The bolded is an overstatement, but generally n_C Christins believe the where 2 or more are together, Christ is there.
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i beg to differ…adventists insist that all “sunday keepers” are doomed…southern baptists want to “convert the jews”(whatever the heck that means), while the few pentacostals that i was unlucky enough to know, claimed that there was no other church as holy as them, because only they had enough fervor(again, whatever the heck that means…lol)…while i cant adress the penacostals further than i already have, i can say with a great deal of certainty that “the dooming of sunday worshippers” is part of the sda core doctrine, and the southern baptists made a nationwide statement concerning their attempted “conversion” of judaism…im sorry, but your state/marriages analogy misses the mark…while there are certainly religious aspects to a wedding…the final authority is civil authority…overarching and unending…fd…
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This is absolutely not true. Most Protestant groups do that believe they alone hold the key to eternal life.
Look at the ten largest denominations and tell me they are exclusive in that sense. It is absolutely not the case.
You mention Adventists, a group so small they do not make the top ten.
You mention Pentecostals, they are probably the exception.
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4Squarebaby
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He mentioned “a” Pentecostal. It is not the position of 4Square, AOG, COGIC or Church of God.
Thre other part about Jews? All of us wish the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, … everybody would join us.
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I’m sorry that’s my fault for the misunderstanding. I should have said just fundamentalists. I don’t know much of the beliefs concerning other religions outside that.
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Post 99 states “Protestant denominations”
Yes, the most exclusive Pentecostals are probably just the smaller oneness Pentecostals. I know AOG, the largest Pentecostal denomination in the world, is not exclusive in that sense.
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ojohn
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And the Pentecostal is steadliy dividing into new groups from 4 square and they certianly belive if u aint talking in tounges you are lacking?
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4Squarebaby
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Lacking what? People are given different gifts. ICFG does not hold that one must have a prayer language as other denominations do. Through or short history there have been up and down times as far as speaking tongues in churches. At the moment we are in a down period and many senior members say I remember when there was so much more and wish that current congregations were like the 50s and 60s.
I understand from a Catholic perspective you see different rites as a weakness, from mine I see competing denominations as a strength.
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jargon631
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hi brian…i respectfully beg to differ…adventism is definatly not a small religion…one also needs to consider the intensity with which they fan the anti-sunday worship flames…please dont take offense brian, bu7t i am basing my opinions on my very real experiences…in all fairness, though, i have to make you aware of the fact that i am a non-christian(deist) and so any assessment of my comments must****** take that fact into account…frederick denison…
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jargon631
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whats wrong with judaism?..or hinduism and (non-fascist) islam?..why does the issue of conversion have to be in the fore-front?..cant different faiths co-exist w/out the need to convert?..fd…:bounce:
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4Squarebaby
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Are you asking what if you made up a faith or do you not know the basics of Christianity and Islam?
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jargon631
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huh?..what faith did i make up?..that doesnt make any sense…i do understand the basics and if i were talking to a muslim, i would be saying the same thing…fd
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CHESTERTONRULES
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We are seeking truth.
When contradictions are apparent, truth is being subjugated one way or another.
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or the seeker is conflicted in his/her understanding…fd…
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Ridgerunner
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I have not read every post, so please ignore this if it’s redundant.
Having heard Protestants heatedly dispute differences in belief to the point of declaring each other “hell bound” and such, I have a lot of difficulty agreeing with the OP. Differences that may seem minute to some have a major meaning to some of the various churches. I know that where I live, non-denominational churches spring up like mushrooms after a spring rain, and those schisms are all based on some different interpretation of something in the bible. Maybe they really don’t seem major to me, but they do to them, and they’re sufficiently significant to them to prevent them from finding any affiliation to which they feel they can adhere.
