How do catholic women or men justify their consciences with using contraception?

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Suslar,

We would all appreciate it if you would stop responding to Shelby. Some of us have come to the conclusion that she appears to be a troll or at the very least enjoying trolling this and other threads. If you don’t feed her, she’ll go away. Thanks! 🙂
 
Suslar,

We would all appreciate it if you would stop responding to Shelby. Some of us have come to the conclusion that she is a troll or at the very least enjoying trolling this and other threads. If you don’t feed her, she’ll go away. Thanks! 🙂
Thank you
 
Suslar,

We would all appreciate it if you would stop responding to Shelby. Some of us have come to the conclusion that she appears to be a troll or at the very least enjoying trolling this and other threads. If you don’t feed her, she’ll go away. Thanks! 🙂
No trolling, but no agreeing or brain washing, and only on this thread, no others. please check. It is because I don’t agree with these posters, which again I admit might lead me to hell, they want me to stop. I don’t condone or teach what I believe, yet they cannot deal with my not coming around to their way of thinking just because they claim it as truth, I have only said I am a sinner that cannot, for some reason, believe or agree with this ONE point of the church so they think I am the worst person ever. If I could lie in good faith, I would, but I cannot. Listen to their post and end all this.Then they will believe anything they say is right.
 
Suslar,

The member is back writing again. Please ignore. Please do not pick up the bait. Thank you!
 
Suslar,

The member is back writing again. Please ignore. Please do not pick up the bait. Thank you!
You need to be nice. The OP asked a question and Shelby answered it. I don’t think she is a troll at all.
 
Kindness and niceness are not the same thing.

Kindness is doing what is best for the good of another’s soul.

Niceness is not being “mean”.
 
You need to be nice. The OP asked a question and Shelby answered it. I don’t think she is a troll at all.
Thank you. In my opinion this a huge issue (“problem”) for the Catholic church and when some people cannot convince you to change they they lash out, twist words, and call you a troll. It is no wonder people don’t answer questions like this, only the ones that want to use it as a thread to condemn others.
 
You need to be nice. The OP asked a question and Shelby answered it. I don’t think she is a troll at all.
Actually, Shelby never answered the OP’s question. We determined many pages back that this is why people keep engaging her. She never gives any justification for her personal choice. She just keeps saying she disagrees with this one thing which is also false as disagreeing with this requires disagreeing with the foundation of Catholicism as evidenced by her calling it “brain washing” to submit to the Church.
 
Actually, Shelby never answered the OP’s question. We determined many pages back that this is why people keep engaging her. She never gives any justification for her personal choice. She just keeps saying she disagrees with this one thing which is also false as disagreeing with this requires disagreeing with the foundation of Catholicism as evidenced by her calling it “brain washing” to submit to the Church.
Fist of all, I did answer the question, of course not the way you want it answered. I told you my marriage would have ended because my husband did not want anymore children, did not want to do NFP (as we did it to try to have children() and would not tolerate abstaining, but it was still MY choice, he did not force me. I said I had a decision to make and I did. You can judge me all you want and feel good about!

To people like you( the “we” you indicated) there is not justification, so there no good answers but yours and when you don’t get it, you get ugly and lie, how very Christian of you. If you don’t want to engage me than don’t tell lies, counting on that a poster hasn’t read all the post. Stop and end it!!!

Suslar brought up the fact that I brought my marriage into but I did to better clarify my situation. She said I implied that my children were a financial drain on me, which I found repulsive at best. Was I open to having another child of my own no? Any more children that I have will be adopted, not because I don’t want to be pregnant again ( I loved being pregnant, morning sickness and all) but because their are way too many children already alive that desperately need homes and families. Now I bet you are thinking I am not a good enough person to do that because I don’t agree with this ONE point of the Catholic church. You can think anything you want about me, but I am going to defend myself when you post lies.

There are people like you judging others, call it helping, guiding, kindness, niceness, spin into any pretty little thing you want, it is JUDGING. The OP asked a question and what you didn’t like was that someone answered it in a way YOU didn’t like. I am not promoting or encouraging my opinion or saying the catholic church is wrong in any way at all. The moderators on this site are very good and if I had they would have closed the post already. This is a huge issue in the Catholic church and one I have no idea how they should handle. People are living over issues like this; married couples that have been in the church all their lives. Women are having abortions over using BC.

Let me ask you, the world is never going to be the way you want it and you can judge and preach all all day long, but have you ever held a new born addicted to crack, who will be a drug addict all their life? Have you ever seen or read reports on a child sexually and physically abused at the hands of there parents, or the ones that are killed by there parents? Have you ever met a mother that accidentally got pregnant using I NFP when she couldn’t handle anymore children only to become an alcoholic or mentally ill only to destroy the entire family? My husband works in the crime lab or one of the nations worst crime cities, so I have!

