How do I refute claims that we Christians worship the Sun?

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How do I refute claims from an atheist that we Christians worship the Sun. This particular person told me that in St Peters Square in the Vatican, there is a massive sundial based around an Egyptian monument to horus. What does an Egyptian representation of the genitals of a sun god have to do with Jesus.

Now I know that we worship the Son, but how do I refute these claims? Thanks in advance!
 
lemonbeam said:
How do I refute claims from an atheist that we Christians worship the Sun. This particular person told me that in St Peters Square in the Vatican, there is a massive sundial based around an Egyptian monument to horus. What does an Egyptian representation of the genitals of a sun god have to do with Jesus.

Now I know that we worship the Son, but how do I refute these claims? Thanks in advance!
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The only likeness the obelisk has to anything of that **sort, is in people’s minds :cool: **​

The obelisk
  • is not genital-related (sorry !)
  • has nothing to do w/ Horus except that it belongs to the same culture
  • is uninscribed anyway…
  • not that the inscribed ones are any different in character
  • has nothing do with sun–worship
  • **is topped by a Cross… **
  • …which was added to it when Sixtus V had the obelisk moved there in 1586
  • …in addition to which he added an explanatory inscription
 
I’m minded of something that – I think – Patrick Madrid pointed out about all the things that we have in our daily life that ultimately came from pre-Christian sources. Things like the names of the days of the week (Tuesday came from Twi, the Norse god of warfare), the names of the months (January comes from Janus, the literally two-faced Roman god), wedding rings (an Egyptian invention, only in that case, it was originally a bracelet worn on the left arm), brand-names of different items (Nike sneakers are named after the Greek goddess of victory in battle).
 
Here is the truth of the obelisk from Catholic Encyclopedia

Saint Peter, BASILICA OF.—TOPOGRAPHY.—The present Church of St. Peter stands upon the site where at the beginning of the first century the gardens of Agrippina lay. Her son, Caius Caligula, built a circus there, in the spina of which he erected the celebrated obelisk without hieroglyphics which was brought from Heliopolis and now stands in the Piazza di S. Pietro.
In the middle of the ellipse towers the celebrated obelisk of Heliopolis. Its removal to the present site took place in 1586. On both sides of the obelisk are two beautiful fountains 45.9 feet in height. The obelisk is 836 feet high, and weighs 360.2 tons. Its apex is adorned with a bronze cross containing a fragment of the True Cross.
 
There are many Christians as well who like to argue that Catholics worship the Sun. Jack Chick I believe is one of them.
 
lemonbeam said:
How do I refute claims from an atheist that we Christians worship the Sun. This particular person told me that in St Peters Square in the Vatican, there is a massive sundial based around an Egyptian monument to horus. What does an Egyptian representation of the genitals of a sun god have to do with Jesus.

Now I know that we worship the Son, but how do I refute these claims? Thanks in advance!
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Are you going to participate in the thread or just hit and run. You have opened many threads with strange questions if you are Catholic and then you don’t take part in the discussions.
 
lemonbeam said:
How do I refute claims from an atheist that we Christians worship the Sun. This particular person told me that in St Peters Square in the Vatican, there is a massive sundial based around an Egyptian monument to horus. What does an Egyptian representation of the genitals of a sun god have to do with Jesus.

Now I know that we worship the Son, but how do I refute these claims? Thanks in advance!
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**BTW - some people think anything oval or circular (apart from their arguments) is pagan - especially if they see it in some or other Catholic context. The sun is circular - & so is the monstrance holding the (circular) Host. Therefore, the service we know as Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament is, if only we uninitiated Catholic dupes knew it, worship of the Sun-god. And all the Egyptian references in Saint Peter’s & its piazza prove this to them. :eek: **​

 
Gottle_of_Geer said:

**BTW - some people think anything oval or circular (apart from their arguments) is pagan - especially if they see it in some or other Catholic context. The sun is circular - & so is the monstrance holding the (circular) Host. Therefore, the service we know as Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament is, if only we uninitiated Catholic dupes knew it, worship of the Sun-god. And all the Egyptian references in Saint Peter’s & its piazza prove this to them. :eek: **​

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:: Sporfle!:: God help them if they notice the shape of any and all wheels, ie. on their car, or bicycle. How about manhole covers, or the horizontal cross-section of a bottle, or a basketball or a baseball? I suspect people who think this way probably have OCD tendencies.
 
