How did the Catholic church start?

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How often do we hear this fabrication?
It is very common in fundamentalist circles.
The ‘ministers’ were priests and they followed ‘rituals’ as given to them by the Apostles. :confused: They were instructed re: salvation through Jesus Christ and baptised by imersion or pouring. (where does this sprinkle come from?)
It comes from the Didache, written about 100 AD. If there is a paucity of water, sprinkling for baptism was permitted. The Didache is one of the earliest documents we have that reflects Apostolic Teaching not found in the NT.

Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism. And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.

“living water” means running water, in a stream or a spring, or a font.

The early fathers saw this passage in Ezek. to be about baptism:

Ezek 36:25-27
25 I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 A new heart I will give you, and a new spirit I will put within you; and I will take out of your flesh the heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to observe my ordinances."

This is one of the main reasons that Catholics consider baptism regenerative.
He gave the Christians the right to worship without percution and was only baptised on his deathbed. Christianity flourished, and was preserving the BIBLE which is used today.
It is true that the Roman Emperor Constantine de-crimminalized Christianity. This is a far cry from making it the required religion, however, and it was for political and economic reasons primarily.
OH, how many times have I heard this quote, and I always think, “What bondage?” If there is, it must be to Christ. 🤷

Kotton 👍
Many people who adhere to this doctrine don’t believe that Christians are to keep the commandments.
 
Yes he did by the History channel for he was head of the Roman Empire from what i understood.

God Bless
No, planter. The Roman Empire and the One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church are two entirely different entities. All Constantine did was legalize Christianity, so that one would not be prosecuted as a crimminal for practicing their faith.
 
and calling it pentecost is like my friends proof that that’s not the Catholic church but the Pentecostal church…so what do I say to that?
Frankly, I can’t think of a thing to say. Such persons have no clue about their own family history. Unless and until such a person is willing to read the Fathers, and become more educated, I am not sure there is anything that can be done. 🤷
 
I know that we say Jesus started the church with Peter, but I came accross this, I was wondering if anyone could tell me where it came from or why someone wrote it…I would think it has some truth or maybe something was misunderstood? I heard that the pentacostal church was the first one, started by Jesus too…soo which is fact?

umm, I found this at this website.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Catholic.html
Our only Father to me is God—Holy Father period. Worship God and no other. 1st. commandment no other gods before me. Jesus worship God only and served God only and did not change any of his laws commandments but was teaching us and taking us to a higher level–spiritual understanding of the laws and commandments. Murder is also to me means crushing ones spirit in their personal belief in God.

Is this not why Jesus was crucified? For Jesus did not go along with the scribes, priest, scholars whom he corrected when questioning bring them to the truth and spiritual understanding of knowing and serving God. Jesus did not change one tittle of God’s laws or commandments given to Moses, but met with Moses and Elijah on the mount where there was eye wittness who testify to this.

Jesus has set us free in deed, we are no longer underbondage to be prescuted by anyone on how as individals choose to practice their faith or belief in serving and worshipping God.

This is why it was written I believe if anyone boast, boast rather of what you have received, for ALL have received! No one can say who is greater than another---- for all have received the grace of God even the Catholic Church! Yes, I am Catholic, but I obey God and worship God only.

God Bless Worship God for only God can make us Holy and Jesus Christ was Choosen to by God to be HIGH PRIEST over his Church ( us) we are his church all who believe in God. God is not a liar. God is not like humans who change their minds.
 
The Catholic Church started when a small group prayed in an upper room, with Peter, and the Holy Spirit came upon them and guided them. We call the event Pentecost.
Actually the Catholic Church started with a visit from Gabriel to Mary… at the incarnation of Jesus Christ Who is the Head of the Church (body of believers), the Perfect Church Herself (not the people in it).
 
and calling it pentecost is like my friends proof that that’s not the Catholic church but the Pentecostal church…so what do I say to that?
so, if the “Church of Christ” faith community, which only adheres to the New Testament, were to tell you that they are the original (because afterall, they call themselves the church of Christ), what would you think.

