How do churches that claim to follow scripture justify supporting SSM?

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I’m sure if you look at the bible ,God has done exactly that.
but that I don’t believe is happening. my point is I feel its immoral acts that they are doing.(aside the babies, God bless there souls). God gave them free will, and then they fall into these traps and presto, they have struck an accord with the father of all lies. so as a Cristian/Catholic a human being, I go to advise them on the moral way.
you can split hairs all you like, but the I believe that that is one of the reasons, I also believe its not in the bible/scriptural.
 
Doormouse said:
I’m sure if you look at the bible ,God has done exactly that.
but that I don’t believe is happening. my point is I feel its immoral acts that they are doing.(aside the babies, God bless there souls). God gave them free will, and then they fall into these traps and presto, they have struck an accord with the father of all lies. so as a Cristian/Catholic a human being, I go to advise them on the moral way.
you can split hairs all you like, but the I believe that that is one of the reasons, I also believe its not in the bible/scriptural.
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So the women who get HIV from their infected husbands are doing immoral acts?
 
estesbob said:
But what difference does it make? I believe I was born an alcoholic but that does not give me free reign to get drunk.
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I know what you mean but society, not spirit filled Christians, are gobbling that line up more and more.

it does need to debunked. It is very alluring, the idea of fallen man because of sin comes damaged genes and disease and deformity. We are off the mark of once owned perfection.Yet we and God fixes some of these abnormalities. Could some babies be so wacked out due to the fall that there sex is messed up, where an operation fixes it ? I know these are rare and am not applying that to 99%f homosexuals or crossovers. But it is something to think about. Otherwise what, they have a demon at three years old, when they start exhibiting “strange” behavior ? Not sure how to combat that one, where kids at early age exhibit cross gender tendencies.

Blessings
 
RedFox0456 said:
Well that’s a lot of hogwash. We are told in the New Testament that not all laws of the Old Covenant were binding on us - only the laws of the Spirit. Now, this does open the door to which Old Testament laws pertain to the Spirit, but Paul does point some of these things out directly - such as homosexuality. Now, if you aren’t a believer then this is a moot point. But if you are a believer, then this should be pretty binding. Although Paul isn’t Jesus, Christians, and more specifically Protestants, tend to have this sola scriptura business going.

We also still don’t really understand the biology or psychology of homosexuality. People still don’t know if it’s biological (the “gay gene” has never been found), or if it is environmentally caused, or some mixture of the two. From a purely scientific standpoint, this would be considered abnormal, as a small portion of the population presents with these inclinations, and since the act prohibits one’s DNA from being passed down the generations. We can talk artificial insemination and surrogate mothers all we want, but those are a medical fix for the situation and hardly a naturally occurring phenomenon that would have countered this throughout the ages.

Lastly, let’s look at the words of Jesus himself on marriage to illuminate if He thought marriage was for everyone.

Looks like Jesus is saying there are some people who are not meant for marriage. Either through birth (I was born this way), because others made them that way (environmental causes), or due to self-imposed celibacy. This is, of course, immediately following his discourse about how marriage is between a man and a woman and how divorce is wrong and was only permitted to Israel by Moses because of the hardness of their hearts.
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I totally agree!
 
RedFox0456 said:
Looks like Jesus is saying there are some people who are not meant for marriage. Either through birth (I was born this way), because others made them that way (environmental causes), or due to self-imposed celibacy. This is, of course, immediately following his discourse about how marriage is between a man and a woman and how divorce is wrong and was only permitted to Israel by Moses because of the hardness of their hearts.
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There are also probably a lot of heterosexual people who are not meant for marriage, too, because they are not fit to be good parents. They should just remain celibate.
 
sorry forgot to add…

Jesus Christ makes you WHOLE , not any other way… for them to say scripture says the opposite is not of Jesus Christ.
 
Thorolfr said:
There are also probably a lot of heterosexual people who are not meant for marriage, too, because they are not fit to be good parents. They should just remain celibate.
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Who will decide that they are unfit to be good parents?
 
Tomdstone said:
Who will decide that they are unfit to be good parents?
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LOL…I guess we’ll have to have more rigorous testing before someone can get a marriage license, at least as rigorous as getting a driver’s license. Each state can have a Department of Marriage just like we have Departments of Motor Vehicles and everyone will have to be tested for emotional maturity, parenting skills, etc. 😃
 
Thorolfr said:
LOL…I guess we’ll have to have more rigorous testing before someone can get a marriage license, at least as rigorous as getting a driver’s license. Each state can have a Department of Marriage just like we have Departments of Motor Vehicles and everyone will have to be tested for emotional maturity, parenting skills, etc. 😃
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I am not sure that I would trust an American state to determine whether or not someone has parenting skills.
 
Thorolfr said:
There are also probably a lot of heterosexual people who are not meant for marriage, too, because they are not fit to be good parents. They should just remain celibate.
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Brings to mind the reality that marriage is a vocation, not a right. Not everyone is called to it. Demanding marriage as a right, or carelessly entering into it without discernment, leads to bad parenting.

A person addicted to drugs or grossly immature may not even hear the voice of God, let alone respond to it. God may be calling them to mature and attain a sober place before being parents. Or God may be calling them to something other than marriage.

In any case, if a person insists on following their desires and self-bestowed rights, the results are what they are.

The family suffers as an institution.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
It’s ALL about how we interpret the Scriptures. The school of Shammai vs the school of Hillel. It’s the way we’ve done this for centuries. And it’s perfectly fine.
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Yes that pretty much wraps up what it’s all about.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
It’s ALL about how we interpret the Scriptures. The school of Shammai vs the school of Hillel. It’s the way we’ve done this for centuries. And it’s perfectly fine.
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No, it’s not all about how we interpret the scriptures.
Scripture must interpreted, but scripture is not necessary to have a common sense of what we might call “the good”. Scripture is one way God reveals himself.

For instance:
The killing of innocents harms the victim and society. Do we need scripture interpretation to have a common sense of this? Or can this be commonly observed by sane people?

Christ himself appeals to our senses repeatedly in the Gospel:
We are urged to have “eyes to see” and “ears to hear”…etc…
 
Doormouse said:
sorry forgot to add…

Jesus Christ makes you WHOLE , not any other way… for them to say scripture says the opposite is not of Jesus Christ.
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Who says that we are not made whole?
It is also true, however, that “…since the fall of Adam all men begotten in the natural way are born with sin, that is, without the fear of God, without trust in God, and with 2] concupiscence; and that this disease, or vice of origin, is truly sin, even now condemning and bringing eternal death upon those not born again through Baptism and the Holy Ghost.” -Augsburg Confession.

Jon
 
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