How do I know if I'm born again?

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The whole point of the thread is for the reader to ask himself whether he/she is born again.
It is a litmus test.
Fair enough. As I was reading this statement the following Scripture spoke to me: “This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” John 13:35 Apart from God, love does not exist. Love is a testimony to God and to God’s presence in our lives. I realize that none of this speaks directly to the issue of being “born again” but I trust that God impressed those words on me for a reason, a reason which is “good, and pleasing, and perfect” (Rom 12-2). Intellectually I believe that the litmus test is “Is my life characterized by love or not?” I did not intend when I began writing this post to head in the following direction, but again I cant help but hear Christ speaking again of discipleship…“Go…make disciples of every nation baptizing them…and teaching them…” Unless you believe discipleship to somehow be separable from being “born again” It would seem that being a disciple of Christ involves baptism, understanding Christs teachings and living them through love.
OP:
‘Born again’ is not some crazy new religion filled with annoying zealots.
I know what you mean to say, and I agree.
OP:
Every christian must be born again. Jn3:3
I was trying to provoke the questions: what does it mean to be born again, what are the outward signs that one is born again, what type of changes take place, and such.
I did my best. But to many catholics the words ‘born again’ are like an attack signal.

Im sorry you feel that way - that you are being attacked. I will say that the exact feeling that you have is experienced by Catholics from those who feign an altruistic motive when, in fact, they believe Catholics do not qualify as Christians and need to be saved. Hopefully, through experience, you will come to recognize that everyone experiences hurt and a level of humility and forgiveness eases the pain and paves the way for fruitful dialogue.
 
How do you do these things without the Holy Spirit?
The HS is the Helper, imparted to you as a gift from God when you become born again.
My point is as an infant we cannot make a decision for Christ.
We cannot call on the name of Christ.
Our parents may desire that we live a Godly life. But they cannot force salvation on us. They cannot force us to put away our flesh and be renewed and be born again in the spirit. Nobody can do it for you.
Each person must accept Jesus as the Christ and repent. Then the helper will come.
This cannot happen at infancy.
Sure parents can offer their child to God when it is born, but the renewing of the mind, and putting to death of the flesh must be done by the individual. And this comes by hearing the word of God and accepting it.
One person(the parent) cannot bestow salvation,or the HS, or regeneration, or God’s grace,on another person(the child.)
Each must make his own choice to accept the truth.
Salvation comes by grace through faith. Eph2:8
Faith comes by hearing Rom10:17
Cannot happen as an infant.
 
When we are baptised at birth the Holy Spirit is a bit like a pair of shoes. The shoes are too big but our parents help us to keep them on by stuffing them with paper:p . As we get older, we grow into the shoes in the same way as the Holy Spirit becomes better known to us. If our feet get too big, we ditch the shoes. Some people’s pride gets too big and they ditch the Holy Spirit. Lol - that was an odd, probably useless analogy but, hey, I tried. What I am trying to say is that, like any Christian, you get to know the Holy Spirit more and more as you grow in Christ.
The HS is the Helper, imparted to you as a gift from God when you become born again.
My point is as an infant we cannot make a decision for Christ.
We cannot call on the name of Christ.
Our parents may desire that we live a Godly life. But they cannot force salvation on us. They cannot force us to put away our flesh and be renewed and be born again in the spirit. Nobody can do it for you.
Each person must accept Jesus as the Christ and repent. Then the helper will come.
This cannot happen at infancy.
Sure parents can offer their child to God when it is born, but the renewing of the mind, and putting to death of the flesh must be done by the individual. And this comes by hearing the word of God and accepting it.
One person(the parent) cannot bestow salvation,or the HS, or regeneration, or God’s grace,on another person(the child.)
Each must make his own choice to accept the truth.
 