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I know that we say Jesus started the church with Peter, but I came accross this, I was wondering if anyone could tell me where it came from or why someone wrote it…I would think it has some truth or maybe something was misunderstood? I heard that the pentacostal church was the first one, started by Jesus too…soo which is fact?

umm, I found this at this website.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Catholic.html
No! Constantine did not establish Christinity, “Christ did”! Through his apostles. For there was already built, hundreds of Churches that existed before the Roman Church even was established! Constantine established the Roman Church and stopped the prescution of those other churches that already were long before exstablished.

God Bless
 
It comes from a confused person who ignores the Bible, the basic facts of history, and all the writings of the Early Church Fathers.

Why would they write it? Either true ignorance based on reading other similarly flawed materials or deliberate malice. Don’t know which.
The fact is we have to understand the History of our forefathers. Evidence is being found everyday in the digging up of lost cities recorded in the bible. The facts and proof now being found gives strong evidence spoken of in the OT. Thousand generations before we even existed the Roman Empire. The tomb of King Tut for one.

God Bless
 
so, if the “Church of Christ” faith community, which only adheres to the New Testament, were to tell you that they are the original (because afterall, they call themselves the church of Christ), what would you think.

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The Bible is ONE book. It has a beginning and a end, the book of Revelations. God’s great plan for our salvation started long before the NT were written. Long before we even existed. It is God’s Church, God’s Kingdom long before the Catholic Church existed. Adam, Eve, Enoch, Noe, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,Moses, Holy Prophets, John the Baptised, Jesus Christ etc.

It is not just about the NT but the “Whole story of Creation” since the beginning of the book that we call the Bible. The instructment or tool God uses is not what is important, rather it is that we get the message for our salvation. Jesus also served God and accomplished all that God asked of him, just like Noe, Moses, Abraham was going to scarifice his son, in obedience to God’s will for Abraham believed in God and that God existed!

We are the church of Christ. Do you not know that you are the temple of the Lord? It is not about buildings or cathedarals etc. Worship God, is this not how this all got started, disobedience to God’s commands. Disobedience to the God who created us and all things seen and not seen?

To know God also we have to go to the beginning of creation. For there is also an end. In order to understand the why’s etc we need to have a personal relationship with God. First wanting to know him. Jesus said: “but you do not ask”.

Worship God
 
You don’t. If people insist on being that ignorant, there isn’t much you can do to help them.

I think I’ll call my church the Passover Church-- it’s name proves it started in Egypt and Moses was it’s founder.

See how ridiculous that argument is?

I’m unsure why they would not accept their own denomination’s history-- I posted the link from Oral Roberts University. No one of any integrity would attempt to claim the Pentecostal church started before the early 20th century.
I read through that, and it was talking a lot about it growing, I didn’t really see where it said where the pentecostal church started. Lots of big words and stuff I didn’t understand though so I could have easily missed something.
 
HalfAngel 18, I didn’t want these points to be overlooked.
Furthermore, the practice of calling a priest “father” is forbidden by Jesus Christ in Matthew 23:9. (??? I looked up the verse and it does say that…why DO we call the priests Father?)
St. Paul calls himself “father” in 1 Cor. 4:15. “For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.” That is the sense in which we call priests father – as a term of affection and respect.

Obviously Jesus did not mean literally not to call our biological father “father,” so then what did He mean? He meant we must recognize God as the source of all fatherhood.
There is only ONE mediator between God and men (I Tim. 2:5).
Yes, that’s exactly what the Catholic Church believes. “Christ Jesus [is] the one mediator between God and men,” Catechism of the Catholic Church 1544.

Fundamentalists often confuse Catholic belief, thinking our human priests are somehow considered “different mediators.” They aren’t. Jesus is our sole mediator. “Only Christ is the true priest, the others being only his ministers,” CCC 1545.
 
