How do Jews get to heaven without the Messiah

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Has the time not passed for the Jewish Messiah?
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In Judaism we believe that sacrifice and good deeds get us to the olam ha’ba (what you call heaven). In the absence of sacrifice )(because there is currently no Temple again yet), we recognize that good deeds (mitzvot) get us there. See Proverbs 16:6 for more info on that.

One thing I find Christians don’t understand about our faith is that we do not define “Moshiach” (messiah) the same way you do.

Judaism never taught that the Messiah would be divine, or that he would be an end-time type of savior only.

In Judaism it is a very great aveira (sin) to believe that God takes on human form. Deuteronomy 4 shows this. The belief that God can take on human form comes from ancient paganism, whereby pagans believed their human rulers were divine. We have always rejected this.

If you note, the very word “Messiah” is an Anglicized form of the Hebrew “moshiach”, which only means “anointed one”. King David, King Saul and King Solomon were also “moshiachs”, since they were anointed as kings, yet no one would think to also say they were divine.

In Jewish belief, Gentiles can also reach the olam’ha’ba by following the 7 laws of Noah noahide.org

We believe that the righteous of all nations have a share in the World to Come!

But we do not need Jesus; Maimonides (a medieval Jewish rabbinical scholar) taught that God allowed both Islam and Christianity to develop so as to give Gentiles (who up until then had been polytheistic pagans) a way to adopt Jewish monotheistic values without needing to become Jews first.

That way, when the true Messiah comes, even the Gentiles will recognize him because the way will have been prepared for him by the religions of Islam and Christianity (because both faiths also believe in the Jewish Bible.)

Remember, if not for Christian missionaries, the Jewish Bible would not be as well known as it is…people in China, India, Japan, Africa, South America, all know of the Jewish Bible because Christian missionafries brought it to them!
 
Carol’sdaughter,Thanks for the web site.Interesting.May our Heavenly Father bless you.🙂
 
The Jews believe in the Messiah. This belief will gain them a place in the Kingdom. If a Jew cannot see Jesus as the Messiah, consider how much “Christians” have done over the centuries to contribute to that situation.
Let God judge the hearts of His chosen people. We will find many of them at home with the Father when our day finally comes.

Matthew
 
CarolsDaughter said:
In Judaism we believe that sacrifice and good deeds get us to the olam ha’ba (what you call heaven). In the absence of sacrifice )(because there is currently no Temple again yet), we recognize that good deeds (mitzvot) get us there. See Proverbs 16:6 for more info on that.

One thing I find Christians don’t understand about our faith is that we do not define “Moshiach” (messiah) the same way you do.

Judaism never taught that the Messiah would be divine, or that he would be an end-time type of savior only.

In Judaism it is a very great aveira (sin) to believe that God takes on human form. Deuteronomy 4 shows this. The belief that God can take on human form comes from ancient paganism, whereby pagans believed their human rulers were divine. We have always rejected this.

If you note, the very word “Messiah” is an Anglicized form of the Hebrew “moshiach”, which only means “anointed one”. King David, King Saul and King Solomon were also “moshiachs”, since they were anointed as kings, yet no one would think to also say they were divine.

In Jewish belief, Gentiles can also reach the olam’ha’ba by following the 7 laws of Noah noahide.org

We believe that the righteous of all nations have a share in the World to Come!

But we do not need Jesus; Maimonides (a medieval Jewish rabbinical scholar) taught that God allowed both Islam and Christianity to develop so as to give Gentiles (who up until then had been polytheistic pagans) a way to adopt Jewish monotheistic values without needing to become Jews first.

That way, when the true Messiah comes, even the Gentiles will recognize him because the way will have been prepared for him by the religions of Islam and Christianity (because both faiths also believe in the Jewish Bible.)
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Could you clarify for me? 🙂 When you say that you define moshiachs differently than Christians and say King David was also a moshiach, I feel are leaving something out of your definition; that would mean any one who is annointed is a Messiah, and I’m sure you don’t believe that. So, if you could elaborate on the difference between a moshiach and true Messiah (or moshiach???)…just so we are on the same page.
On the same topic:
Do Jews believe the true Messiah will be a descendant of King David? If so, are there any living descendants of him?
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Believe_85 said:
CarolsDaughter;3456511:
One thing I find Christians don’t understand about our faith is that we do not define “Moshiach” (messiah) the same way you do.

Judaism never taught that the Messiah would be divine, or that he would be an end-time type of savior only.

In Judaism it is a very great aveira (sin) to believe that God takes on human form. Deuteronomy 4 shows this. The belief that God can take on human form comes from ancient paganism, whereby pagans believed their human rulers were divine. We have always rejected this.

But we do not need Jesus; Maimonides (a medieval Jewish rabbinical scholar) taught that God allowed both Islam and Christianity to develop so as to give Gentiles (who up until then had been polytheistic pagans) a way to adopt Jewish monotheistic values without needing to become Jews first.

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**Judaism is an incomplete faith. Christ came to FULFILL the Law of the Prophets. **
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The Judaic faith holds that any human being,
who acknowledges God as One -and who keeps to
a simple yet profound moral code, has a share in Olam Haba -
the world to come. [heaven.]

In fact, as the first Temple was being dedicated,
King Solomon asked God to hear the prayers
of those who came to God’s Temple from a foreign land.

“To the foreigner, likewise, who is not of Your people Israel,
but comes from a distant land to honor You…when he comes
and prays toward this temple, listen from Your heavenly
dwelling. Do all that the foreigner asks of you, that all the peoples
of the earth may know Your name…” Kings 8:41-43

How often have I thought of the fact that Joseph and Jesus put on their prayer shawls, each morning, and offered morning prayers to God.
When Jesus comes back, a synagogue would be most familiar to Him. -as the Torah scroll was carried to the beama, set down - and then a portion of the Torah would be read, for the day.

And Mary would have said the prayer that all Jewish women said, as the Sabbath began.
How ironic. Now we have statues of Mary, and May Day processions - when Mary might well feel more at home, welcoming *Shabbat Hamalka, *Queen Sabbath.

The God of Israel spoke of the “green pasture,” where He would give repose. Ps. 23.
He forgave readily, saying “Though your sins be as scarlet, they may become white as snow…” Isaiah 1:18
The prophets spoke of *teshuva - *repentence, and the return to God.

I’ll say one thing. I have found the God of Judaism expressing great mercy,
toward all human beings.
It must be both difficult, as well as a glory, to be part of God’s chosen ones.
Christian claims that church members are now the chosen people, ring somewhat hollow.

We stand on the shoulders of giants.

reen12
 
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