There are lots of dissident Catholics, and there’s no denying that. But there is not a lot of dispute over what the Church actually teaches, because it has documented it in great detail. One can criticize the Catholic Church for excess in that regard, I suppose, but one can look in vain forever for what, e.g., the Southern Baptist churches hold, beyond a very small core of beliefs. Beyond that minimalist formulation, it’s just whatever anyone wants to believe. Look it up, their core beliefs are very thin, but the differences that are outside the core beliefs are potentially massive, presumably based on the bible, and are the very thing that causes schisms.
I have, in the past, become a participant in Protestant “church fights” and they’re anything but pretty, because they’re usually about who gets the church building and who has to leave and go build their own. It gets very tricky, because what might seem to some to be very small doctrinal differences are often that which determines the outcome of who is a member of the church and who isn’t. And all of them are supposedly based on inerrant scripture.
I remember one in which, for example, the dispute was over whether the bible allowed for musical instruments to be played with congregational singing and, if so, what kind. Of course, that was between two competing versions of the Church of Christ, whose individual churches claim to be non-denominational anyway. Each had its own biblical authority for its proposition, and the conflict was heartfelt. As it turned out, one was insufficiently faithful to the seeming intention of its local founders who donated the land on which the church was built, and had to pack up and ship out.
I have heard Protestants of one kind declare other kinds to be “cults”, by which they mean essentially pagan and condemned by God. Many Protestant divisions are no joke.
Having heard Protestants heatedly dispute differences in belief to the point of declaring each other “hell bound” and such, I have a lot of difficulty agreeing with the OP. Differences that may seem minute to some have a major meaning to some of the various churches. I know that where I live, non-denominational churches spring up like mushrooms after a spring rain, and those schisms are all based on some different interpretation of something in the bible. Maybe they really don’t seem major to me, but they do to them, and they’re sufficiently significant to them to prevent them from finding any affiliation to which they feel they can adhere.
There are lots of dissident Catholics, and there’s no denying that. But there is not a lot of dispute over what the Church actually teaches, because it has documented it in great detail. One can criticize the Catholic Church for excess in that regard, I suppose, but one can look in vain forever for what, e.g., the Southern Baptist churches hold, beyond a very small core of beliefs. Beyond that minimalist formulation, it’s just whatever anyone wants to believe. Look it up, their core beliefs are very thin, but the differences that are outside the core beliefs are potentially massive, presumably based on the bible, and are the very thing that causes schisms.
I have, in the past, become a participant in Protestant “church fights” and they’re anything but pretty, because they’re usually about who gets the church building and who has to leave and go build their own. It gets very tricky, because what might seem to some to be very small doctrinal differences are often that which determines the outcome of who is a member of the church and who isn’t. And all of them are supposedly based on inerrant scripture.
I remember one in which, for example, the dispute was over whether the bible allowed for musical instruments to be played with congregational singing and, if so, what kind. Of course, that was between two competing versions of the Church of Christ, whose individual churches claim to be non-denominational anyway. Each had its own biblical authority for its proposition, and the conflict was heartfelt. As it turned out, one was insufficiently faithful to the seeming intention of its local founders who donated the land on which the church was built, and had to pack up and ship out.
I have heard Protestants of one kind declare other kinds to be “cults”, by which they mean essentially pagan and condemned by God. Many Protestant divisions are no joke.
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Ridgerunner
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Nevertheless (and it’s one of my favorite things to do) if you hand most Protestants a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, they won’t actually find all that much with which to disagree, except for Church structure and the precise meaning and effect of some (but not all) of the sacraments.Many Protestents are united in their deep fear of Catholocism. It isn’t so much as they hate the Church, but it is a fear of what they think it represents. I know Protestants who truly believe that the Pope is the anti-christ. I don’t know many Protestants at all who would say that the Pope is right. So they are united in fear and misunderstanding.
If you take 90% (probably more) of what the Pope says, most Protestants wouldn’t disagree with it unless they knew it came from the Pope. Some wouldn’t even disagree with it if they knew that’s who said it.
The term “Protestant” itself is derivative. It defines one as a Christian who disagrees with the Catholic Church in some respects not immediately specified.
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