I read through that, and it was talking a lot about it growing, I didn’t really see where it said where the pentecostal church started. Lots of big words and stuff I didn’t understand though so I could have easily missed something.
Angel you did miss it. When I clicked on the link it took me right to it. 🙂
The first “Pentecostals” in the modern sense appeared on the scene in 1901 in the city of Topeka, Kansas in a Bible school conducted by Charles Fox Parham, a holiness teacher and former Methodist pastor. In spite of controversy over the origins and timing of Parham’s emphasis on glossolalia, all historians agree that the movement began during the first days of 1901 just as the world entered the Twentieth Century. The first person to be baptized in the Holy Spirit accompanied by speaking in tongues was Agnes Ozman, one of Parham’s Bible School students, who spoke in tongues on the very first day of the new century, January 1, 1901. According to J. Roswell Flower, the founding Secretary of the Assemblies of God, Ozman’s experience was the “touch felt round the world,” an event which “made the Pentecostal Movement of the Twentieth Century.”
As a result of this Topeka Pentecost, Parham formulated the doctrine that tongues was the “Bible evidence” of the baptism in the Holy Spirit. He also taught that tongues was a supernatural impartation of human languages (xenoglossolalia) for the purpose of world evangelization. Henceforth, he taught, missionaries need not study foreign languages since they would be able to preach in miraculous tongues all over the world. Armed with this new theology, Parham founded a church movement which he called the “Apostolic Faith” and began a whirlwind revival tour of the American middle west to promote his exciting new experience.
It was not until 1906, however, that Pentecostalism achieved worldwide attention through the Azusa Street revival in Los Angeles led by the African-American preacher William Joseph Seymour. He learned about the tongues-attested baptism in a Bible school that Parham conducted in Houston, Texas in 1905. Invited to pastor a black holiness church in Los Angeles in 1906, Seymour opened the historic meeting in April, 1906 in a former African Methodist Episcopal (AME) church building at 312 Azusa Street in downtown Los Angeles.
What happened at Azusa Street has fascinated church historians for decades and has yet to be fully understood and explained. For over three years, the Azusa Street “Apostolic Faith Mission” conducted three services a day, seven days a week, where thousands of seekers received the tongues baptism. Word of the revival was spread abroad through The Apostolic Faith, a paper that Seymour sent free of charge to some 50,000 subscribers. From Azusa Street Pentecostalism spread rapidly around the world and began its advance toward becoming a major force in Christendom.
The Azusa Street movement seems to have been a merger of white American holiness religion with worship styles derived from the African-American Christian tradition which had developed since the days of chattel slavery in the South. The expressive worship and praise at Azusa Street, which included shouting and dancing, had been common among Appalachian whites as well as Southern blacks. The admixture of tongues and other charisms with black music and worship styles created a new and indigenous form of Pentecostalism that was to prove extremely attractive to disinherited and deprived people, both in America and other nations of the world.
The interracial aspects of the movement in Los Angeles were a striking exception to the racism and segregation of the times. The phenomenon of blacks and whites worshipping together under a black pastor seemed incredible to many observers. The ethos of the meeting was captured by Frank Bartleman, a white Azusa participant, when he said of Azusa Street, “The color line was washed away in the blood.” Indeed, people from all the ethnic minorities of Los Angeles, a city which Bartleman called “the American Jerusalem,” were represented at Azusa Steet.
The place of William Seymour as an important religious leader now seems to be assured. As early as 1972 Sidney Ahlstrom, the noted church historian from Yale University, said that Seymour was “the most influential black leader in American religious history.” Seymour, along with Charles Parham, could well be called the “co-founders” of world Pentecostalism.
When you study the Bible (especially when you do a basic study in Greek from a Strong’s and the Interlinear) and when you study the early Christians and the history of Christianity it’s very clear that the Church was Catholic and had Catholic beliefs.

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Continued from above

In one example St. Ignatius states in his letter to the Symerians in 107 A.D. :
See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out[through their office] the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper(18) Eucharist, which is[administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.
Just as the name Christian developed over time so did the name of the Church. It is good that your friends are challenging you as this encourages you to learn about your faith. 👍

Another really good resource is Bible Christian Society. John has free downloads on their that you can listen to and help you learn to show your Catholics beliefs from the Bible.
 
In the early Church priests were called presbyters (and are called that in the Bible, though some unscrupulous people deliberately mistranslate this as ‘elders’ to pretend the early Church had them) and the Pope was only known as the Bishop of Rome but had the same spiritual power (though the temporal power was very different) and actually lost not gained power from Constantine, as the later Emperors wanted to control the Church for themselves.

In fact if the Catholic Church were created by Constantine then they would have had to forge the many earlier documents proving that the Church was Catholic and if they did that then the Bible cannot be trusted as that wasn’t compiled til 70 years after Constantine’s Edict of Toleration and was compiled by Papal decree.

