me especially when I have to dialogue with Muslims where I hope to present their belief in the way they believe it.

It is interesting to note that there are two schools of thought on the subject of this thread.

 

[dronald]

The account that states he was poisoned by Khaybar states that the Jewish woman said the if Muhammad is not a Prophet, he will get affected by the poison. So either Muhammad is not a Prophet, or the account is wrong.

Muhammad also stated, “Allah will never allow it!”

I bring this up to Muslims all the time, lol.

 

[Christ_is_Risen]

I agree, good thread. The question is about Mohammed, we are getting a nice variety of answers. I know I wouldn’t have access to posters with this kind of knowledge otherwise.

One quick question:

The Sultans of the Ottoman Empire claimed the title of Caliph up until the 1920s. Do any Muslim groups accept that claim? Thanks.

 

[TheSufi]

The account that states he was poisoned by Khaybar states that the Jewish woman said the if Muhammad is not a Prophet, he will get affected by the poison. So either Muhammad is not a Prophet, or the account is wrong.

Or your understanding of the account is incorrect. I am pretty we can come up with other rationales as well.

 

[MissyB786]

This thread has become boring, as its a Catholic Forum not a Moslem one, would Catholics be allowed this much space to say so much on a Moslem Forum, if you think by all this information we are remotely interested in Islam we are NOT a little information is fine, but that is a lot.

hence i suggested famidigy come to sunniforum or islamic-forum.net as I knew this would get complicated to follow for the catholics on here. But famdigy likes to post stuff where no one can challenge it as they don’t have the historical/hadith science knowledge.

 

[MissyB786]

The account that states he was poisoned by Khaybar states that the Jewish woman said the if Muhammad is not a Prophet, he will get affected by the poison. So either Muhammad is not a Prophet, or the account is wrong.

He was a Prophet, but a Prophet is also just a man, not God not invincible, he was given knowledge of the poison before it could kill him when the lady tried to poison him. There were multiple attempts on his life all a failure. And the hadiths says he can still taste the poison, closer to his death but does not mean he died of it. Only God truly knows, he had old age and possibly other causes. These are narrations by people that were with him, so it cannot be confirmed as there was no coroners reports back then.

But again death shouldn’t be a sad thing, it is our return to God. It is only sad for the people left behind.

 

[dronald]

He was a Prophet, but a Prophet is also just a man, not God not invincible, he was given knowledge of the poison before it could kill him when the lady tried to poison him. There were multiple attempts on his life all a failure. And the hadiths says he can still taste the poison, closer to his death but does not mean he died of it. Only God truly knows, he had old age and possibly other causes. These are narrations by people that were with him, so it cannot be confirmed as there was no coroners reports back then.

The Hadith is pretty clear that the poison did in fact eventually kill Muhammad.

Sunan Abu Dawud 4449—Umm Bishr said to the Prophet during the sickness of which he died: What do you think about your illness, Apostle of Allah? I do not think about the illness of my son except the poisoned sheep of which he had eaten with you at Khaibar. The Prophet said: And I do not think about my illness except that. This is the time when it cut off my aorta

Sahih al-bukhari 4428: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at the Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison

Sunan abu dawud 4498 Muhammad then said about the pain which he died: “I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khalbar. This is the time when it has cut off my aorta.”

Also, Muhammad did recognize the poison for two reasons:

1. He could taste it

Sahih al-Bukhari 2617—A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and was asked, “Shall we kill her?” He said, “No.” Anas added: “I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah’s Messenger.”

1. He could feel its effects

Sahih Muslim 5430—A Jewess came to Allah’s Messenger with poisoned mutton and he took of what had been brought to him. (When the effects of this poison were felt by him) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said: Allah will never give you the power to do it.

It wasn’t until after Muhammad and his partners ate it that he was miraculously informed that it was poisoned.

Sunan Abu Dawud 4498—A Jewess presented [Muhammad] at Khaibar a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Apostle of Allah ate of it and the people also ate. He then said: Lift your hands (from eating), for it has informed me that it is poisoned. Bishr b. al-Bara b. Ma’rur al-Ansari died. So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (and said to her): What motivated you to do the work you have done? She said: If you were a prophet, it would not harm you; but if you were a king, I would rid the people of you. The Apostle of Allah then ordered regarding her and she was killed. He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaibar. This is the time when it has cut off my aorta.

 

[TheSufi]

The poison did not have the same effect it would have had on a normal person, which was instant death (as evidence by the companion who was also poisoned and died). God preserved him, and sustained his life 3-7 years after the incident, until he completed his mission, and died when God decreed, not when the Jewish Lady decreed, thus proving that he was indeed a prophet of God.