The HS is the Helper, imparted to you as a gift from God when you become born again.
My point is as an infant we cannot make a decision for Christ.
We cannot call on the name of Christ.
Our parents may desire that we live a Godly life. But they cannot force salvation on us. They cannot force us to put away our flesh and be renewed and be born again in the spirit. Nobody can do it for you.
Each person must accept Jesus as the Christ and repent. Then the helper will come.
This cannot happen at infancy.
Sure parents can offer their child to God when it is born, but the renewing of the mind, and putting to death of the flesh must be done by the individual. And this comes by hearing the word of God and accepting it.
One person(the parent) cannot bestow salvation,or the HS, or regeneration, or God’s grace,on another person(the child.)
Each must make his own choice to accept the truth.
Salvation comes by grace through faith. Eph2:8
Faith comes by hearing Rom10:17
Cannot happen as an infant.
!. nobody can force salvation on us not even God.2. Why can’t it happen in infant if God Wills it3. so infants who die go to hell?-they have not made a choice ,they’ve not made a decision for Christ-ergo scripture(according to you) says the are not saved:mad: 😦
 
Again, there is no point in arguing with this fellow. The question was asked “How do I know if I’m born again?” It has been answered. Both the Church the Bible given her to be written and understood by her have answered. The Catholics, Orthodox, and many Protestants have all answered this question agreeing with the Church and her Bible. So, why entertain this fellow who has this novel approach to the New Birth? One hates to see a stubborn person die in his rebellion against God but we can’t force this fellow to believe the truth. Again, just pray for him and be done with it.

CDL
 
Being born again means being born of the spirit. Which means the Holy Spirit comes upon you. Jn3:3 states born again the other verses explain what born again with the Spirit actually means.
Only if one accepts your* personal* interpreation of Scripture. By what authority do you presume to interpret Scripture for the rest of us?
 
You really have to study Rom7 and 8 to understand it
I have and I and the Church dont see there what you say is there. Why should I accept your *personal interpration *of Romans? How can you reoncile you *personal *intpepretation of Romans with all the other Scriptural contradictions to your *personal *interpration that have already been pointed out to you?
 
…“Go…make disciples of every nation baptizing them…and teaching them…” Unless you believe discipleship to somehow be separable from being “born again” It would seem that being a disciple of Christ involves baptism, understanding Christs teachings and living them through love.
Of course we all must be baptized.
But first hearing Rom10:17
Then faith Eph2:8
Then repentence
Then baptism.
Think of Philip and the eunuch acts8:36-37
He couldn’t be baptized till he believed.
 
Of course we all must be baptized.
But first hearing Rom10:17
Then faith Eph2:8
Then repentence
Then baptism.
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And then what?

You say first faith. Did the infant Jesus have faith when he was consecrated at the Temple OR was the Faith of his parents sufficient?
 
I generally don’t look at links.
If you have something to say or a question in your post I will address it. But I don’t click on links.
Well, it would sure save on a lot of arguing, questioning and unlearned conversation, if you did.
 
I generally don’t look at links.
If you have something to say or a question in your post I will address it. But I don’t click on links.
Here are the article in the link that was given to you:

Source:

catholic.com/library/Are_Catholics_Born_Again.asp

Are Catholics Born Again?

Catholics and Protestants agree that to be saved, you have to be born again. Jesus said so: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3).

When a Catholic says that he has been “born again,” he refers to the transformation that God’s grace accomplished in him during baptism. Evangelical Protestants typically mean something quite different when they talk about being “born again.”

For an Evangelical, becoming “born again” often happens like this: He goes to a crusade or a revival where a minister delivers a sermon telling him of his need to be “born again.”

“If you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and believe he died for your sins, you’ll be born again!” says the preacher. So the gentleman makes “a decision for Christ” and at the altar call goes forward to be led in “the sinner’s prayer” by the minister. Then the minister tells all who prayed the sinner’s prayer that they have been saved—“born again.” But is the minister right? Not according to the Bible.

The Names of the New Birth

Regeneration (being “born again”) is the transformation from death to life that occurs in our souls when we first come to God and are justified. He washes us clean of our sins and gives us a new nature, breaking the power of sin over us so that we will no longer be its slaves, but its enemies, who must fight it as part of the Christian life (cf. Rom. 6:1–22; Eph. 6:11–17). To understand the biblical teaching of being born again, we must understand the terms it uses to refer to this event.

The term “born again” may not appear in the Bible. The Greek phrase often translated “born again” (gennatha anothen) occurs twice in the Bible—John 3:3 and 3:7—and there is a question of how it should be translated. The Greek word anothen sometimes can be translated “again,” but in the New Testament, it most often means “from above.” In the King James Version, the only two times it is translated “again” are in John 3:3 and 3:7; every other time it is given a different rendering.