Earlier people mentioning a special status for either the Bishop of Rome or the Roman Church in the early Church include the following among others:

Pope St Clement (c90AD)
St Ignatius of Antioch (c110AD)
St Irenaeus of Lyon (c180AD)
Pope St Stephen I (c250AD)
St Cyprian of Carthage (c250AD)

with the last three being very very explicit, though St Cyprian of Carthage wrote some very explicitly pro-Papacy writings during the Papacy of St Cornelius but fell out with Stephen and wrote some anti-Papacy pieces, though acknowledging the nature of the Papacy by doing so (he was also reconciled to the Papacy under Pope St Sixtus II’s reign). Also Tertullian the Heretic in about 210AD wrote condemning the Papacy and described the nature of it in doing so
The Catholic Church had to get their information from some where! For the Roman Empire did not exist in the time of Noah, Moses etc. The Catholic Church information had to come from the Hebrews, the Israelites is where they got the OT. Jesus was reading the OT of Moses, Isaiah etc in the Temple. The Catholic Church did not exist at that time! That is why the Romans were presecuting those who believed in God and in Jesus Christ. Herod was the ruler but the Romans ruled over them.

Remember the Roman Empire destroyed the Temple in Jerusaleam, could this be when they got the scriptures.

The bible like you said did not fall from the sky. The Catholic Church would not have the history needed and all that was written in the OT. The Hebrews would have the OT Holy Scriptures that Jesus read aloud in the temple. Even the Holy Prophets writtings.

The Catholic Church was not yet formed. I do not know in what century when Constandine came about, so he had to get the NT gospels from the apostles. They were presecuted by the Roman Empire. Constandine had to get the gospel writtings and knowledge of from somewhere right or by the Churches that already existed that were hidden under ground.

All the apostles where sent to all the nations to spread their gospel of Jesus Christ. This is why the Romans murdered them for their beliefs the last was St. John was sent to prision by the Romans to the island of Patmos, where John wrote the book of Revelations.

John was the last of the apostles left at that time. John was in his old age when he wrote the book of revelations in prision. John by this time had not seen Jesus for at least 65 yrs. John sent his instructions to the church in Philadelphia. That is why in the book of Revelation it mentions only the 7 Churches that existed. Could that be why the Catholic Church is not mentioned because it did not exist at that time yet.It had not been exstablished yet when John was in prision on the island of Patmos, the island was a prison island used by the Roman Empire.

God Bless
 
Planter,
I don’t know about anyone else but I have found your post to be extremely confusing. It sounds like on one hand you are defending the Church on the other hand trying to deny the Church. Pentecost is called the birthday of the Church as that is when the Church officially came into being.

As far as Constantine, he was 4th century. His Edict of Milan was issued in 313 A.D. This was when Constantine made it safe to be a Christian.
 
The article first posted was from a baptist site. Then the discussion headed to Pentecostals. The baptist don’t believe that the charismatic gifts of the Holy Spirit (ie tongues, miracles) still exist, that they ceases with the death of the last apostle or with the writing of the New Testament, while the Pentecostals mentioned seemed to think they are the true church because they have the charismatic gifts which were manifest on Pentecost.

So I am confused on where this thread his heading to.

His Pentecostal friends are trying to argue that they are the true church.
The baptist in the article is trying to argue that the Baptist church is the true church (click on his home page and look at all the different articles provided), yet they disagree very strongly on major beliefs.

The Pentecostal try to claim they are the early church because of “Pentecost” is in their name, while I have seen baptist argue that they are the true church because of John the baptist had “baptist” in his name.

If one is looking to the original true church, wouldn’t you look for a continuous line of succession of it’s leaders?
Popes
Peter’s Successors

Wouldn’t you see a development of doctrine that seems to have continuity?
(An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine
John Henry Newman
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For the first 300 to 400 years of Protestantism, the Protestants claimed that the charismatic gifts disappeared from the time of the apostles. Since they were only found in the Catholic church, they ignored them, but it wasn’t until they began to appear again in protestant churches in the 1800’s and 1900’s that some began to admit that they were still around, and then the fundamentalists began to quote scripture out of context to show that they have ceased. (ie tounges will cease when the perfect is come - with the “perfect” referring to the new testament)
They have always been around in the history of the church, not in the abundant tongue speaking pentecostal churches we see today, but were found occasionally through out the ages.

