How do I choose a Church?

[awantz]

It would be nice if you said exactly which previous post.

Post # 272

 

[Kay_Cee]

Post # 272

That’s one of jmcrae’s posts, not yours.

 

[awantz]

That’s one of jmcrae’s posts, not yours.

I’m sorry it is the one below it, 273.

 

[Kay_Cee]

Thanks for clearing that up.

That may be one way to do it, but it is not the only way. Since Jesus died on the cross, the curtain has been torn and we’ve been given the ability to go directly to God and confess our sins directly to Him.

I quoted you so we can see the post.

Here is what I see as the problem. You still haven’t shown where scripture supports the bolded portion. Scripture shows the curtain torn, *but nowhere does it relate that action to any ability to go directly to God and confess our sins directly to Him. *

You said you got this idea from a website. Where in the world did the folks who run this website get that idea? They certainly didn’t get it from scripture, since scripture says no such thing. I don’t see how anyone can get that from the text without reading a pre-conceived notion into it.

So why should I believe it?

 

[awantz]

Thanks for clearing that up.

I quoted you so we can see the post.

Here is what I see as the problem. You still haven’t shown where scripture supports the bolded portion. Scripture shows the curtain torn, but nowhere does it relate that action to any ability to go directly to God and confess our sins directly to Him.

You said you got this idea from a website. Where in the world did the folks who run this website get that idea? They certainly didn’t get it from scripture, since scripture says no such thing. I don’t see how anyone can get that from the text without reading a pre-conceived notion into it.

So why should I believe it?

Like I said before it comes from a Bible scholar program. They research the meanings of the words in the language they were written in.

 

[AlegreFe]

Peace and blessings Sandy, have you done specifically what you suggest i do? or do you have a hidden motive?

What hidden motive could I possibly have? I don’t know what you mean.

Hi trying to save some time but am not real good at driving web pages.
How do i context the advanced search?

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[jmcrae]

Like I said before it comes from a Bible scholar program. They research the meanings of the words in the language they were written in.

I asked before how having a Bible Scholar program is any different than having a Pope, since both rely on human opinions (one of which was an authority given to us by God in the same way that He gives us parents, governments, and bosses, and one of which was self-authorized - I leave it to you to guess which is which).

As was pointed out above, there is nothing in the Scriptures to signify that the rending of the temple veil has anything to do with Confession of sins, so the question remains, how did the Bible Scholar guy come up with that idea?

 

[Kay_Cee]

Like I said before it comes from a Bible scholar program. They research the meanings of the words in the language they were written in.

That’s all well and good, but the passages about the tearing of the curtain say absolutely nothing about the confessing of sins:

Matthew 27:51
At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split.

Mark 15:38
The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.

Luke 23:45
And the curtain of the temple was torn in two.

Nor do the verses before and after these say anything about the confessing of sins.

So what is the rationale of these Bible scholars for saying it has to do with the way we should confess our sins? The words “sin” and “confess” aren’t there at all, so why should I believe them?

It sure looks to me like they had a pre-conceived notion and then went looking for verses to support their idea–even though that idea is nowhere stated in those verses.

 

[emeraldisle]

Here is what I see as the problem. You still haven’t shown where scripture supports the bolded portion. Scripture shows the curtain torn, but nowhere does it relate that action to any ability to go directly to God and confess our sins directly to Him.

Please see the following Scripture re going directly to God to confess our sins.

I acknowledged my sin to You, and my iniquity I have not hidden. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,” and You forgave the iniquity of my sin. Psalm 32:5

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[jmcrae]

Please see the following Scripture re going directly to God to confess our sins.

I acknowledged my sin to You, and my iniquity I have not hidden. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,” and You forgave the iniquity of my sin. Psalm 32:5

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This is a Psalm of David. David confessed his sin to the prophet Nathan before being forgiven of it by God.

 

[Steven_John]

He is called “Father” because he is the “head” of the spiritual household that is the parish. Not because he is wiser or more spiritual than anyone else in the parish.

If a blind man leads men into holes where will the less wise lead the wise?

How did the pharosices and sadicies do before the spiritually aware wise messenger?

who would you choose as you head?

With love peace be with you and yours

 

[jmcrae]

If a blind man leads men into holes where will the less wise lead the wise?

How did the pharosices and sadicies do before the spiritually aware wise messenger?

who would you choose as you head?

With love peace be with you and yours

And should I take advice from someone who can’t even spell?

 

[Steven_John]

What hidden motive could I possibly have? I don’t know what you mean.
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   Ta Sandy,
   was burried and felt i was being kept busy, i am a slow reader.
   Peace and blessings

 

[emeraldisle]

This is a Psalm of David. David confessed his sin to the prophet Nathan before being forgiven of it by God.