Another term is “regeneration.” When referring to something that occurs in the life of an individual believer, it only appears in Titus 3:5. In other passages, the new birth phenomenon is also described as receiving new life (Rom. 6:4), receiving the circumcision of the heart (Rom. 2:29; Col. 2:11–12), and becoming a “new creation” (2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15).

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Regeneration in John 3

These different ways of talking about being “born again” describe effects of baptism, which Christ speaks of in John 3:5 as being “born of water and the Spirit.” In Greek, this phrase is, literally, “born of water and Spirit,” indicating one birth of water-and-Spirit, rather than “born of water and of the Spirit,” as though it meant two different births—one birth of water and one birth of the Spirit.

In the water-and-Spirit rebirth that takes place at baptism, the repentant sinner is transformed from a state of sin to the state of grace. Peter mentioned this transformation from sin to grace when he exhorted people to “be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38).

The context of Jesus’ statements in John 3 makes it clear that he was referring to water baptism. Shortly before Jesus teaches Nicodemus about the necessity and regenerating effect of baptism, he himself was baptized by John the Baptist, and the circumstances are striking: Jesus goes down into the water, and as he is baptized, the heavens open, the Holy Spirit descends upon him in the form of a dove, and the voice of God the Father speaks from heaven, saying, “This is my beloved Son” (cf. Matt. 3:13–17; Mark 1:9–11; Luke 3:21–22; John 1:30–34). This scene gives us a graphic depiction of what happens at baptism: We are baptized with water, symbolizing our dying with Christ (Rom. 6:3) and our rising with Christ to the newness of life (Rom. 6:4–5); we receive the gift of sanctifying grace and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:27); and we are adopted as God’s sons (Rom. 8:15–17).

After our Lord’s teaching that it is necessary for salvation to be born from above by water and the Spirit (John 3:1–21), “Jesus and his disciples went into the land of Judea; there he remained with them and baptized” (John 3:22).

Then we have the witness of the early Church that John 3:5 refers to baptismal regeneration. This was universally recognized by the early Christians. The Church Fathers were unanimous in teaching this:

In A.D. 151, Justin Martyr wrote, “As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true . . . are brought by us where there is water and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God the Father . . . and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit [Matt. 28:19], they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, ‘Unless you are born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:3]” (First Apology 61).

Around 190, Irenaeus, the bishop of Lyons, wrote, “And [Naaman] dipped himself . . . seven times in the Jordan’ [2 Kgs. 5:14]. It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [this served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions, being spiritually regenerated as newborn babes, even as the Lord has declared: ‘Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5]” (Fragment 34).

In the year 252, Cyprian, the bishop of Carthage, said that when those becoming Christians “receive also the baptism of the Church . . . then finally can they be fully sanctified and be the sons of God . . . since it is written, ‘Except a man be born again of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God’ [John 3:5]” (Letters 71[72]:1).

Augustine wrote, “From the time he [Jesus] said, ‘Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5], and again, ‘He that loses his life for my sake shall find it’ [Matt. 10:39], no one becomes a member of Christ except it be either by baptism in Christ or death for Christ” (On the Soul and Its Origin 1:10 [A.D. 419]).

Augustine also taught, “It is this one Spirit who makes it possible for an infant to be regenerated . . . when that infant is brought to baptism; and it is through this one Spirit that the infant so presented is reborn. For it is not written, ‘Unless a man be born again by the will of his parents’ or ‘by the faith of those presenting him or ministering to him,’ but, ‘Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit’ [John 3:5]. The water, therefore, manifesting exteriorly the sacrament of grace, and the Spirit effecting interiorly the benefit of grace, both regenerate in one Christ that man who was generated in Adam” (Letters 98:2 [A.D. 408]).
 
Regeneration in the New Testament

The truth that regeneration comes through baptism is confirmed elsewhere in the Bible. Paul reminds us in Titus 3:5 that God “saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit.”

Paul also said, “Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life” (Rom. 6:3–4).

This teaching—that baptism unites us with Christ’s death and resurrection so that we might die to sin and receive new life—is a key part of Paul’s theology. In Colossians 2:11–13, he tells us, “In [Christ] you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision [of] Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ” (NIV).
 