As for the article I would recommend the book by Karl Keating:
catholicism and fundamentalism

For your pentecostal friends claiming they are the true original church this wikipedia article might help you with the basics.
Pentecostalism

It seems to me that all the other churches which try to claim they are the true original church have a small problem:
They either have a huge gap where they claim the church disappeared, or they have to lay claim to many heretical groups as their lineage.

As for me, I will stick with the proven list of the Bishops of Rome (Apostolic succession), and the development of doctrine which can be proven through the writings of the church fathers and my support of the Catholic church being the original true church.
 
** planter654**, I know that you were saying that surely there is some truth in this article. Often, though not always, the truth is somewhere between two positions. This is one of the cases where the truth is definitely all on one side, however.

I hope that you’ll find my response to this article useful.

The article you linked actually sabotages its claims critically from its own mouth, right in the beginning.
While enduring the early persecutions of the Roman government (65-300 A.D.), most of professing Christianity went through a gradual departure from New Testament doctrine concerning church government, worship and practice.
Just look at this. In one sentence, this Protestant article acknowledges that all the Early Church Fathers, the immediate successors and friends of the disciples who received their doctrine straight from Christ, were pretty much Catholic! In fact, it starts the point of departure from Christian teachings at 65 AD!!! That acknowledges that the entire Early Church was pretty much Catholic right from its origins!

It’s true that it says that this was a gradual process. It probably asserts that because we don’t have testimony from the first century AD about every Catholic doctrine. As we get the records of more and more Church Fathers, the teaching of the Early Church becomes more and more clear. That doesn’t mean that their beliefs were changing- only that our documentation of what they believed has become more thorough.

I find this an amazing and wonderful admission of this article. In order to back its claims, it has to argue that all the Early Christians were pretty much Catholic and falling into paganism, and that therefore nobody had it right after the first apostles died, until the Reformation! It has to say that Jesus initiated a religion and no one followed it properly until the Reformation, 1,500 years after Christianity began. In fact, in view of the fact that the Early Reformers all believed in things like the immaculate conception, the perpetual virginity of Mary, and the authority of a church hierarchy, it’s probable that they’d actually have to say that nobody had it right until the 19th or 20th century.

The admission of this article that the Early Church Fathers were Catholic is enormously destructive to its claims.
Local churches ceased to be autonomous by giving way to the control of “bishops” ruling over hierarchies.
The New Testament also uses the word “bishop” to describe the apostles, and the epistles refer to a church hierarchy on several occasions.
The simple form of worship from the heart was replaced with the rituals and splendor of paganism.
The Old Covenant practice was always very ritualistic. Christianity has also always involved ritual and symbol. Jesus implemented things that carried ritualistic and symbolic significance as well as dynamic spiritual reality, such as baptism and the Eucharist. Those are rituals as well as mighty spiritual realities. Ironically, many Protestant groups now refuse to acknowledge the spiritual power of these sacraments and believe that they are purely symbolic. In other words, they consider them to be only ritual, and practice them as only ritual and as nothing more.
Ministers became “priests,”
Here’s a quote I found from a Catholic who could defend it:
NT texts that address the question of the ministerial priesthood:
At the Last Supper, Jesus instituting the eucharist [Mt, Mk, Lk] referred to its repetition by his apostles. Paul recalled this tradition in 1 Cor 11:23-26.
Acts mentions several times the laying on hands for authorizing special tasks. For example, see 6:6, 13:3,14:23.
Paul recalls his ordination of Timothy. See 2 Tim 1:6,7; 1 Tim 3:1, 4:14. The Council of Trent cited the 2 Timothy text in defending the priesthood against Protestant reformers.
Paul entrusted Titus to appoint priests – see Tit 1:5.
and pagans became “Christians” by simply being sprinkled with water. This tolerance of an unregenerate membership only made things worse.
I have trouble understanding what this point is. The crucial importance of baptism in cleansing a person of sins is clear in many passages of the New Testament. Besides, new believers had to go through a Confirmation process to ensure they knew the doctrines of the Church (a practice now completely rejected in many Protestant denominations), as well as a long waiting period as they adjusted to Christian life and beliefs (could last years), and Church doctrine was enforced on pain of excommunication. Heresies were vigorously fought.
SPRINKLED PAGANISM is about the best definition for Roman Catholicism.
:rolleyes:
 
