How do prayers help people in purgatory?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Beno
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
B

Beno

Guest
During a worship service at the Protestant church I work at, a person asked the pastor what his thoughts were about prayers for the dead and whether the prayers help people get out of hell. Knowing I am a Catholic, he passed the question to me. I said that prayers do not help anyone get out of hell. I added that Catholics believe that our prayers here assist those in purgatory, the place where Divine justice metes out a purging purification of the effects of sin on souls for whom heaven is assured, even though the sins may have already been forgiven. But what I really want to know is: how do our prayers really help those in Purgatory? I’m not looking for feel-good replies or re-statements of why we need to pray for their souls. Does God readily grant mercy just by our asking for it? How can our prayers have any effect in the necessary purifying process to souls in Purgatory?

Also, is Purgatory an ante-room of heaven or a third place of existence that is not exactly heaven?
 
As I understand it, “time” spent in purgatory can be shortened, the “fires” can be lessened in intensity while still purging in the same way.
Hope is increased I’m sure.
Reassurance of where the soul is going.
Reminders of God’s mercy.

It is hard to explain since we do not know for sure (as we haven’t experienced it) just as we can not explain quite what Heaven or Hell is like, or what the joys or sufferings are like, in the same way, we may not be able to know “how” our prayers and sacrifices help, but we know they do.

Hope that helps.

God Bless
Mordocai
 
Hi Beno, I think you gave a beasutiful answer to there question. Here is a little of what Wikipedia Encyelopedia says ;
Main articles: Prayer for the dead and Indulgences;

Catacomb inscriptions include prayers for the dead.The Roman Catholic Church teaches that the fate of those in purgatory can be affected by the actions of the living.

In the same context there is mention of the practice of indulgences. An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven. Indulgences may be obtained for oneself, or on behalf of Christians who have died.

Prayers for the dead and indulgences have been envisioned as decreasing the “duration” of time the dead would spend in purgatory. Traditionally, most indulgences were measured in term of days, “quarantines” (i.e. 40-day periods as for Lent), or years, meaning that they were equivalent to that length of canonical penance on the part of a living Christian.When the imposition of such canonical penances of a determinate duration fell out of custom these expressions were sometimes popularly misinterpreted as reduction of that much time of a soul’s stay in purgatory. In Pope Paul VI’s revision of the rules concerning indulgences, these expressions were dropped, and replaced by the expression “partial indulgence”, indicating that the person who gained such an indulgence for a pious action is granted, “in addition to the remission of temporal punishment acquired by the action itself, an equal remission of punishment through the intervention of the Church”

Historically, the practice of granting indulgences, and the widespread associated abuses, which led to them being seen as increasingly bound up with money, with criticisms being directed against the “sale” of indulgences, were a source of controversy that was the immediate occasion of the Protestant Reformation in Germany and Switzerland.

Purgatory as a physical place
In antiquity and medieval times, heaven and hell were regarded as places existing within the physical universe: heaven “above”, in the sky; hell “below”, in or beneath the earth. Similarly, purgatory has at times been thought of as a physical location. In Dante’s fourteenth century work The Divine Comedy, purgatory is depicted as a mountain in the southern hemisphere. This is no longer the mainstream religious concept of purgatory. In 1999 Pope John Paul II declared that the term (‘purgatory’) did not indicate a place, but “a condition of existence”.

[edit] Roman Catholic statements
The Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, first published in 2005, is a summary in dialog form of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It deals with purgatory in the following exchange:

What is purgatory?

Purgatory is the state of those who die in God’s friendship, assured of their eternal salvation, but who still have need of purification to enter into the happiness of heaven.
How can we help the souls being purified in purgatory?
Because of the communion of saints, the faithful who are still pilgrims on earth are able to help the souls in purgatory by offering prayers in suffrage for them, especially the Eucharistic sacrifice. They also help them by almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance. Hope this helps! …Blessings,Robert
 
During a worship service at the Protestant church I work at, a person asked the pastor what his thoughts were about prayers for the dead and whether the prayers help people get out of hell. Knowing I am a Catholic, he passed the question to me. I said that prayers do not help anyone get out of hell. I added that Catholics believe that our prayers here assist those in purgatory, the place where Divine justice metes out a purging purification of the effects of sin on souls for whom heaven is assured, even though the sins may have already been forgiven. But what I really want to know is: how do our prayers really help those in Purgatory? I’m not looking for feel-good replies or re-statements of why we need to pray for their souls. Does God readily grant mercy just by our asking for it? How can our prayers have any effect in the necessary purifying process to souls in Purgatory?

