How do Mormons view Our Lady?

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RebeccaJ said:
What I was taught, is that the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary so that she could be in the presence of the Father and live. This was so intercourse could occur. :eek:

This was in the 1970’s, seminary and Sunday school.

We’ve had LDS on this forum say Jesus conception was via a divine method of artificial insemination. Also, :eek:.
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I was taught the same thing in seminary in the 90’s! I remember so vividly how sick I felt after hearing that! I think most LDS today just reason out that Jesus was conceived by some kind of artificial insemination. There are just so many problems with even the new “unofficial” theories.
 
RebeccaJ said:
In the end, Mormons believe a miracle is something that can be explained, given the right knowledge. Their God has more knowledge, so can do cooler stuff than we can. So, the doctrine didn’t change, knowledge increased, and obviously, artificial insemination is a greater knowledge. Science makes us more godlike all the time!

This is not the definition of miracle, or what it means to be Godlike, for Catholics.
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Yes, that is indeed their definition of the miraculous. Which gives them all kinds of wiggle room to change and bend, twist in a different direction, any of their teachings…
 
iepuras said:
I was taught the same thing in seminary in the 90’s! I remember so vividly how
sick I felt after hearing that! I think most LDS today just reason out that Jesus
was conceived by some kind of artificial insemination. There are just so many
problems with even the new “unofficial” theories.
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And those are the kind of theories which give rise
to the silly “Ancient Astronaut (Alien)” theory, the
religion for atheists, OY!
 
iepuras said:
I was taught the same thing in seminary in the 90’s! I remember so vividly how sick I felt after hearing that! I think most LDS today just reason out that Jesus was conceived by some kind of artificial insemination. There are just so many problems with even the new “unofficial” theories.
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iepuras said:
I was taught the same thing in seminary in the 90’s! I remember so vividly how sick I felt after hearing that! I think most LDS today just reason out that Jesus was conceived by some kind of artificial insemination. There are just so many problems with even the new “unofficial” theories.
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Eh well, by that point in my life I saw Mormon teachings with a dose of skepticism.
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
And those are the kind of theories which give rise
to the silly “Ancient Astronaut (Alien)” theory, the
religion for atheists, OY!
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Mormonism is about the same, their God lives on a planet, near a star called Kolob. I’ve seen a few Mormons comment online that calling God an alien is an accurate description, using modern ideas. Remember, Quakers live on the moon.
 
RebeccaJ said:
Women are objects in Mormonism, like a stapler, existing to perform a function. Stepping outside of that function is to go against the Mormon God.
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This is rather a blanket statement May I request a CFR on this? What function do Mormon women perform in Mormonism?

My experience with Mormon women have not been that way at all. Mormon women are rather well educated, many with an university education. They also work in many professional fields. How can a person compare a Mormon woman to a stapler existing to perform a function in Mormonism?
 
As a Mormon, I was taught that the Marian Visitations were from Satan
 
TexanKnight said:
As a Mormon, I was taught that the Marian Visitations were from Satan
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This is rather strange. I think that within Mormonism there is respect for the Virgin Mary as the mother of Jesus. This is especially true during Christmas. But it is true that she doesn’t play the role in Mormonism as she does in Catholicism. I have to wonder just how protestants view the Virgin Mary. I also believe that they downplay her role. Maybe the protestants on the board will tell us. I have never heard a Mormon say that the Marian visitations were from Satan. Do you have a reference for this?
 
invisible_man said:
This is rather a blanket statement May I request a CFR on this? What function do Mormon women perform in Mormonism?

My experience with Mormon women have not been that way at all. Mormon women are rather well educated, many with an university education. They also work in many professional fields. How can a person compare a Mormon woman to a stapler existing to perform a function in Mormonism?
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Heber C. Kimball said, “I think no more of taking another wife than I do of buying a cow.” The Twenty Seventh Wife, Irving Wallace, p. 101

So what is the lot of women in the celestial kingdom? To be one of multiple wives, eternally pregnant with spirit babies. I love my children, but it would be hell for me to be keep getting pregnant for eternity and having to share a husband.

Also, my experience is that many Mormon women put their education on hold to support her husband getting his education. For those women who do graduate, they do not work in professional fields once they have children. I know stay at home moms who do not like it and would love to work but feel guilty because they feel this way. As a working mom, I was treated as a third class citizen. I was not a good wife or mother because I worked outside the home. My husband was also not socially accepted because he had a wife who worked and was the primary bread-winner.
 
