HOW did Satan and his demons fall when they were angels?

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I’m currently confused about HOW angels fell to begin with…humans were unique because they had free will, right? So then that implies angels do not. Yet they fell? Satan fell and took loads with him but they weren’t supposed to have free will…? Or am i just remembering Supernatural. I always thought us humans were unique because we were given free will. Which led to our fall. But is it moreso that our purpose was different and both had free will - us and angels…?
 
I’m currently confused about HOW angels fell to begin with…humans were unique because they had free will, right? So then that implies angels do not. Yet they fell? Satan fell and took loads with him but they weren’t supposed to have free will…? Or am i just remembering Supernatural. I always thought us humans were unique because we were given free will. Which led to our fall. But is it moreso that our purpose was different and both had free will - us and angels…?
The angels have free will because they are rational beings, and before their fall they also had a state of sanctifying grace. They did not have to fall but choose to.

Catechism of the Catholic Church
414 Satan or the devil and the other demons are fallen angels who have freely refused to serve God and his plan. Their choice against God is definitive. They try to associate man in their revolt against God.
 
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Wow! I never knew. That’s…i can’t comprehend how they could do that but its in essence the same thing we do.
 
The only thing we really know comes from Luke 10:18: Satan “fell like lightning” from the heavens.

We believe they had (and AFAIK still have) free will, such that many willingly chose to side with Satan.

As to metaphysically how this happened (where they were; where they went, etc.),this simply exceeds what we can know or comprehend.
 
Wow! I never knew. That’s…i can’t comprehend how they could do that but its in essence the same thing we do.
Saint Thomas Aquinas writes his opinion in Summa Theologiae, Part I, Question 63. The malice of the angels with regard to sin, Article 3. Whether the devil desired to be as God?
I answer that, Without doubt the angel sinned by seeking to be as God. But this can be understood in two ways: first, by equality; secondly, by likeness. He could not seek to be as God in the first way; because by natural knowledge he knew that this was impossible: …
https://www.newadvent.org/summa/1063.htm#article3
 
Angels are spirit (immaterial) only;
humans are body (material) and spirit/soul (immaterial).
Free will is a power of the spirit/soul, thus both angels and humans have that power.
 
Pretty simple really, they rebelled and refused to obey God.
 
In the angels — different in nature and perfection from all of us — there is, as in us, free will. God has created no one a slave. In the beginning there was in creation only Order. But that Order does not exclude freedom. Rather in that Order is perfect freedom. To be exact, in such order there is not even the fear of an invasion, an intrusion, of the anarchy of other wills which could produce collusion, and ruin that penetrate into the orbit and trajectory of other beings or created things. Thus it was for the whole Universe, before Lucifer abused his own freedom, and with his own will, put into himself the disorder of passions, so as to create disorder in that perfect Order. Had he been all love, he would have had no place in himself for anything that was not love. Instead he had a place for arrogant pride which could be called: the disorder of the intellect.

Would God have been able to hinder this deed? Yes. But, why violate the free will of the most beautiful, most intelligent archangel? Would not He Himself, the Most Just, then have put disorder into His own ordered Thought, by no longer wanting what He had previously wanted: that is, the freedom of the archangel? God does not oppress a troubled spirit in order violently to place it in the impossibility of sinning. Lucifer’s not sinning would then have had no merit. Even for the angels it was necessary “to know how to want the Good” in order to continue to merit enjoying the vision of God, infinite Bliss!

As God had wanted this sublime archangel at His side in His first creative works, and wanted him to know about the future of His creation of love, so God wanted him to know the adorable and sorrowful necessity that his sin would have imposed on God: the Incarnation and Death of a God to counterbalance the ruin from the Sin that would have been created should Lucifer not have conquered pride in himself. Love could not but speak this language. God’s first annihilation is in this act of wanting to bend sweetly, gently , this proud [archangel]; and with the vision of what his pride would have imposed on God, almost imploring him not to sin, and thus bring others to sin. It was an act of love.