Also, is Purgatory an ante-room of heaven or a third place of existence that is not exactly heaven?
I look at it this way: We are all one Body, Christ being the Head of the Body. In this intimate relationship with our Head and each other there is through Him a wholeness and well-being whereby all the members are knit together. Even as your whole body goes into action to remedy a defect in one part, so also with the Mystical Body of Christ. This is not in anyway mechanical but rather relational and the salve is love itself.The whole Body groans, as it were, for the revelation of the children of God. Our prayers and our lives given over to Christ build up the entire Body.

Purgatory is not a “place” such as say, Omaha or Boston. Purgatory is a state of being ‘during’ which one is made spotless for the Eternal Banquet in the Most Blessed Trinity.
 
Prayers for people in Purgatory work in much the same way that prayers for people here on earth work.

When someone is unable to pray for himself or herself (for example, if they are extremely ill), we put ourselves into their place, and pray on their behalf, asking for the things that they want to ask for themselves. We join our intentions with theirs, and become united with them in love - our happiness is that they should be happy.
 
Prayers for people in Purgatory work in much the same way that prayers for people here on earth work.
At the risk of straying from the thread, I just wanted to say a couple of things about prayer. Prayer doesn’t work. Prayers are not said or offered in order to persuade God to do anything. Perservering prayer is rather a manifestation that God stirs in us so that when God’s will is done we might give Him praise. With regard to the souls in Purgatory, our genuine prayers, ie prayer moved by the Holy Spirit, are again signs that God is accomplishing that for which we are praying. I hope this makes sense. 🙂
 
Does anyone know… can we also “apply” indulgences (from prayers, Novenas, etc.) for the Holy Souls in Purgatory? And perhaps, shorten their time there?

It seems to me, that I heard we can… somewhere. Anyone know for certain? 🤷
 
Here is what the catechism has to say about Purgatory. It has three paragraphs…

III. THE FINAL PURIFICATION, OR PURGATORY

1030 All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608

1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:
 
Hi Prayer Warriors,

I think it’s in the little blue Pieta prayer book - Holy Mass is the most powerful prayer. And, that one mass said for the living is worth many said for the same person after death. So it is most beneficial to have them said for your loved ones in life now -though they are the most powerful form of prayer for the dead.

For two or three years when I was still working, I sent a novena of Christmas Masses card to all my relatives and Catholic friends so that each would have at least one person who offered mass for them before their particular judgement. I am hoping that this will someday obtain the grace of final repentance for those who are, and likely to remain, far from their Faith. I pray for their conversion at present and always offer mass and communion for them in hopes they will return much sooner than the eleventh hour.

Mass enrollment cards can be obtained by phone or email from many Catholic org.s by just googling ‘mass cards’. Most give you donation options, but will still enroll your loved one whether you can donate or not.

Gregorian Masses
Pope St. Gregory the Great wrote in his Dialogues that the soul of a monk named Justus was released from purgatory after thirty Masses had been offered for the repose of his soul. The custom of celebrating Mass for thirty consecutive days for the repose of the soul of a deceased person is known as Gregorian Masses.

The Trinitarians are able to celebrate a limited number of Gregorian Masses. (Please note that Gregorian Masses can only be celebrated for the repose of the soul of one deceased person.) Rather than flowers or customary funeral donations I had Gregorian Masses said for my stepson who repented before death but had lived an entire life time in serious sin. What better alms than the alms of prayer (the mass) can a friend give?

:hug1:
 
Wow, some really beautiful posts on this thread so far.

Our prayers on behalf of the souls in Purgatory help them through the Divine Mercy. He allows us to help Him help them. Little things done with love, like the Little Flower said, that is the little way of little people. Some are called to do great things for the Church, some are called to small things with great love. That’s what we do when we say a Rosary for the souls in Purgatory without even “knowing” that it has any effect. Blessed are they who don’t SEE yet believe. Purgatory gives us all a chance to NOT SEE YET BELIEVE. And that builds up our own faith too!

Personally, I get selfish sort of - I figure it is true what the old saying says: Pray for the dead and the dead will pray for you! Those souls who I helped in Purgatory will remember me when they get to Heaven and my time comes for Purgation. A less than perfect reason, but when the going gets tough, less than perfect is good enough. 👍

Peace,

Gail
 
P.S. I wouldn’t mind at all someone doing the Gregorian thing for me when I pass. Maybe you guys n gals could let my daughter know…lol

Peace,

Gail
 
okay, I have questions if my simple understanding is correct or totally off base.

