how do i deal with gay cousin/his boyfriend during Thanksgiving dinner?

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Your cousin seeks and requires approval to put his conscious at ease. Your silence implies approval. Being a Christian is not easy nor simple. You’re doing it correctly if the world hates you.

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Wow. Where do you people get these uncharitable assumptions? For all you know both partners were graciously and warmly invited.

You really think that the OP should try to blackmail his mom into rescinding an invite? Really? That wouldn’t work with my mom, it wouldn’t work with my husband’s mom, and it wouldn’t work with me. How rude and disrespectful to try to manipulate her like that.

Besides, what is so wrong with including gay people on thanksgiving, of all days? What if the cousin’s partner lives far from his family, or worse, doesn’t even have a family? It is an act of kindness to extend your holiday blessings to everyone.
Yes. Even if the pair had been manipulative about getting the invitation, it is entirely up to the host to decide how to handle that. If a host decides to pass over bad behavior, the other guests do not get to chime in about it. A good guest is not so controlling, but goes along with what the host has deemed the graceful way to deal with the situation. On top of that, defense of the moral code rarely requires that patience, kindness, and so on be abandoned. The sin can be rejected without rejecting the persons trying to defend the sin. Finally, charity requires that the best be assumed about people, even when prudence has to be ready for the worst.

It is also true that charity can recommend that a Christian go ahead and break bread with someone who is knowingly flaunting Church teaching. Of course this is true! Sometimes, yes, one can be forced to pass on a dinner invitation because one has been given the choice to either pass on the invitation or give tacit approval to something immoral, but at other times, when that tacit approval is not a condition, then of course it is OK to eat with people without putting them through a moral acid test.

For instance, if one is invited to a dinner and finds the dinner is an abortion fundraiser, well, one cannot just eat the food and be quiet. If a couple is marrying and a Christian finds they are not free to marry each other, then how can the Christian sanction the false attempt at marriage with his or her presence? You do not have to be rude about it, but you must send regrets; there is no way around it.

There is no moral prohibition on eating Thanksgiving dinner with the unrepentant, because the meal itself implies a family truce is in place. It is not the day to have it out over quarrels or grudges, whether new or old, and so it signifies nothing when the guests are good enough to refuse to have it out. One cannot listen to the truth being flaunted and give tacit approval, but one does not have to pick up the gauntlet every time someone else tries to provoke a quarrel, especially at the Thanksgiving dinner table. The correct thing to do when provoked, when possible, is to say, “No. Not today. Let there be a truce today, for Mom’s sake.”
Couples do not kiss at family gatherings, that’s the polite thing. By just being there, the boyfriend and your cousin are not being scandalous. Be cordial and just go.

And refer to them in proper terms if you DO go. Do not refer to him as just his “friend” because goodness me, that would be just rude
*Proper *terms? What would that be? I say learn the friend’s name, and refer to him by that. As for “friend” being rude, I’m not sure why that would be. If it were a man and a woman living together, it would not be rude to call them “friends” or “housemates”. That would be quite polite, considering the circumstances. If they want someone who doesn’t believe that their sexual relationship is even moral to refer to them as “lovers”, they have a self-absorbed screw loose.

Thanksgiving is a day for truces, but that is not the same as just hauling up the white flag. The presumption ought to be that both sides will lay down their arms. That is not too much to ask, and I would not be shy about saying so.

Call these guests by their given names, and stay out of quarrels about labels.
 
*Proper *terms? What would that be? I say learn the friend’s name, and refer to him by that. As for “friend” being rude, I’m not sure why that would be. If it were a man and a woman living together, it would not be rude to call them “friends” or “housemates”. That would be quite polite, considering the circumstances. If they want someone who doesn’t believe that their sexual relationship is even moral to refer to them as “lovers”, they have a self-absorbed screw loose.

Thanksgiving is a day for truces, but that is not the same as just hauling up the white flag. The presumption ought to be that both sides will lay down their arms. That is not too much to ask, and I would not be shy about saying so.

Call these guests by their given names, and stay out of quarrels about labels.
Friend is absolutely rude, and if you had referred to my husband as my ‘friend’ or ‘housemate’ when we were engaged and living together or dating and living together, I would have firmly but politely corrected you, as many times as necessary. If it became obvious that you were going to intentionally persist, we would have a very open conflict. It is rude to attempt to redefine the nature of someone else’s relationship in terms that make you more comfortable. That’s belittling. (And that’s not even considering how belittling it is to call someone’s serious partner a friend.)

It isn’t about wanting everyone to know the relationship is sexual. Even “chaste” couples use boyfriend/girlfriend/fiance/fiancee/husband/wife to demonstrate that that relationship is special, exclusive, and placed above all others. If it were just about sex, they wouldn’t bother. And husbands and wives would revert back to friends after one became permanently unable to have sex.