Matrix_Refugee said:
:: Sporfle!:: God help them if they notice the shape of any and all wheels, ie. on their car, or bicycle. How about manhole covers, or the horizontal cross-section of a bottle, or a basketball or a baseball? I suspect people who think this way probably have OCD tendencies.
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They have tendencies to be Discalced Carmelites ?​

 
thistle said:
Are you going to participate in the thread or just hit and run. You have opened many threads with strange questions if you are Catholic and then you don’t take part in the discussions.
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Her method seems to be that of sowing doubt.She raises spurious,specious issues concerning the Catholic Faith-then disappears.If she was truly interested she would make contributions other than doubt.She says she’s Catholic but I have never met a Catholic more ignorant of her faith,and strangely her knowledge level seems to be decreasing conversely to the amount of time spent here at CA.VERY curious-or is it?
 
I suggest howls of derisive laughter followed by walking away slowly while chuckling and shaking your head.

Either that, or calmly explain we worship either a piece of bread, the Goddess Mary/Isis, or our Lord God the Pope depending on what day of the week it is.
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:

**BTW - some people think anything oval or circular (apart from their arguments) is pagan - especially if they see it in some or other Catholic context. The sun is circular - & so is the monstrance holding the (circular) Host. Therefore, the service we know as Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament is, if only we uninitiated Catholic dupes knew it, worship of the Sun-god. And all the Egyptian references in Saint Peter’s & its piazza prove this to them. :eek: **​

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This reminds me, pagans also held hands and prayed in cirlces. I told this to a COC friend of mine after being invited to their church ceremony. This after we had held and prayed in a cirlce…

Funny, I got no response.
 
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YourAverageJoe said:
This reminds me, pagans also held hands and prayed in cirlces. I told this to a COC friend of mine after being invited to their church ceremony. This after we had held and prayed in a cirlce…

Funny, I got no response.
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😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛
 
YourAverageJoe said:
This reminds me, pagans also held hands and prayed in cirlces. I told this to a COC friend of mine after being invited to their church ceremony. This after we had held and prayed in a cirlce…

Funny, I got no response.
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**Most people have better things to do than see the Pope behind every bush - but some don’t. And those who don’t, are the ones who go in for this kind of thing. **​

**What did the friend say 🙂 ? **
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:

**Most people have better things to do than see the Pope behind every bush - but some don’t. And those who don’t, are the ones who go in for this kind of thing. **​

**What did the friend say 🙂 ? **
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Me and my wife spent a few hours over this friends house over thanksgiving. Right before dinner we prayed, held hands in a circle for the Lords blessing. Right at completion of the prayer, I gave him a gotcha smirk. I also reminded him months earlier that the Nike shoes he wears have pagan meaning. “Nike” is the greek goddess of speed and agililty. I dared him to look it up, and never got an answer. He still wears the shoes nonetheless. For him I think the protestant charge that Catholicism is pagan is starting to collapse or has. He doesnt really bring it up anymore.

In Christ!
 
lemonbeam said:
How do I refute claims from an atheist that we Christians worship the Sun. This particular person told me that in St Peters Square in the Vatican, there is a massive sundial based around an Egyptian monument to horus. What does an Egyptian representation of the genitals of a sun god have to do with Jesus.

Now I know that we worship the Son, but how do I refute these claims? Thanks in advance!
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Lemonbeam, this is a fascinating question you posted. I am reasonably new to this forum type debate but have entered into it as an education into how Catholics react to such questions you asked above, for it, and many others posted on this forum, are directly related to the battle of Principalities and Powers, the Galileo affair and the Copernican revolution that in my opinion left the Catholic Church of today no more than an empty shell in many spheres…

I also note that the same names keep cropping up on all such related threads making sure nobody finds out the truth of these things, making sure all stay on the revisionist route choosen by the Copernicans who took over the Church from 1741.

Your friend is in fact correct in his assessment of St Peter’s Square. It is a physical manifestation of the Copernican heresy, the only formal heresy defined and declared by the Church that was fully adopted into the Church as orthodox. It is a physical and symbolic representation of the DEVIL at the doors of the Church. If any want a history of this phallic obilisk that now dominates one of the most visited places in all Christendom I will provide it.
 
cassini said:
Lemonbeam, this is a fascinating question you posted. I am reasonably new to this forum type debate but have entered into it as an education into how Catholics react to such questions you asked above, for it, and many others posted on this forum, are directly related to the battle of Principalities and Powers, the Galileo affair and the Copernican revolution that in my opinion left the Catholic Church of today no more than an empty shell in many spheres…

I also note that the same names keep cropping up on all such related threads making sure nobody finds out the truth of these things, making sure all stay on the revisionist route choosen by the Copernicans who took over the Church from 1741.

Your friend is in fact correct in his assessment of St Peter’s Square. It is a physical manifestation of the Copernican heresy, the only formal heresy defined and declared by the Church that was fully adopted into the Church as orthodox. It is a physical and symbolic representation of the DEVIL at the doors of the Church. If any want a history of this phallic obilisk that now dominates one of the most visited places in all Christendom I will provide it.
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I HOPE you’re being facetious.
 
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