How do I know if I'm born again?

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Miss Lollipops you missed the point. The point was baptism is to the new covenant what circumcision was to the old covenant. Both required faith. See rom 4:11
Yet circumcision was given to 8 day old babies. (did they have the faith we’re talking about here at 8 days -no). So the point is being made in the same way baptism can be applied to infants and incidently my son who will never reach this age of reason.
 
Miss Lollipops you missed the point. The point was baptism is to the new covenant what circumcision was to the old covenant. Both required faith. Yet circumcision was given to 8 day old babies. (did they have the faith we’re talking about here at 8 days -no). So the point is being made in the same way baptism can be applied to infants and incidently my son who will never reach this age of reason.
This also applies to one of my children, deanarrca. That’s why I’m so curious about how misslollipops and those who adhere to similar theological perspectives answer this most important question, which is, after all, related to the eternal destiny of our souls.
 
Were does scripture forbid the baptism of infants?

Can Christ heal those in unbelief?

chapter and versus, please!
 
I had a cousin that was wheel-chair bound and mentally retarded and therefore never reached the ability to reason, she died a few years back at age 35.

But you claim there is an “Age of Reason”. State your Biblical proof of an “Age of Reason”.
 
I heard an interesting comment the other day from a protestant call in q&a show… Forgive me for not knowing the name of the show… but if you are really interested and want ‘proof’ I can give you date/time/station of the broadcast…

Anyway… a caller called in asking about small children, are they saved, etc…

Here was his response…
  1. We all know from the scriptures that they must be the age of accountability before they can be held accountable… (no verse provided)
  2. It seems from scripture, that for a child in a house hold where the parents are believers, this age is probably till about 18 (no scripture support)
  3. However, we also know from scripture, that if the parents are not believers, then the age of accountability is much lower, say 12 or 13 (again, no scripture)
So, as we can see, it is imperative for you as a parent, to believe to give your children the best chance possible… (no scripture support)

(his conclusion)
We cant however know with respect to babies because the bible is silent.

:rolleyes:

Ok…

So, by this pastors logic (as a note, there are two on this show) If you have no parents that believe, then you are more susceptible. I guess that answers the question about Native Americans prior to Columbus. The were condemned quicker than someone in say Spain that chose NOT to believe

I wanted to call the guy up and say “so you know what you are saying!!!” but alas, the show concluded…

What got me was that this show is broad casted nationwide. How could anyone be so careless as to ‘preach’ this logic to anyone on the radio waves, with a statement as dangerous as this, with no scriptural support.

(As a note, this station is run by one of the larger Calvary Chapel churches)

Just a note…

In Christ
 
I had a cousin that was wheel-chair bound and mentally retarded and therefore never reached the ability to reason, she died a few years back at age 35.

But you claim there is an “Age of Reason”. State your Biblical proof of an “Age of Reason”.
God knows her heart!
You can’t believe that if you or her parents or whoever baptizes her she becomes born again.

This thread is about becoming born again.
We become born again when we recognize we are a sinner. Repent and accept Jesus as Lord and savior.
That is the only way.
You do not become born again because you went to a ceremonial baptism. Jn1:12 ‘those who believe’
You must believe and repent
If your cousin didn’t have that capacity, this verse does not pertain to her, it also doesn’t apply to infants, or aborigines, or indians who never heard the gospel, or anyone else who has never been given the choice to believe.
 
God knows her heart!
You can’t believe that if you or her parents or whoever baptizes her she becomes born again.
On basis do you tell us what to believe. Our Church assures us otherwise.
This thread is about becoming born again.
We become born again when we recognize we are a sinner.
Only according your opinion.
Repent and accept Jesus as Lord and savior.
That is the only way.
Not the only way and not very practical for infants.
You do not become born again because you went to a ceremonial baptism.
Right. But we are born again when are sacramentally baptised.
 
God knows her heart!
You can’t believe that if you or her parents or whoever baptizes her she becomes born again.

This thread is about becoming born again.
We become born again when we recognize we are a sinner. Repent and accept Jesus as Lord and savior.
That is the only way.
You do not become born again because you went to a ceremonial baptism. Jn1:12 ‘those who believe’
You must believe and repent
If your cousin didn’t have that capacity, this verse does not pertain to her, it also doesn’t apply to infants, or aborigines, or indians who never heard the gospel, or anyone else who has never been given the choice to believe.
And you base all this in what? Your personal interperation of one verse of scripture?
 
God knows her heart!
So, she is saved because “God knows her heart!” Isn’t that true of all of us then? By your reasoning, there is no reason that being Born Again has to be an event. Or does He stop knowing our heart at a certain age, and therefore at that age, we have to say a specific prayer?
 
You are quoting the outward signs of being born again.
Being born again means you are born of the Spirit not of the flesh
Jn3:5-6. We die to sin and are alive in Christ. Rom6:11
You are set free from sin and became slaves to righteousness. Rom6:18
For as many are led by the spirit of God, these are sons of God Rom8:14
This is what it means to be born again!
That’s pretty much consistent with what the poster said. Did you need to hear it stated the way you prefer, or is it o.k. for another Christian to say it, even if it is not word for word exactly the way you would say it? Did Luke write word for word what Matthew wrote?