I acknowledged my sin to You, and my iniquity I have not hidden. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,” and You forgave the iniquity of my sin. Psalm 32:5

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[Steven_John]

And should I take advice from someone who can’t even spell?

Did not offer you any advice, was just offering questions, you are right by many wen you see only educated people belong to God.
oops sorry now i am digging t you.
Please forgive me

Buy asking people questions i learn. my English is poor and i dont do it well my keyboard misses keys and adds some too it is sick.

sorry for any upsetting i did to you peace be with s all

 

[jmcrae]

I acknowledged my sin to You, and my iniquity I have not hidden. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,” and You forgave the iniquity of my sin. Psalm 32:5

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Yes, he confessed to the Lord when he was with Nathan the prophet.

Just as a Catholic confesses to God in the Confessional with the priest.

 

[emeraldisle]

Yes, he confessed to the Lord when he was with Nathan the prophet.

So are **you **saying that David confessed his sin to the LORD through Nathan?

But God has revealed to us in His written word that David confessed his sin to Him.

I acknowledged my sin to You, and my iniquity I have not hidden. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,” and You forgave the iniquity of my sin. Psalm 32:5

Who should I believe you or God??

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[awantz]

I asked before how having a Bible Scholar program is any different than having a Pope, since both rely on human opinions (one of which was an authority given to us by God in the same way that He gives us parents, governments, and bosses, and one of which was self-authorized - I leave it to you to guess which is which).

As was pointed out above, there is nothing in the Scriptures to signify that the rending of the temple veil has anything to do with Confession of sins, so the question remains, how did the Bible Scholar guy come up with that idea?

Like I said before it’s the same.

Matt. 27:51-56

The rending of the veil signified that Christ, by his death, opened a way to God. We have an open way through Christ to the throne of grace, or mercy-seat now, and to the throne of glory hereafter. When we duly consider Christ’s death, our hard and rocky hearts should be rent; the heart, and not the garments. That heart is harder than a rock that will not yield, that will not melt, where Jesus Christ is plainly set forth crucified. The graves were opened, and many bodies of saints which slept, arose. To whom they appeared, in what manner, and how they disappeared, we are not told; and we must not desire to be wise above what is written. The dreadful appearances of God in his providence, sometimes work strangely for the conviction and awakening of sinners. This was expressed in the terror that fell upon the centurion and the Roman soldiers. We may reflect with comfort on the abundant testimonies given to the character of Jesus; and, seeking to give no just cause of offence, we may leave it to the Lord to clear our characters, if we live to Him. Let us, with an eye of faith, behold Christ and him crucified, and be affected with that great love wherewith he loved us. But his friends could give no more than a look; they beheld him, but could not help him. Never were the horrid nature and effects of sin so tremendously displayed, as on that day when the beloved Son of the Father hung upon the cross, suffering for sin, the Just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God. Let us yield ourselves willingly to his service. #Matt. 27:57-61

 

[Kay_Cee]

Please see the following Scripture re going directly to God to confess our sins.

I acknowledged my sin to You, and my iniquity I have not hidden. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,” and You forgave the iniquity of my sin. Psalm 32:5

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This says absolutely nothing about whether the method of confessing sins to God should be direct or indirect. It doesn’t say, “I will confess my transgressions directly to the Lord.”

Who should I believe, you or God?

 

[Kay_Cee]

Like I said before it’s the same.

Matt. 27:51-56

The rending of the veil signified that Christ, by his death, opened a way to God. We have an open way through Christ to the throne of grace, or mercy-seat now, and to the throne of glory hereafter. When we duly consider Christ’s death, our hard and rocky hearts should be rent; the heart, and not the garments. That heart is harder than a rock that will not yield, that will not melt, where Jesus Christ is plainly set forth crucified. The graves were opened, and many bodies of saints which slept, arose. To whom they appeared, in what manner, and how they disappeared, we are not told; and we must not desire to be wise above what is written. The dreadful appearances of God in his providence, sometimes work strangely for the conviction and awakening of sinners. This was expressed in the terror that fell upon the centurion and the Roman soldiers. We may reflect with comfort on the abundant testimonies given to the character of Jesus; and, seeking to give no just cause of offence, we may leave it to the Lord to clear our characters, if we live to Him. Let us, with an eye of faith, behold Christ and him crucified, and be affected with that great love wherewith he loved us. But his friends could give no more than a look; they beheld him, but could not help him. Never were the horrid nature and effects of sin so tremendously displayed, as on that day when the beloved Son of the Father hung upon the cross, suffering for sin, the Just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God. Let us yield ourselves willingly to his service. #Matt. 27:57-61

Please explain how all this means God wants us to confess our sins Him directly.