Those who only go to “pure movies”, they don’t watch TV or they only watch wholesome shows, and they only associate with others just like themselves. You know what that tells me? It tell me those people are not coming down off their high horse and going out and helping the really troubled people in this world, hookers, drug addicts, criminals, that what it tells me. Some people should not be parents! At least if we want children to stop being murdered!
 
Fist of all, I did answer the question, of course not the way you want it answered. I told you my marriage would have ended because my husband did not want anymore children, did not want to do NFP (as we did it to try to have children() and would not tolerate abstaining, but it was still MY choice, he did not force me. I said I had a decision to make and I did. You can judge me all you want and feel good about!

To people like you( the “we” you indicated) there is not justification, so there no good answers but yours and when you don’t get it, you get ugly and lie, how very Christian of you. If you don’t want to engage me than don’t tell lies, counting on that a poster hasn’t read all the post. Stop and end it!!!

Suslar brought up the fact that I brought my marriage into but I did to better clarify my situation. She said I implied that my children were a financial drain on me, which I found repulsive at best. Was I open to having another child of my own no? Any more children that I have will be adopted, not because I don’t want to be pregnant again ( I loved being pregnant, morning sickness and all) but because their are way too many children already alive that desperately need homes and families. Now I bet you are thinking I am not a good enough person to do that because I don’t agree with this ONE point of the Catholic church. You can think anything you want about me, but I am going to defend myself when you post lies.

There are people like you judging others, call it helping, guiding, kindness, niceness, spin into any pretty little thing you want, it is JUDGING. The OP asked a question and what you didn’t like was that someone answered it in a way YOU didn’t like. I am not promoting or encouraging my opinion or saying the catholic church is wrong in any way at all. The moderators on this site are very good and if I had they would have closed the post already. This is a huge issue in the Catholic church and one I have no idea how they should handle. People are living over issues like this; married couples that have been in the church all their lives. Women are having abortions over using BC.

Let me ask you, the world is never going to be the way you want it and you can judge and preach all all day long, but have you ever held a new born addicted to crack, who will be a drug addict all their life? Have you ever seen or read reports on a child sexually and physically abused at the hands of there parents, or the ones that are killed by there parents? Have you ever met a mother that accidentally got pregnant using I NFP when she couldn’t handle anymore children only to become an alcoholic or mentally ill only to destroy the entire family? My husband works in the crime lab or one of the nations worst crime cities, so I have!

Those who only go to “pure movies”, they don’t watch TV or they only watch wholesome shows, and they only associate with others just like themselves. You know what that tells me? It tell me those people are not coming down off their high horse and going out and helping the really troubled people in this world, hookers, drug addicts, criminals, that what it tells me. Some people should not be parents! At least if we want children to stop being murdered!
FYI, there is nothing wrong with judging as long as you apply the same standard to yourself that you apply to others.

Here is a good link to explain: cfirecm.com/QandA/Judge%20Not%20Lest%20Ye%20Be%20Judged.htm
 
Kindness and niceness are not the same thing.

Kindness is doing what is best for the good of another’s soul.

Niceness is not being “mean”.
It is not kind to tell someone to ignore someone else. I don’t really think that is what is best for another’s soul. Other than that I think all the explanations that have been presented here have been spot on.

I don’t think it is right - what Shelby is doing. I just don’t see that she is trying to pull others over to her way and to get others to ignore the truth about contraception. That is what I understand a troll to be.

And you are right Kelly, the question was not exactly answered, but I don’t think Shelby has that kind of answer. She can’t really justify something because she hasn’t gotten that far. She doesn’t believe it for some reason.

All I can say, Shelby, is that sometimes we don’t “see”, we don’t “understand”, something until a much later time. It’s like my 15 year old son who doesn’t know why he can’t go see R rated movies. He is too young to understand what they will do to his soul. He has to trust me and try to understand. Eventually he will.

If you pray and ask God to help you see, maybe that will work. Really, truly, be open to the truth. I know you likened that (in some way) to a cult but there really is not the same affect here. If you follow the rule on contraception, you are not going to do anything negative. It is not like you are being asked to drink kool aid and you are going to be left dead. After all, there are people who do not believe in God at all and use NFP. They are no worse off for following it.

Sorry to compare you to a teenager, but that is the only analogy I could come up with.
 
It uses up a lot of this forum’s bandwidth, arguing with people who just want to argue. It’s different if someone is really struggling with an issue, but the stubborn and provocative responses to sincere concerned members is a huge warning flag - I’ve seen the like many, many times. That’s why I advise to stop responding, because all that happens is more arguments. But, everyone has their own take on it.