Michael
 
Children are holy until the age of reason
What happened to your previous statement that babies come into this world as “filthy sinners?” What happened to “ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God?” What happened to original sin? Are we, or are we not, born in the state of original sin?
 
God knows her heart!
You can’t believe that if you or her parents or whoever baptizes her she becomes born again.

This thread is about becoming born again.
We become born again when we recognize we are a sinner. Repent and accept Jesus as Lord and savior.
That is the only way.
You do not become born again because you went to a ceremonial baptism. Jn1:12 ‘those who believe’
You must believe and repent
If your cousin didn’t have that capacity, this verse does not pertain to her, it also doesn’t apply to infants, or aborigines, or indians who never heard the gospel, or anyone else who has never been given the choice to believe.
You’ve said nothing that can be backed up with scripture. Where do you get the idea that John 1:12 “doesn’t apply to infants, or aborigines, or indians who never heard the gospel, or anyone else who has never been given the choice to believe?” That’s not in the Bible.

You’ve been shown repeatedly that the Bible says that baptism saves, and yet, for some reason, you’ve chosen to ignore it. For reference sake, I’ll quote some of these passages again:

Mark 16:16 (NASB) - He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

John 3:5 (NASB) - Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Acts 2:38 (NASB) - Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

1 Peter 3:21 (NASB) - Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you–not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience–through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

It’s really quite simple.
 
You can’t believe that if you or her parents or whoever baptizes her she becomes born again.
History shows that Christians have believed this since the First Century A.D. Whether you agree or disagree with infant baptism, you can’t deny the fact that infant baptism has been a belief and a practice of Christians throughout church history. That is just a matter of historical record.
 
What happened to your previous statement that babies come into this world as “filthy sinners?” What happened to “ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God?” What happened to original sin? Are we, or are we not, born in the state of original sin?
Asking for consistency seems to be a bit much here.

Then again, so is asking her to acknowledge Jesus definition of what it means to be born again, which has been brought up dozens of times.

I wonder if she’s just immune to the Gospel of John, & needs something else.

Is her claim that baptism does not cleanse us, nor by being baptized do we receive the Holy Spirit true?

Doesn’t look like it according to God’s promise in Ezekiel:

Ezekiel 36:25-27
”I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.”

Here we have the sprinkling of water, cleansing us from our impurities (sin), and the Spirit being put in us.

Sounds like being “born again” of water & Spirit in baptism.

Chris
 
Circumcision compared to Baptism
We know that all who were circumcised were not believers –
Rom. 2:28, 29: “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”
There were many who did not confess their sins and walked contrary to the will of God. They received punishment due to it.
Lev. 26:40, 41: “If they shall confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity.”
Knowing that not all those who receive the circumcision will be believers, Lord gave the sign of circumcision even unto infants.

Old Covenant: Circumcision
Deut. 10:16: “Circumcise, therefore, the foreskin of your heart and be no more stiffnecked.”
Deut. 30:6: “And the Lord thy God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your seed to love the Lord thy God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.” .
Jer. 4:4: “Circumcise yourselves to the Lord and take away the foreskin of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem.”

New Covenant: Baptism
Acts 2:38: "Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost
Act 22:16: “And now, why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” 
Rom. 6:4: “Therefore, we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we should walk in newness of life.”
Gal. 3 :28: “For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”

Paul actually equates them in the following passages:
Col. 2:11, 12: “In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; buried with him in baptism, whereas also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.” .
Phil. 3 :3: “For we are the circumcision which worship God in the spirit and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.”
Paul notes that baptism has replaced circumcision referring to baptism as "the circumcision of Christ" and "the circumcision made without hands." Of course, it was mainly infants who were circumcised under the Old Law; circumcision of adults was rare. If Paul, in making this parallel, meant to exclude infants from baptism, he would have said so.
 
Circumcision compared to Baptism

New Covenant: Baptism

Acts 2:38: “Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost
have put on Christ.”
Can you see the word REPENT in your quote?
.
Am I the only one who can see that word?
Or is that word a figment of MY imagination?

Repentance comes before baptism.
Why is this so hard to grasp?

Infants cannot repent because they cannot understand sin.
Therefore they cannot be baptized till they repent.
You can SAY you are baptising them but it is really a dedication.
We do the same dedication in my church.

A person cannot be born again until they repent.
Then they can get baptised.
 
Can you see the word REPENT in your quote?
Yes, Peter said to repent … TO an audience of adults.

Of course repentance is required before baptism. IF the person being baptized is an adult. Catholics agree.
Infants cannot repent because they cannot understand sin.
Therefore God does not require them to repent before being baptized. Make sense? God does not require people to do that of which they are incapable.
 
it. For reference sake, I’ll quote some of these passages again:

Mark 16:16 (NASB) - He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
It’s really quite simple.
By your own quote you can see that even if you baptize
an infant or mentally handicapped. unless they believe
they shall not be saved.
 
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