The Roman Emperor Constantine established himself as the head of the church around 313 A.D.
No, he did not.
Wikipedia:
The reign of Constantine established a precedent for the position of the Christian Emperor in the Church; Constantine considered himself responsible to God for the spiritual health of his subjects, and thus he had a duty to maintain orthodoxy.[139] [140] The emperor ensured that God was properly worshipped in his empire; what proper worship consisted of was for the Church to determine.[141]
Here was all his role in the Council consisted of:
Wikipedia:
for the first time, the Emperor played a role, by calling together the bishops under his authority, and using the power of the state to give the Council’s orders effect.
In fact, the historical time when kings made themselves heads of the church was during the Reformation. The Protestant Reformers supported this practice in exchange for protection from the Inquisition, Papal authority and Catholic monarchs. The princes adopted Protestantism so that they could seize Church revenues and become the sole power in their kingdom, without having to share it.

The Byzantine emperors seem to have been heads of the church in Eastern Christianity, though they never controlled Western Christianity. Their actions were the main precedent for the actions of the Protestant kings and Reformers who broke the order of the church hierarchy in the West.

The Byzantine emperors didn’t make doctrinal changes to Christian practice, that I know of, except when they supported the Patriarch in breaking with Rome over Papal authority. Their practice was very different from that of the Protestant kings. The Protestant rulers made or allowed enormous changes in doctrine in their kingdoms, over time, because Protestantism was so fragmented that they couldn’t have a peaceful kingdom while fighting all the denominations they saw as heretical.
,(who is this Constantine?) which made this new “Christianity” the official religion of the Roman Empire.
True, praise God.
The first actual Pope in Rome was probably Leo I (440-461 A.D.),
This is not true, and the Early Church Fathers have a good deal to say about this. Though as they were pagan, I guess that that doesn’t matter :rolleyes: 😉 :D.
This ungodly system eventually ushered in the darkest period of history known to man, properly known as the “Dark Ages” (500-1500 A.D.). Through popes, bishops, and priests, Satan ruled Europe, and Biblical Christianity became illegal.
“Biblical Christianity,” as it’s now perceived by Protestants, simply never existed. So it was never declared to be illegal. It would have been illegal if it had emerged, and it did become illegal when it finally did emerge (sixteenth century) because it is a heresy! However, it never appeared or existed anywhere in Christian history up to the Reformation, so no one will find any orders from emperors punishing this form of belief, or outlawing or banning it. No one will find any Western kings doing this, and no one will find any documents of Catholic theologians debating against it. That is because it did not even exist. The Early Church Fathers never debated against it either, because it never even existed in their times. In fact, it seems never to have crossed their minds.
Throughout all of this, however, there remained individual groups of true Christians, such as the Waldensens and the Anabaptists who would not conform to the Roman system.
Ha. The Cathars believed that the entire material world was evil, and that Satan and God were essentially equal powers. They also held that marriage was evil, because of its physical side. These were the “true Christians”?

And the Anabaptists only appeared in the sixteenth century. They were severely persecuted by Protestants (on the advice of Luther) as well as by Catholics.

The rest of the article is exclusively focused on the interpretation of some Bible verses. I’ll leave its erroneous statements for others to take apart.

I hope that this will be of some help :).
 
No, planter. The Roman Empire and the One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church are two entirely different entities. All Constantine did was legalize Christianity, so that one would not be prosecuted as a crimminal for practicing their faith.
Thnak you again for correcting me!

God Bless giving in Love
 
Actually the Catholic Church started with a visit from Gabriel to Mary… at the incarnation of Jesus Christ Who is the Head of the Church (body of believers), the Perfect Church Herself (not the people in it).
No it began before you even came to be in God’s great plan of salvation with Adam and Eve there fall!
God Created you and me and the Blessed Virigin Mary! Don’t you think so? remember God choose Mary like he did with Adam Moses Noe etc. He has also choosen created ( wisdom,mind, thought) before they even existed on earth.

God Bless
 
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