I simply look at it this way.

The people in heaven, are happy and if they are happy, they want what God wants. Why wouldnt God want them to also pray for the ones that he loves, and they love, because they are in a perfect state of Love (this is my understanding)

The people who die here, if they can enter heaven totally open to total self giving love, and have made their process here complete enough to enter the glory of God, they may just go straight up, like Mary, or others who must have made it that way.

Those who dont have this yet, but God wills to save, go to a place or state where they can be prepared for the blinding glory that is God, that they would not be able to enjoy in the state they are in, because they missed a few classes on forgiveness, or love, but they were getting there.

I dont mean this in a sarcastic way, if it sounds that way- its just using simple terms and cutting to the chase.
 
Does anyone know… can we also “apply” indulgences (from prayers, Novenas, etc.) for the Holy Souls in Purgatory? And perhaps, shorten their time there?

It seems to me, that I heard we can… somewhere. Anyone know for certain? 🤷
O yes. Already do. Here is my daily prayer, from Susan Tassone…

"A Morning Offering For The Holy Souls

O my God, I offer thee every thought, word, and deed of the day now beginning for the poor souls in purgatory; my rising and lying down, my going out and coming in, my work and recreation, my sorrows and delights, my successes and disapointments, my good fortune and mishaps, my gains and my losses, all that I may do, say, or feel, beseeching Thee that through the infinite merits of the Passion of The Divine Son, to which I unite all my works, these poor souls my be speedily released from their dolorous pains to see, love, and enjoy Thee forever. Amen."

Followed by the Offering of the Heroic Act. I think that covers all bases.🙂
 
Whats Offering of the Heroic Act?

Is it like Divine Mercy?:confused:
You can GOOGLE for detailed information, but it just means you give up all indulgences past, present, and future to The Church Suffering. So you have to serve your full time in Purgatory, paying to the last penny. But it makes Mother Mary very happy. And the souls you have released from Purgatory will be praying up a storm for you.

Oh, and the act is non-binding and can be revoked at any time, should a person have second thoughts and some qualms. I have prayed to St Michael the Archangel for fortitude about this.

And it would always be a good idea to consult your spiritual director or Priest or Confessor before making the act.
 
You can GOOGLE for detailed information, but it just means you give up all indulgences past, present, and future to The Church Suffering. So you have to serve your full time in Purgatory, paying to the last penny. But it makes Mother Mary very happy. And the souls you have released from Purgatory will be praying up a storm for you.

Oh, and the act is non-binding and can be revoked at any time, should a person have second thoughts and some qualms. I have prayed to St Michael the Archangel for fortitude about this.

And it would always be a good idea to consult your spiritual director or Priest or Confessor before making the act.
Oh. This is confusing, because if you do this, what about the prayers that are going up for you while you are in purgatory?
Do they get assigned to others in need of them then?:confused:

Does this mean if someone offers a Mass for your soul, its wasted or goes to another soul???:confused: :confused:
 
Oh. This is confusing, because if you do this, what about the prayers that are going up for you while you are in purgatory?
Do they get assigned to others in need of them then?:confused:

Does this mean if someone offers a Mass for your soul, its wasted or goes to another soul???:confused: :confused:
Yes, any prayers not needed by the intended recipients would go to those still in need. 🙂
 
Yes, any prayers not needed by the intended recipients would go to those still in need. 🙂
Whew. Sounded a little odd, but that makes sense. I dont see why the living and the ones waiting and the ones in heaven would NOT want to pray for all souls. It just would not make sense to me if they could not. Because then, those souls would be “selfish” in the sense, that “I fininished the race, YOU worry about yourself buddy”

Does not make sense at all. I think I like the communion of saints thing. Its just common sense to me at least.
 
Whew. Sounded a little odd, but that makes sense. I dont see why the living and the ones waiting and the ones in heaven would NOT want to pray for all souls. It just would not make sense to me if they could not. Because then, those souls would be “selfish” in the sense, that “I fininished the race, YOU worry about yourself buddy”

Does not make sense at all. I think I like the communion of saints thing. Its just common sense to me at least.
I think it might be more like some souls saying, “No, no - let me try it by myself - if I need your help I’ll ask for it.” Because even in Purgatory people experience pride and stubbornness - these are among the things they are trying to conquer. 😉
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top