How do the Orthodox view the Eastern Catholics?

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It varies widely between and amongst Orthodox. I have seen and heard us Greek Catholics referred to as heretics, schismatics, traitors and other niceties by some priests and jurisdictions, and have been asked personally by priests to assist at services (other than the Divine Liturgy) in others.
 
They ran into trouble with the German missionaries, who objected to their using Slavonic, so the went to Rome and put their mission directly under Papal protection.
Not quite.

They were captured and sent to Rome under guard, where St. Cyril died.
Pope Nicholas approved their work, ordered copies of their Slavonic books to be placed on the altars of the major basilicas in Rome, and had the Slavonic liturgy celebrated in his presence.
This is quite odd, and frankly, sounds like a fairy tale to me, because Rome has not approved services in Slavonic until middle 13th century. It was allowd then for Croats, to prevent the influence of independent Orthodox Serbian Patriarchate that conducted services in Slavonic, but was never allowed for Poles.
 
Not quite.

They were captured and sent to Rome under guard, where St. Cyril died.

This is quite odd, and frankly, sounds like a fairy tale to me, because Rome has not approved services in Slavonic until middle 13th century. It was allowd then for Croats, to prevent the influence of independent Orthodox Serbian Patriarchate that conducted services in Slavonic, but was never allowed for Poles.
Regarding the issue of language, I’ve read that when St. Methodius again came to Rome, this time by invitation of Pope John VIII, he was told to offer the liturgy in Latin. Is this true?
 
Dear brothers EO’xy and Madaglan,

What are your sources for these statements?

Here are two articles from the old Catholic Encyclopedia:

newadvent.org/cathen/14041b.htm

newadvent.org/cathen/04592a.htm

They contradict several things both of you stated (I’m not accusing either of you as being the source of these statements).

Blessings,
Marduk
There are several pages online which state that Pope John VIII forbade the use of Slavonic in the liturgy, or that he enforced Latin as primary. The encyclopedia.com article on Saints Cyril and Methodius is one example. Another page claims in bold font that “Pope John VIII bans Slavic liturgy”: pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/popes.html

It seems that some pages mention only a ban, while others add that Pope John VIII later lifted the prohibition.

There appears to be disagreement between the Catholic Encyclopedia and other sources regarding Pope John VIII’s first decision, the Catholic Encyclopedia stating that he **sanctioned **Slavonic but required the **Gospel **first be read in Latin before Slavonic, while the other sources to varying degrees suggest that Pope John VIII outright **banned **Slavonic in the liturgy until later when he allowed it. Of note, orthodoxwiki presently repeats what the Catholic Encyclopedia states regarding Pope John VIII’s decision of Latin for the Gospel.

Does anyone know of good info from, say, Dvornik on this matter?
 
My sources are various writings of Preslav and Ohrid literary schools dated 9th century.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preslav_Literary_School
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrid_Literary_School

Lives of Ss Cyril and Methodius is attributed to St. Klement of Ohrid, their pupil. The name of Roman Bishop Vikhing, whom ordered their capture, was explicitly mentioned.

Roman sources, and wiki, refer to Vikhing as Methodius’ vicar bishop.

The rest is the common knowledge in history, the importance of Latin language for civilizing Franks, and the rise of first univercities among them in 9th century, supported, inter alia, by Klodovik and other subsequent rulers of Frankish Empire.
 
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