I am sooo glad we honor, love and respect our Blessed Mother.
 
invisible_man said:
This is rather strange. I think that within Mormonism there is respect for the Virgin Mary as the mother of Jesus. This is especially true during Christmas. But it is true that she doesn’t play the role in Mormonism as she does in Catholicism. I have to wonder just how protestants view the Virgin Mary. I also believe that they downplay her role. Maybe the protestants on the board will tell us. I have never heard a Mormon say that the Marian visitations were from Satan. Do you have a reference for this?
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No Mormon prophet has ever had a Marian visitation. If Mormonism is the One True Church and all other churches are an abomination before the Lord (see Joseph Smith History in the PGP), then the Marian visitations are not authorized by God. If the Marian visitations are not from God, then where do they come from? One would assume Satan. In the Doctrin and Covenants, Joseph Smith talked about how Satan and his angels can appear as angels of God and Light. It is entirely plausible in Mormonism to conclude that the Marian visitations are from Satan. Remember that Bruce R. McConkie referred to the Catholic Church as the great abominable church of the devil in his book Mormon Doctrine and was forced to remove it. That attitude is not uncommon among Mormons.
 
invisible_man said:
This is rather strange. I think that within Mormonism there is respect for the Virgin Mary as the mother of Jesus. This is especially true during Christmas. But it is true that she doesn’t play the role in Mormonism as she does in Catholicism. I have to wonder just how protestants view the Virgin Mary. I also believe that they downplay her role. Maybe the protestants on the board will tell us. I have never heard a Mormon say that the Marian visitations were from Satan. Do you have a reference for this?
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Hi Invisible Man, I grew up protestant I suppose, and the feeling toward Mary was similar to that of the LDS. She served a function, any kind of veneration of Mary was idolatry and unbiblical. In our ancient churches which were all catholic once upon a time, all the Lady chapels were destroyed and devotion to Mary almost outlawed. The most attention paid to her was simply around the nativity story at Christmas, but even that was minimal. In the High Anglican church, or Anglo/catholic church I believe she is venerated in much the same way as in the catholic church, but I am sure there is someone out there who can elaborate on that.
 
Personally, and this is a little biased because of how much I love my own mother, I love the Virgin Mary and Venerate her whenever I can. A women’s love is definitely something that is close to heavenly.
 
lynnettejane said:
Hi Invisible Man, I grew up protestant I suppose, and the feeling toward Mary was similar to that of the LDS. She served a function, any kind of veneration of Mary was idolatry and unbiblical. In our ancient churches which were all catholic once upon a time, all the Lady chapels were destroyed and devotion to Mary almost outlawed. The most attention paid to her was simply around the nativity story at Christmas, but even that was minimal. In the High Anglican church, or Anglo/catholic church I believe she is venerated in much the same way as in the catholic church, but I am sure there is someone out there who can elaborate on that.
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I assumed that this was the case with some protestant faiths so I didn’t think that the Mormons were the exception in not venerating the Virgin Mother. I also think that one aspect of the reformation was the downplaying of the Virgin Mary.
 
iepuras said:
No Mormon prophet has ever had a Marian visitation. If Mormonism is the One True Church and all other churches are an abomination before the Lord (see Joseph Smith History in the PGP), then the Marian visitations are not authorized by God. If the Marian visitations are not from God, then where do they come from? One would assume Satan. In the Doctrin and Covenants, Joseph Smith talked about how Satan and his angels can appear as angels of God and Light. It is entirely plausible in Mormonism to conclude that the Marian visitations are from Satan.
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I don’t think that the LDS church takes a stand on Marian visitations. I have seen no reference to it. I don’t think that I can assume anything about the LDS’ stance on it.
 
iepuras said:
Remember that Bruce R. McConkie referred to the Catholic Church as the great abominable church of the devil in his book Mormon Doctrine and was forced to remove it. That attitude is not uncommon among Mormons.
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As far as I understand it, Bruce McConkie was a LDS leader who wrote a book where he wrote that idea. However, the Mormon Church balked at it and it was removed in the second edition of his book. I would assume that Mormons would have diverse opinions about Marian visitations but they are just opinions.
 
invisible_man said:
This is rather strange. I think that within Mormonism there is respect for the Virgin Mary as the mother of Jesus. This is especially true during Christmas. But it is true that she doesn’t play the role in Mormonism as she does in Catholicism. I have to wonder just how protestants view the Virgin Mary. I also believe that they downplay her role. Maybe the protestants on the board will tell us. I have never heard a Mormon say that the Marian visitations were from Satan. Do you have a reference for this?
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I was a missionary. It was what I was taught.

Additionally, Mormons used to not believe in Virgin Birth. They taught God had sex with Mary.

That may have changed. LDS Doctrine changes frequently
 
invisible_man said:
As far as I understand it, Bruce McConkie was a LDS leader who wrote a book where he wrote that idea. However, the Mormon Church balked at it and it was removed in the second edition of his book. I would assume that Mormons would have diverse opinions about Marian visitations but they are just opinions.
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Early LDS leaders taught the Catholic Church was evil. Additionally, early temple ceremony (pre 1990) showed a Catholic priest as the agent of Satan
 
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