How do the Orthodox view the Eastern Catholics?

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Angel_Gabriel said:
i’m very curious so any help is much appreciated 🙂
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Glory to Jesus Christ!

There’s usually a wide variety of opinion on the subject, but I would say that most Orthodox view the Eastern Catholics as brothers and sisters that left for a different mother and should return to their original mother. I see it as a false unity between ECs and Rome, but obviously ECs would disagree. I do NOT see them as without grace because I cannot say where God’s grace is not, but I can say where it is. 🙂

Just one sinner’s opinion.

In Christ,
Andrew
 
Dear brother Harpazo,
Harpazo said:
Glory to Jesus Christ!

I see it as a false unity between ECs and Rome, but obviously ECs would disagree. I do NOT see them as without grace because I cannot say where God’s grace is not, but I can say where it is. 🙂
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I would disagree, and permit me to elaborate.

That statement indicates to me that there is no interest in unity based on understanding, but only a unity based on a unilateral imposition of the Eastern Byzantine Tradition on the rest of Christianity. As an Oriental, I reject that mindset wholeheartedly.

Blessings
 
Those Orthodox who know of the existence of the Eastern Catholics love them. I am Orthodox and had an Eastern Catholic priest read the epistle at our wedding. He is much beloved by my Roman Catholic husband and me.

Love is really key here. Through the loving eyes of Christ, we will see the truth of unity between us. There is no need for division, never was, never will be. The divisions are the delight of The Evil One only. I personally don’t respect such hateful divisions. I love my Roman Catholic brethren. They share the blood of Christ with me.
 
mardukm said:
Dear brother Harpazo,

I would disagree, and permit me to elaborate.

That statement indicates to me that there is no interest in unity based on understanding, but only a unity based on a unilateral imposition of the Eastern Byzantine Tradition on the rest of Christianity. As an Oriental, I reject that mindset wholeheartedly.

Blessings
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I know you do.🙂 The statement might seem like that to you, but it’s not the case. I have no desire for a “Byzantinification” of Christianity. Latinization did enough damage, in my opinion. All I wish to see is Orthodoxy.

In Christ,
Andrew
 
Dear brother Harpazo,
Harpazo said:
I know you do.🙂 The statement might seem like that to you, but it’s not the case. I have no desire for a “Byzantinification” of Christianity. Latinization did enough damage, in my opinion. All I wish to see is Orthodoxy.
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Just in the interests of civil discussion, if this is what you really mean, then how can you claim there is false unity between Easterns and Latins in the Catholic Church? What if there is actual understanding going on between the two groups? Would not that understanding form a solid basis for unity?

Blessings
 
kimbaichan said:
How do Catholics view Western rite Orthodox?
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I’ve seen some indications of unofficial objections by Vatican spokespersons to it on the grounds of it being hypocrisy on the part of the Russian Orthodox…

I’ve seen very little said of it at all in Catholic sources, other than it is officially part of Orthodoxy, and the liturgies are in themselves sufficient, when combined with valid priest, valid matter, and valid intent of the minister.

It’s not even clear whether WRO parishioners who convert to the Catholic church go Roman or Byzantine for their formal canonical enrollment.
 
kimbaichan said:
How do Catholics view Western rite Orthodox?
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Since there are very few that would be deemed “Western Rite” churches in the US, I would say most Catholics do not even know they exist. Most Catholics unfortunately, I would hazard to add have little knowledge of the Orthodox church in general. Even more alarming, I am finding how little most Catholic now about their own faith. This isn’t referencing all of course, but certainly an alarming percentage.

Aside from that I would tend to think they would probably not make much of a distinction between what kind of Orthodox they were unless they were contemplating coversion and had researched them the various churches.
 
Several years ago (prior to Summorum Pontificum) I ran into a so-called Western Rite Orthodox community (part of the Western Rite Vicairiate of the Antiochian Orthodox in the US) which touted itself as “traditional” with Mass in Latin, Gregorian Chant, etc. Apparently they were using the Tridentine Missal (albeit with some “Orthodox” additions (explicit epiklesis, etc)). They even took out full-page ads about it in the local papers. From that, it would appear that the m.o. was a direct appeal to disgruntled Latins. (I’m not sure, but from what I’ve heard that particular community was short-lived and no longer exists.)
Aramis said:
It’s not even clear whether WRO parishioners who convert to the Catholic church go Roman or Byzantine for their formal canonical enrollment.
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In general, those who are so-called Western Rite Orthodox were Western Rite (whether Latin or Protestant) in the first place. (How often does it happen that a practicing Byzantine becomes enamored of Latin Rite liturgy?) In any case, it would seem that, should they leave, they would translate back to their Church of origin.
 
