How do pro-women's ordination deal with the 12 male Apostles?

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That’s taken out of context.
 
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Yes it is. Judas wanted the money he could have got if he got ahold of the expensive perfumes and that’s why he was mad, not because she was a woman.
 
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The question is how those who support ordaining women deal with the 12 apostles. They do it by saying some always object to the ministry of women, while Jesus supports them.

Only John’s gospel limits the objections to Judas, but the point still stands. Some are always objecting to the ministry of women.
 
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catholic1seeks said:
Qwerty isn’t even a Catholic. So she is not misleading anyone. To a non-Catholic, the idea of infallible binding decisions is not even held to.

Non-Catholic users of CAF are known to, well, NOT agree with every Catholic teaching…
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I was answering your question. Thank you for understanding where I am coming from. These discussions are good.
 
Dovekin said:
The question is how those who support ordaining women deal with the 12 apostles. They do it by saying some always object to the ministry of women, while Jesus supports them.

Only John’s gospel limits the objections to Judas, but the point still stands. Some are always objecting to the ministry of women.
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Context matters. How is the simple act of anointing one’s feet and drying them with one’s hair the same as a priest consecrating bread with the power of the Holy Spirit?
 
Yes–and our job is not to help/encourage them in their dissent or accept and affirm their disagreement with Catholic teaching–but rather to engage in discussion and defend the Catholic position and explain the reasoning behind this or that Catholic teaching. We can posit what pro-women’s ordination proponents might say, but we are obligated to explain why we believe their arguments fall flat and why the Church holds to the teaching it does.

The peace of Christ,
Mark
 
Agathon said:
Context matters. How is the simple act of anointing one’s feet and drying them with one’s hair the same as a priest consecrating bread with the power of the Holy Spirit?
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I never said it was the same. I said people are always objecting to the ministry of women, like the anointing of the head Jesus. I never said they were always wrong to object, just that they are always objecting.
 
Some of the female supporters of Jesus are mentioned in the Gospels, but I don’t know the particular passage it is in.
 
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Agathon:
Context matters. How is the simple act of anointing one’s feet and drying them with one’s hair the same as a priest consecrating bread with the power of the Holy Spirit?
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I never said it was the same. I said people are always objecting to the ministry of women, like the anointing of the head Jesus. I never said they were always wrong to object, just that they are always objecting.
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I acknowledge that; I disagree with your premise.
 
I think even in the OP I implied that I understood and accepted Catholic teaching.

Good, thanks for all the posts re-stating the Catholic position.

Now we can get back to the thread:
So how to Christians (who want women’s ordination) deal with Christ appointing 12 men as Apostles?
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Cecilia_Dympna said:
Stating women cannot do this because they are women, is not a convincing argument.
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The ordained priesthood is not an occupation, it is not a job, the same as being a doctor. It is a sacrament.

Christ being a man, and the priest standing in the person of Christ and partaking in Christ’s work in a unique way, and biologically men and women are different, men are only allowed in the priesthood.

The Church knows and understands the difference between men and women, and with this understanding, as seen in Scripture, Christ is seen as the bridegroom, masculine and the Church is the bride, feminine.

The Church has no authority to change what Christ ordained.
 
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Okay, so according to women priests, they have said:

While Jesus broke Jewish norms, it would be unexpected if he chose female priests as the apostles had to go out and teach/convert by themselves. This would be a dangerous feat for women at that time and culture because they were seen as men’s property (nobody would listen to them), and traveling alone might make them open to rape, murders etc. The male apostles themselves were tortured, but it’s expected that female apostles would have been disregarded earlier in their ministry, and Christianity couldn’t have spread far.

However, the priesthood in modern times are a lot different than back then. It’s now a job that women are able to do as safely as men and society (for the most part) are willing to listen to them.

I’m not pro-women’s ordination (if the church sys no then there’s no point supporting it. If the church decides to allow us to be ordained, then good for them) but I wouldn’t know how to refute this.
 
Lea101 said:
This would be a dangerous feat for women at that time and culture because they were seen as men’s property (nobody would listen to them), and traveling alone might make them open to rape, murders etc. The male apostles themselves were tortured, but it’s expected that female apostles would have been disregarded earlier in their ministry, and Christianity couldn’t have spread far.
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This objection is off base, since there are many women who carried the message of the gospel in apostolic times. Phoebe, Prisca, Junia, the seven daughters of somebody in Acts, etc. Women were chosen then, and like men were persecuted. See the lists of Virgin martyrs.
 
on_the_hill said:
You’re missing the point. It’s not they can’t do the job because they’re women. It’s that a woman can’t do the job because they’re not men. See the difference?

If women were meant to do the job, they would be men. And since women can’t be men, they can’t do the job.

Women have a different role, and that is to do the things they can’t do because they’re not men.
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LOL, that’s exactly how some Catholics come across when they try to defend the Church. And when they say ‘men can’t give birth’ as if that’s the same thing, and expect people to ‘get it’. Nope, get a good reason!

Ultimately it’s because ‘God says so’. If God wanted it, he could say “Sure”.
 
Honestly that was my first reaction. But at the same time, they were doing that alongside men. I’m not sure if they traveled alone like the apostles who were given instructions to go out to all nations, or that if they were men, more people at the time would have listened. While women did carry the gospel, I don’t think a female 12 apostles would have reached as many people as the males did, given the fact that the apostles and the women you have mentioned had different roles.
 
@catholic1seeks, please see my reply that is attached to this reply.

I was part of the movement, so I know of what I speak.
 
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