🤷
 
It uses up a lot of this forum’s bandwidth, arguing with people who just want to argue. It’s different if someone is really struggling with an issue, but the stubborn and provocative responses to sincere concerned members is a huge warning flag - I’ve seen the like many, many times. That’s why I advise to stop responding, because all that happens is more arguments. But, everyone has their own take on it.

🤷
I couldn’t agree more with you. Especially since many posters, pretty much anybody on the other side of their argument have been labled judgemental and worse! 😦 I have been following this thread and I think you and others have laid out the Church position exceptionally! Your position echoes the Church as one of concern for souls. I think that shows by your well thought through replies. 👍

Peace, Mark
 
To say that contraception and abortion are “okay” is to implicitly say that not everyone born on the earth is loved or willed by God - that God could mistakenly create someone whom He does not love, and that it is up to us humans to ensure that He doesn’t accidentally create someone that He doesn’t love, by using the right kind of drugs, surgery, or prophylactic device.

But if we say that God loves everyone, and that He has created every individual on purpose and for His purpose, then neither birth control nor abortion make any sense.
 
Actually, Shelby never answered the OP’s question. We determined many pages back that this is why people keep engaging her. She never gives any justification for her personal choice. She just keeps saying she disagrees with this one thing which is also false as disagreeing with this requires disagreeing with the foundation of Catholicism as evidenced by her calling it “brain washing” to submit to the Church.
Wow, went out of town and thought this thread would be done. Some very harsh posters on this one. Shelby answered the question as best she could and seemed honest about her situation. I have read all the post, so tell me where she said she was right, tried to convert anyone to her way of thinking, thinks should be forgiven, etc. I think you are interpreting it in your own way to help your cause or just being spoiled that she has not just all of a sudden come around. I find it very sad how some have restated her position. Very. How many of you had to make the decisions she did; it is not so cut and dry. Is she suppose to just continue to beat herself up like you are for the rest of your life? In time hopefully she will she the light, but some of you could run the most devout Catholic screaming out of the faith. Do you really believe you are being good Catholic by what you are saying? Again she has never stated she was right or that any of you were wrong. You can tell yourselves what ever you want, but you are not being good practicing Catholic.
 
I couldn’t agree more with you. Especially since many posters, pretty much anybody on the other side of their argument have been labled judgemental and worse! 😦 I have been following this thread and I think you and others have laid out the Church position exceptionally! Your position echoes the Church as one of concern for souls. I think that shows by your well thought through replies. 👍

Peace, Mark
I understand what both you and RJ are saying and I do agree to some extent. I just think sometimes people just don’t see it no matter how many times you explain it because they are just not ready. Maybe something is blocking their understanding. Maybe you are right then, that there is no reason to continue explaining. I just don’t think that makes that person a troll.
 
I understand what both you and RJ are saying and I do agree to some extent. I just think sometimes people just don’t see it no matter how many times you explain it because they are just not ready. Maybe something is blocking their understanding. Maybe you are right then, that there is no reason to continue explaining. I just don’t think that makes that person a troll.
I don’t believe I’ve called anybody a troll. Not sure where you got that from. I’m just saying that the Church position was explained very well on this thread. And their concern, in my humble opinion, (whatever that’s worth) has always appeared to me anyway, to be for the well being of souls and for whoever else that may stumble onto this thread, and seek the ***truth ***of the matter.

Peace, Mark
 
I understand what both you and RJ are saying and I do agree to some extent. I just think sometimes people just don’t see it no matter how many times you explain it because they are just not ready. Maybe something is blocking their understanding. Maybe you are right then, that there is no reason to continue explaining. I just don’t think that makes that person a troll.
No one can judge another or say anything unless they have walked in there shoes. Even then one cannot judge. I would hope that this thread would be closed soon! My take is only God knows what is in a person’s heart and what they are going through. Yes sin is sin but sometimes a person has to take the lesser of the two evils when there is no other option. That goes for anything! St. Paul has said this. Only God knows what is in a person’s heart and why they did the things that they do.
 
It uses up a lot of this forum’s bandwidth, arguing with people who just want to argue. It’s different if someone is really struggling with an issue, but the stubborn and provocative responses to sincere concerned members is a huge warning flag - I’ve seen the like many, many times. That’s why I advise to stop responding, because all that happens is more arguments. But, everyone has their own take on it.

🤷
I am sorry, even though I believe in the Church teaching on this subject, you do not come across as a concerned member at all. You come across as completely and totally judgmental and not at all Christ like. You can tell yourself whatever gets you through the day, but you do not in anyway, shape or form come across as a christian defend their church. I hope you are not so unmerciful on all your post as I see you post quiet often.:confused:
 
How do catholic women or men justify their consciences with using contraception?
If you are told at age 25 that you have the worst circulation your doctor has seen in a woman your age and that you can either take care of the two children you have or have more children and risk a fatal blood clot what would your decision be?
 
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