Malphono:
The local WRO is almost exclusively former protestants. Then again, so is St. John’s as a whole… (It was originally Evangelical Orthodox.)
 
malphono said:
Several years ago (prior to Summorum Pontificum) I ran into a so-called Western Rite Orthodox community (part of the Western Rite Vicairiate of the Antiochian Orthodox in the US) which touted itself as “traditional” with Mass in Latin, Gregorian Chant, etc. Apparently they were using the Tridentine Missal (albeit with some “Orthodox” additions (explicit epiklesis, etc)). They even took out full-page ads about it in the local papers. From that, it would appear that the m.o. was a direct appeal to disgruntled Latins. (I’m not sure, but from what I’ve heard that particular community was short-lived and no longer exists.)
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And subtraction of an addition 🙂
 
Eastern right Catholics are essentially Eastern Orthodox except that their hierarch is the Pope of Rome. Their theology is EO, there liturgies are EO, etc. Just an interesting tidbit; my father-in-law was Ukrainian Catholic (Eastern right of course) and my mother-in-law is Roman Catholic, in order for them to get married they had to acquire a dispensation from the bishop, essentially “converting” my father-in-law from Ukrainian to Roman Catholic. It seems silly but I was told once of an agreement between the two rights maintaining their individuality, but I don’t remember the details. It was related to the fact that Eastern right churches were proselytized from the Eastern Orthodox church primarily after the Turkish invasion.
 
Marc_Hanna said:
Eastern right Catholics are essentially Eastern Orthodox except that their hierarch is the Pope of Rome. Their theology is EO, there liturgies are EO, etc. Just an interesting tidbit; my father-in-law was Ukrainian Catholic (Eastern right of course) and my mother-in-law is Roman Catholic, in order for them to get married they had to acquire a dispensation from the bishop, essentially “converting” my father-in-law from Ukrainian to Roman Catholic. It seems silly but I was told once of an agreement between the two rights maintaining their individuality, but I don’t remember the details. It was related to the fact that Eastern right churches were proselytized from the Eastern Orthodox church primarily after the Turkish invasion.
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everything I’ve read says that the Eastern Catholic should NOT switch churches but the option is given to the Latin/Roman catholic.
 
Harpazo said:
Glory to Jesus Christ!

There’s usually a wide variety of opinion on the subject, but I would say that most Orthodox view the Eastern Catholics as brothers and sisters that left for a different mother and should return to their original mother. I see it as a false unity between ECs and Rome, but obviously ECs would disagree. I do NOT see them as without grace because I cannot say where God’s grace is not, but I can say where it is. 🙂

Just one sinner’s opinion.

In Christ,
Andrew
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Pardon my ignorance on the subject; I am really trying to learn more about the other lung.

Isn’t it true that some of the Eastern Rites reunified with Rome but others never split and remained Eastern in rite but unified with Rome after the “great schism”?

Who would their (the latter’s) “mother” be?
 
Marc_Hanna said:
Eastern right Catholics are essentially Eastern Orthodox except that their hierarch is the Pope of Rome.
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Only 14 of the 22. BTW, it’s Eastern Rite, not Eastern Right.

The 14 Byzantine Rite Churches are comparable with the Eastern Orthodox.
The 2 Alexandrian Rite Churches and the Armenian Church are comparable with the Oriental Orthodox Communion; these Catholic Churches Sui Iuris are cadet from their OO counterparts.
The Antiochene Rite Churches correspond to the Syrian Orthodox and their descendant Indian churches; the Syrian Catholic Church and the Syrian Orthodox Church are in limited communion.
The Chaldean Rite corresponds to The Assyrian Church of the East.
 
Corki said:
Pardon my ignorance on the subject; I am really trying to learn more about the other lung.

Isn’t it true that some of the Eastern Rites reunified with Rome but others never split and remained Eastern in rite but unified with Rome after the “great schism”?

Who would their (the latter’s) “mother” be?
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Its questionable as to whether the Maronite Church did or did not break off communion with Rome at some point. In its case though, the entire Maronite Church reaffirmed communion with Rome so it is its Mother Church. In other cases, only part of a particular Church affirmed communion and thus the majority remained Orthodox and the minority entered into Communion with Rome. Also, its not Eastern rites, but eastern churches.
 
Angel_Gabriel said:
everything I’ve read says that the Eastern Catholic should NOT switch churches but the option is given to the Latin/Roman catholic.
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Prior to Pope Pius X, it was just the opposite. After Pope Pius XII, movement either way was permitted. After Vatican II, it was made clear that the it’s permitted to go from east to west, but that any move should be carefully considered, and the move from west to east is preferable. Moves from any church to any church are permitted… if done for good cause.

Further, it was moved from the Papal Nuncios decision to the two bishops’ authority, thus speeding the process.
 
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