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jeanannemarie
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Thank you, Patrick, for providing that link. It was the perfect explanation. I love the Divine Mercy and have used it for years.
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TrueLight
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Thanks everyone for responding.
So what originally got me wondering was this opinion piece on Rorate Caeli. It made me wonder how many traditionalists had a similar view.
Do you agree with this writer’s opinion?
So what originally got me wondering was this opinion piece on Rorate Caeli. It made me wonder how many traditionalists had a similar view.
Do you agree with this writer’s opinion?
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gator1582
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I question the practice as it was banned before JPII approved it.
If you go on an SSPX retreat they have a little blue book called Christian Warfare that they use for the retreat. In the book they have the Divine Mercy prayers. Which would seems like an approval by the SSPX.
If you go on an SSPX retreat they have a little blue book called Christian Warfare that they use for the retreat. In the book they have the Divine Mercy prayers. Which would seems like an approval by the SSPX.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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I find it writer’s opinion odd, or to use his word “bizarro”.
I was not aware that JP II instituted the divine mercy novena.
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TimothyH
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Let’s just let the piece speak for itself.
It’s like a Vatican II bizarro world. Thankfully, those who follow the 1962 calendar get to avoid all of this insanity.
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Alfonsus
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“I don’t like this pope, I ignore every thing he did, my take for being traditional is this and that.”
I don’t care if someone like/dislike, believe/disbelieve the private revelation regarding Divine Mercy. It is a freedom guaranteed by the Church.
But on the broader note, can I call this attitude “cafetaria traditionalism?”
Not so much different with what the majority play, just different direction…
I don’t care if someone like/dislike, believe/disbelieve the private revelation regarding Divine Mercy. It is a freedom guaranteed by the Church.
But on the broader note, can I call this attitude “cafetaria traditionalism?”
Not so much different with what the majority play, just different direction…
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jumpfrog
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Actually, I like the original image that was painted much more than the later one that is in common use now.
The original:
http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/149/3562d09abbe241d8bd690233485984da/l.jpg
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TrueLight
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The original is beautiful. Why was it changed?
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figs
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The painting is beautiful, but as beautiful as it is, St Faustina was frustrated because she could not find an artist that could render the vision she had seen. Christ assured her that wasn’t important, The trust, devotion, prayer, His love, mercy, etc. are what is important.
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floresco
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The SSPX are a well-known group of traditional Catholics. Giving their view on this is appropriate and relevant to the question posed by the OP. Your comment about their authority, on the other hand, is not relevant. Apparently, you have some hostility to this group which leads you to such outbursts.
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Lujack
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I don’t think its an outburst. He’s right; they don’t have the authority to approve or disapprove of anything. Even if they were fully regularized, they would not have the authority to approve or disapprove of actions from the Pope. They could disagree (privately) or have personal reservations, but not approve.
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floresco
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This thread is asking traditionalists how they feel about a particular devotion. None of us need any authority to express an opinion on this subject. One poster offered some evidence about what the opinion of the SSPX is. They were not being cited as an authority.
Nobody claimed or implied that the SSPX is an authority. Comments about their lack of authority, no matter how correct, are not relevant to this discussion. It looked to me like a knee-jerk negative reaction to the mere mention of the Society that had nothing to do with this thread.
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asd72
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It hasn’t so much changed as there are different artists which have painted the image also. The one above (the original) is my favourite too, The one that seems most popular now does have a certain bambi like quality to it and doesn’t appeal to me either.
You can also get ‘Jesus I trust in You’ in different lanuages from some sellers I believe. I am going for Latin.
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TrueLight
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Ha ha.
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figs
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asd72,
Here are a couple more. My fav is the icon
I’m not so keen on the ‘popular’ one either
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Here are a couple more. My fav is the icon
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Melchior_1
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The opinion piece is written by just one man, I wouldn’t put too much stock into it TrueLight.
Mostly everyone would agree that it would be INCREDIBLY foolish to ignore the Divine Mercy devotion.
For those who care, both the traditional folks and the charismatic folks in my city and heavy into this devotion. My parish, run by the Companions of the Cross, is facilitating the novena being done by hosting the chaplet. The chaplet was also said before all the Easter Masses, which meant that those who only show up to Church once or twice a year were exposed to this incredible devotion.
Mostly everyone would agree that it would be INCREDIBLY foolish to ignore the Divine Mercy devotion.
For those who care, both the traditional folks and the charismatic folks in my city and heavy into this devotion. My parish, run by the Companions of the Cross, is facilitating the novena being done by hosting the chaplet. The chaplet was also said before all the Easter Masses, which meant that those who only show up to Church once or twice a year were exposed to this incredible devotion.
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mattkubes
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Allegations of cafeteria Catholicism for not following St Faustina’s private revelation? Lol, no. No you can’t.
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Lujack
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The word “approves” implies authority; that’s why ByzCath questioned it.
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patrick457
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Here’s a more better picture of the actual original painted by artist Eugeniusz Kazimirowski. Most of Kazimirowski’s works were apparently lost during World War II; the Divine Mercy image is one of the few that survived.
It was only during the last decade that they’ve got to photograph the image in good quality when it was restored in 2003; most pictures of the supposed original that commonly circulated heretofore (such as this one) are usually, but not always, colorized versions of an originally black-and-white photo of the painting. (The image that Jumpfrog gave seems to be one taken after 1987, when it was retouched by a local artist.)
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The original didn’t have the inscription “Jesus I trust in you” on the painting itself, but on its accompanying frame, which was lost when the image was hidden on an attic. The signature was added in red during the 1987 retouching of the image, but has again since been removed. (Note here)
Now they didn’t ‘change’ the image; as asd72 points out, different artists have also done their own renditions of the Divine Mercy. The one most commonly known today (apparently in America and Europe, at least) is based on the one painted by Adolf Hyła as an exvoto of thanksgiving for having survived World War II. Apparently, Hyła’s original portrait showed Jesus walking through an idyllic country backdrop. However, since that was deemed to be too ‘non-liturgical’, the idea was later scrapped - Hyła painted a floor under Christ’s feet and made the background a more ambiguous dark green.
Personally though, I grew up with the version painted by Robert Skemp. (The image more common in the Philippines, much more than even Hyła’s or Kazimirowski’s.) Skemp attempts to rectify the dilemma of portraying the rays by showing them shining almost directly towards the viewer.
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