But those words mean something special and unique. I
 
I would never engage in an argument or even a conversation that has potential to evolve into something uncomfortable during such an event. If some people are rude and force certain embarrassing topics onto others, you don’t have to stoop down to that level. Ignore the conversation and enjoy the meal. Excuse yourself and go to the bathroom if you need to get away for a few minutes.

But you mention that children will be present. If they are your children then you must prioritise them and do what you think is best. If that means not going, then don’t go.
 
Here’s what you do. Go to the gathering, and if they start holding hands or kissing or something, just look over at them and say, “Do you mind?” with a look on your face. Or if that doesn’t work, say, “I have no desire to see that. What you do is your business, but there are children here. Please.”

That’s exactly what I would do.

EDIT: Actually, if they started kissing, I would stand up, collect my children, and walk out. True story.
 
Couples do not kiss at family gatherings, that’s the polite thing. By just being there, the boyfriend and your cousin are not being scandalous. Be cordial and just go.

And refer to them in proper terms if you DO go. Do not refer to him as just his “friend” because goodness me, that would be just rude
I have seen couples kissing at family gatherings (I’m talking a guy and girl) And, either way, you are right, it is not polite to do that. They should “get a room” if they want to do that sort of stuff!🤷
 
If you have kids and you’re truly worried about how they’ll handle the situation, don’t go. If your cousin is the sort who likes to stir up trouble and you don’t think you’ll be able to handle sitting through dinner, stay home. On the other hand, I don’t see much of a problem with it. I have a gay cousin who’s been with the same partner for well over a decade now. We’ve never turned down an invitation because they were attending and it’s never been something that’s caused an issue.
 
I would tell him he is welcome but not to bring his friend. Period. He is testing you. He is saying " me and my friend or neither,. " he is trying to force to to accept the arrangement. Tell your Mom, if they both come, you are leaving.

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I don’t think we know enough about the situation to know who invited whom. We don’t know how Mom really feels about the “relationship”. But no matter what, OP is in a position where she can, by being there, endorse the overt evil of a seemingly active homosexual relationship. Alternatively, she can learn whether boyfriend is coming again and just not go, explaining to her mother why she isn’t going.

By going, OP would be tacitly endorsing immoral activity as surely as if she attended a birthday party in a strip club. It doesn’t matter who else is going to be there in either event.

That is not the same thing as accepting the presence of the cousin, alone, at the dinner. But in this case, the cousin is flaunting a sinful relationship in front of everyone, including any children who might be there. There really comes a point at which we have to stand for something or we stand for nothing.
 
You can make a more powerful statement against it by being there than by not being there.
 
I don’t think we know enough about the situation to know who invited whom. We don’t know how Mom really feels about the “relationship”. But no matter what, OP is in a position where she can, by being there, endorse the overt evil of a seemingly active homosexual relationship. Alternatively, she can learn whether boyfriend is coming again and just not go, explaining to her mother why she isn’t going.

By going, OP would be tacitly endorsing immoral activity as surely as if she attended a birthday party in a strip club. It doesn’t matter who else is going to be there in either event.

That is not the same thing as accepting the presence of the cousin, alone, at the dinner. But in this case, the cousin is flaunting a sinful relationship in front of everyone, including any children who might be there. There really comes a point at which we have to stand for something or we stand for nothing.
You really think that attending a family dinner where gay couples are present endorses their relationship?

I hope for the sake of consistency that you keep cohabiting and invalidly married couples at a distance as well. Let’s face it, if you eat with them they will surely believe that they have your approval.

I am so glad that my family is far more generous and welcoming on the holidays.
 
Once again, we need to separate our “culture war” position from our Christian position.

Making someone feel loved and welcome is not a bad thing. Showing Christians as loving is not a bad thing.

My wife’s divorced uncle used to bring a different woman to every family gathering. We treated each of them with respect and welcomed them, even though we assumed they were, you know, sinning together. Family is family.

You will never convert someone if you show them you hate them or their choices.
 
I don’t think we know enough about the situation to know who invited whom. We don’t know how Mom really feels about the “relationship”. But no matter what, OP is in a position where she can, by being there, endorse the overt evil of a seemingly active homosexual relationship. Alternatively, she can learn whether boyfriend is coming again and just not go, explaining to her mother why she isn’t going.

By going, OP would be tacitly endorsing immoral activity as surely as if she attended a birthday party in a strip club. It doesn’t matter who else is going to be there in either event.

That is not the same thing as accepting the presence of the cousin, alone, at the dinner. But in this case, the cousin is flaunting a sinful relationship in front of everyone, including any children who might be there. There really comes a point at which we have to stand for something or we stand for nothing.
You really think that attending a family dinner where gay couples are present endorses their relationship?

I hope for the sake of consistency that you keep cohabiting and invalidly married couples at a distance as well. Let’s face it, if you eat with them they will surely believe that they have your approval.