Lucifer, already become a Satan, took this act as fear, weakness and an insult, as a declaration of war. And, he stirred up war against the Most Perfect, saying:

"You are? I also am. Whatever You made, it was for me You made it. There is no God. And, if there is a God, I am [he]. I adore myself. I detest You. I refuse to recognize as my Lord One Who does not know how to conquer me. You should not have created me so perfect if You wanted no rivals. Now I am and I am against You. Conquer me, if You can. But, I do not fear You. I, too, will create; and because of me Your Creation will tremble, for I will shake it like a shred of cloud caught by the winds. For I hate You and I want to destroy whatever is Yours, to create upon its ruins that which will be mine. I neither know nor recognize any other power outside of myself. And, I no longer adore, no longer adore , NO LONGER ADORE any other than myself."

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They are absolutely able to repent, but it’s against their nature. Angels are spiritual beings, and so are unaffected by time, unlike us. Angels can’t change the way humans can, their choice was an eternal one. If Satan were to somehow repent, God would immediately forgive him, but he has no desire to as he’s made his eternal choice.
 
Ok, so according to private revelation they underwent a test similar to our own (none of them during this test had the beatific vision). Mary of Agreda (Mystical City of God) says that they saw a vision of God and how he wanted to become human…the angels where asked if they would serve, some did some did not.

those who did serve received the beatific vision, and those who did not received damnation. See revelation chapter 12. If heaven is free of all suffering then how could there be a war in heaven? Its because revelation chapter 12 in my opinion and Mary of Agreda’s is that this chapter actually speaks of the past. Food for thought, hope it helps!
 
Is this specific private revelation Vatican approved? If so cite the documents.
 
If they have free will they must be able to repent otherwise free will has no meaning.
That’s not in the nature of the angelic intellect. Angels operate by infused knowledge. They did not gain knowledge through the senses. They made a free choice based on this infused knowledge at their creation, but unlike humankind they don’t have different appetites pulling their will in one direction one moment and another direction the next. The human intellect becomes similar after death.

Free will isn’t the flitting about from choice to choice and direction to opposite direction over time. It’s simply the self direction of the will based on one’s knowledge. For an aeviternal being like an angel that is once for all. Insofar as an angel self-directed its will based on its knowledge at its creation, it is a being with free will.
 
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If their only knowledge is “infused” then they cannot be morally responsible for their decision. They would basically be robots created by God and their “decisions” based on the one-time knowledge infused by God, with no ability to gain knowledge after being created. Even machine learning is capable of acquiring more knowledge.
Why would infused knowledge make one more or less culpable versus knowledge gained by senses? In either case we’re restricted by conditions, and Angelic knowledge would not be subject to defects the way human knowledge can be. The belief regarding angels is that they were given sufficient knowledge to make their decisions, and furthermore the principle point is that it is the angel’s knowledge and then the angel’s self-direction of its will.
 
The angels are spirits and they were all created at once when God said let their be light! Billions and billions of angels. At first they did not see God as that would have taken away their free will. They were tested. The test most believe evolved around the fact that they were told God was going to create these inferior creatures called man! Man who have bodies. They are so inferior to us angels! Yet God was going to become man! We angels will have to bow down to Jesus and His mother will be Queen of heaven. One third of the angels said hell no! We will not stand for that! Yes they had free will. After the test the good angels got to see God and they no longer have a free will! That is why the devils hate man!
 
The book was originally condemned! But then pope Innocent XI read it himself and rescinded that. Many popes after have declared it acceptable.

http://www.neemcog.com/OfficialPapalApproval.htm

On Jan. 16, 1748, Benedict XIV promulgated a decree in which he declared the Mystical City of God contained nothing contrary to faith or morals.

Clement XIV:
“He who, by whatever rank, dignity or honor he may be invested, presumes to forbid the reading of The Mystical City of God, which has been approved by the Holy See, will be obliged, if required, to make a public retraction.”
 
As always, and which is why I said “private revelation” (but didn’t spell it out) nobody is obliged to believe it. As I’m sure you know, but making it clear for everyone. We are only required to believe public revelation. So it’s kind of a take it or leave it thing. Based on what the Popes have said, I believe this one personally.
 
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