The Effects of Baptism

Often people miss the fact that baptism gives us new life/new birth because they have an impoverished view of the grace God gives us through baptism, which they think is a mere symbol. But Scripture is clear that baptism is much more than a mere symbol.

In Acts 2:38, Peter tells us, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” When Paul was converted, he was told, “And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name” (Acts 22:16).

Peter also said, “God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ” (1 Pet. 3:20–21). Peter says that, as in the time of the flood, when eight people were “saved through water,” so for Christians, “**aptism . . . now saves you.” It does not do so by the water’s physical action, but through the power of Jesus Christ’s resurrection, through baptism’s spiritual effects and the appeal we make to God to have our consciences cleansed.

These verses showing the supernatural grace God bestows through baptism set the context for understanding the New Testament’s statements about receiving new life in the sacrament.**
 
And then what?

You say first faith. Did the infant Jesus have faith when he was consecrated at the Temple OR was the Faith of his parents sufficient?
It is a good example. Thanks
Jesus was offered to God as an infant lk2:22-24
But when did the Holy Spirit descend on Him?
Lk3:21-22 as an adult
 
Protestants on Regeneration

Martin Luther wrote in his Short Catechism that baptism “works the forgiveness of sins, delivers from death and the devil, and grants eternal life to all who believe.” His recognition that the Bible teaches baptismal regeneration has been preserved by Lutherans and a few other Protestant denominations. Even some Baptists recognize that the biblical evidence demands the historic Christian teaching of baptismal regeneration. Notable individuals who recognized that Scripture teaches baptismal regeneration include Baptist theologians George R. Beasley-Murray and Dale Moody.

Nevertheless, many Protestants have abandoned this biblical teaching, substituting man-made theories on regeneration. There are two main views held by those who deny the scriptural teaching that one is born again through baptism: the “Evangelical” view, common among Baptists, and the “Calvinist” view, common among Presbyterians.

Evangelicals claim that one is born again at the first moment of faith in Christ. According to this theory, faith in Christ produces regeneration. The Calvinist position is the reverse: Regeneration precedes and produces faith in Christ. Calvinists (some of whom also call themselves Evangelicals) suppose that God “secretly” regenerates people, without their being aware of it, and this causes them to place their faith in Christ.

To defend these theories, Evangelicals and Calvinists attempt to explain away the many unambiguous verses in the Bible that plainly teach baptismal regeneration. One strategy is to say that the water in John 3:5 refers not to baptism but to the amniotic fluid present at childbirth. The absurd
implication of this view is that Jesus would have been saying, “You must be born of amniotic fluid and the Spirit.” A check of the respected Protestant Greek lexicon, Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, fails to turn up any instances in ancient, Septuagint or New Testament Greek where “water” (Greek: hudor) referred to “amniotic fluid” (VIII:314–333).

Evangelicals and Calvinists try to deal with the other verses where new life is attributed to baptism either by ignoring them or by arguing that it is not actually water baptism that is being spoken of. The problem for them is that water is explicitly mentioned or implied in each of these verses.

In Acts 2:38, people are exhorted to take an action: “Be baptized . . . in the name of Jesus Christ,” which does not refer to an internal baptism that is administered to people by themselves, but the external baptism administered to them by others.

We are told that at Paul’s conversion, “he rose and was baptized, and took food and was strengthened. For several days he was with the disciples at Damascus” (Acts 9:18–19). This was a water baptism. In Romans 6 and Colossians 2, Paul reminds his readers of their water baptisms, and he neither says nor implies anything about some sort of “invisible spiritual baptism.”

In 1 Peter 3, water is mentioned twice, paralleling baptism with the flood, where eight were “saved through water,” and noting that “baptism now saves you” by the power of Christ rather than by the physical action of water “removing . . . dirt from the body.”

The anti-baptismal regeneration position is indefensible. It has no biblical basis whatsoever. So the answer to the question, **“Are Catholics born again?” **is yes! Since all Catholics have been baptized, all Catholics have been born again. Catholics should ask Protestants, “Are you born again—the way the Bible understands that concept?” If the Evangelical has not been properly water baptized, he has not been born again “the Bible way,” regardless of what he may think.
 
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