I am so glad that my family is far more generous and welcoming on the holidays.
 
I hope for the sake of consistency that you keep cohabiting and invalidly married couples at a distance as well. Let’s face it, if you eat with them they will surely believe that they have your approval.
And people who cheat on their taxes, who accept government assistance under false pretenses, who abuse drugs or alcohol, who cheat on their spouses, who abuse others (physically, mentally or emotionally), those who lie, those who steal, those who use birth control, those who have used IVF… etc, etc, etc.

WOW, I guess In ever realized how many ‘saints’ there really were until I came here to CAF. :doh2: :rolleyes:

To the OP- if you cannot keep you opinions to yourself for a few hours, on Thanksgiving, do everyone a favor, including your Mother- stay home! Or better yet, go help out at a soup kitchen, but be aware- you might run into sinners there too! :rolleyes:
 
My blood pressure just goes through the roof when people speak that it is beneficial to expose our children to every kind of sin and deviant lifestyle at from early age in order to promote tolerance and Christ-like love.
I have a friend who was really stressed about finding the best way to explain gay and lesbian couples to her 4 year old daughter, just in case her daughter might someday say something embarrassing in the presence of a gay or lesbian couple. 😦

I recognize that I’m not showing Christ-like love by stating that I wouldn’t want to share a family gathering with a gay couple. It might make me a sinner, or a hypocrite because I myself have sinned. But I can’t simply throw a switch and think “I’m o.k., you’re o.k., and that there’s the way it is.”
 
To the OP- if you cannot keep you opinions to yourself for a few hours, on Thanksgiving, do everyone a favor, including your Mother- stay home!
That is not right. Jesus never kept His opinions to himself. He never compromised to be popular.

If you notice something at the dinner that you disapprove of, disapprove of it. No fuss, no show- just denounce it (it being the sin, not the person).
 
I agree on the parenting issue. Some sins (lifestyle choices:rolleyes:) are more obvious than others.

I will say though, that even at late elementary age, children have been exposed to quite a bit more than a parent would prefer simply by going to school, watching TV, and talking to their peers. Even homeschooled children talk to other kids at lessons, sports, even church. The child whose uncle is the gay cousin in the OP’s family will know more about this than a cousin’s child and they may discuss it together at whatever level of understanding and knowledge they have.

I don’t believe we have to discuss homosexuality at the same time that we tell a young child that “mommies and daddies make babies,” but we have to be prepared to teach them not to point and stare, and to try as best as they can to separate the sin from the sinner.

It is obviously hard or we wouldn’t be having this discussion. No one ever said that being Christian was easy - just that “great is our reward in heaven!” 👍
As a single adult, I might probably go and just be polite. As a parent you would have to ask yourself this: If your child is ready for a discussion about homosexuality then take them, and have a good talk before and after and encourage them to be polite. However, if your child is not ready yet, it is okay in my opinion to stay home. Again, not a judgment of sin but a parenting decision.

My blood pressure just goes through the roof when people speak that it is beneficial to expose our children to every kind of sin and deviant lifestyle at from early age in order to promote tolerance and Christ-like love. Clearly parents have that right, however I disagree but disagreeing does not make me a bad Christian, it just makes me a different parent. There is a requirement for me as a Christian to love others, there is not a requirement for me as a Christian to expose my young children to things they are not ready for there is a difference.

I had a young child that probably never would have noticed two men together, then I had another that seemed to notice everything and probably never would have taken their eyes off of them and would have been TOTALLY confused. With this child I would have chosen to stay home, and probably waited until they were older and more capable of handling the situation. Just as I am very pro-life but would have never taken my younger ones to an abortion clinic to pray, because some of the images on the photographs were just too much for them emotionally. That doesn’t mean I am not pro-life! This is a parenting decision and discerning what my child is and is not ready for is my job.

You know I explained to my children what sex was without telling them about gay sex, oral sex, threesomes and prostitution…these things clearly exist and my children will learn about them in due time but first things first. Contraception and other mortal sins are just as evil, but as a parent let’s be honest here, what are my children going to notice and ask about on the way home??? They are not going to ask about the couple using birth control pills or the person missing mass, they are going to ask about the gay couple or the cross-dresser so as a parent I need to as myself if my child is ready for this discussion.
 
My nephew is gay and we do not see a problem with it…They both come over and they are respectful.I love him all the same…As long they have that type of respect you have nothing to worry about…
 
That is not right. Jesus never kept His opinions to himself. He never compromised to be popular.

If you notice something at the dinner that you disapprove of, disapprove of it. No fuss, no show- just denounce it (it being the sin, not the person).
Does that include the cousin who is “living with” her boyfriend, the brother & SIL who are using ABC and the Uncle who is cheating on his taxes and taking advantage of his employees?

Or is this just directed at one relative who is gay? 🤷
 
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