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Tomdstone
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Then why have people (who are now running for President of the US) been smoking it and even been accused of selling it illegally?
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Tomdstone
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Then why have people (who are now running for President of the US) been smoking it and even been accused of selling it illegally?
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thinkandmull
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Alchohol has bad effects too, but many good ones as well. Many argue that marijuana is NOT a good or moral effect to feel, except for someone in great pain where there aren’t other drugs to ease. Anyway, one thing I know is that marijuana is not the same mental thing as drinking beer. Its a different mental state. People who say smoking a joint and drinking are the SAME really don’t know precisely what they are talking about
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mek42
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What are the good effects?
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Tomdstone
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I don’t think that you can have an effective argument against legal marijuana when it is known that people running for President have smoked it and sold it to others. If no one cares about these politicians smoking and selling marijuana, then why arrest and jail the common man who uses it?
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edwest2
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Emotional words are not valid arguments. Some people want an excuse to get high - that is the issue, not possible medical uses.
Then it should be sold in pharmacies, not elsewhere.
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mek42
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So we should also only sell alcohol in pharmacies because many people just want an excuse to get drunk, right?
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MTarcisius
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Haha exactly.
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Tomdstone
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Why does the law against smoking and selling MJ not apply to politicians running for President, but does apply to the common man?
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MTarcisius
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I was not arguing for cannabis legalization; I was suggesting that Catholics live responsibly when they encounter legalization.
If cannabis were legalized nationwide would you become a drug addict?
Edited to say that people who want to get high will get high. Malcolm X used nutmeg in prison.
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edwest2
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Just google marijuana rehab.
I also suggest this site for more info: asam.org/for-the-public/marijuana
Usually, too many people think something bad and harmful becomes OK once it is legal. I saw what happened when strangers dressed as Hippies and Anarchists appeared in the late 1960s and preached their own gospel and talked Hippie-speak and wore the regulation type clothes and the regulation length hair. I was there. “Don’t trust anyone over 30!” The Christian God and the Church? Mom and dad? Old relics - useless. We’ve got FREEDOM!
No - they got tribalism. Illegal drugs were promoted as cool no matter how dangerous. Ritual marijuana smoking, and drinking. Live with your “old lady.” “I don’t need no piece uh paper tuh live with my old lady.” I heard that.
And Eastern mysticism. Get a maharishi or yogi or swami and do yoga. Buy anarchist underground newspapers and filthy underground comix. Porn is good.
And who’s paying for treatment? Why is there drug testing in the workplace? Why are even mental health clinics starting drug testing?
No, I’ve seen and heard all this before. And when did NORML open shop? 1970. Nothing’s changed. I’m 100% against legalization.
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MTarcisius
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Ed, you seem to use this statement all the time, however, it does not mean much. Rehabs exist to help people with addiction. Love is addictive, should we criminalize love? Sex is addictive. Just because something can become an addiction does not mean that it is evil. Some people become addicted to prayer (which is sinful).
Well the fact of the matter is that just because something is legal does not mean it is OK.
Ummm I am not sure what your point here is, do you mean to say marijuana makes people into hippie anarchists? My point is that Catholics need to act like Catholics.
Emotional words are not a valid argument. Not everyone who uses Cannabis is an adulterer. Just because you like to stereotype people that does not make it true. Alcohol causes more adultery than cannabis.
What are you talking about? Yes you are describing much of the '70’s counter-culture. Welcome to the 21st century, times have changed.
I think you fail to realize how much money is made off of drug testing. Drug testing is a huge industry that makes billions of dollars. Basic economics promotes the use of drug testing.
Haha a lot has changed since NORML started. CA legalized MMJ. CO, WA, OR, AK and the District of Columbia have legalized Cannabis. Many states are collecting taxes on cannabis sales. Non-psychoactive cannabis products are now available. Some kids no longer think smoking marijuana is “cool” because now their grandparents use it for arthritis. The U.S. Federal Government currently has medical marijuana and recreational cannabis bills being considered for out nation. Also, the U.S. government has now released a study showing that cannabinoids kill cancer cells. Additionally, there is now a legal market for cannabis. Many legal cannabis products are now being lab-tested for mold and contaminants. A LOT has changed, even if you haven’t noticed.
There is nothing wrong with that, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
My point is that if you find yourself living in an area with legalization, then you need to live responsibly and show (not tell) others how to live responsibly.
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edwest2
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I’m going to tell people the facts. Smoking cigarettes is bad. That’s been proven. Smoking marijuana is bad. That’s been proven. Nothing has changed. I study scientific advances on an almost daily basis and the facts haven’t changed. It’s the 21st Century, so what?
Unless the Food and Drug Administration finds good scientific evidence to approve it, I remain 100% against it.
Collect taxes? Really? And how many illegal grow houses get busted?
nj.com/union/index.ssf/2015/04/kenilworth_bust.html
nbcmiami.com/news/local/Police-Bust-Marijuana-Grow-House-in-Miami-296844961.html
kxan.com/2015/05/05/marijuana-grow-house-in-south-austin-busted/
Organized crime has this all figured out. Bob, your local neighborhood dope dealer, will undercut the price of “legal” marijuana all the time, and he has plenty of other drugs he can sell you, like crack, and heroin. Bob can’t afford bad press about his dope. He has to stay in business. Organized crime buys into “legal” marijuana and gets their cut.
It’s a lose-lose situation.
Drug testing is done in the workplace so that the employer does not have to pay compensation for a worker who got injured because he was high and his coordination was off. The employer can deny a claim and no insurance money is paid because illegal drugs were found in the worker/victim after the accident. You don’t want a chronic drug abuser at your business.
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Tomdstone
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True, but this is what people want. If they are politically connected, they will get the drugs they want with no penalty. If they are a common man, they will end up in jail.
theweedblog.com/jeb-bush-smoked-marijuana-and-sold-hash-in-boarding-school/
foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/26/rand-paul-slams-jeb-bush-for-drug-hypocrisy/
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MTarcisius
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Bad is a vague word. McDonald’s is bad.
That is fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Those are all illegal operations. They obviously don’t pay taxes. These days there is a difference between a legal and an illegal cannabis operation. A legal cannabis business is one that is in compliance with all state and local laws; this would mean that they have to file a state and federal tax return. IRS tax law 280 E gets applied, so legal cannabis businesses pay tons of taxes.
This is really just your opinion. Actually legal dispensaries have been competing with black market dealers ever since they started. This has resulted in the prices largely equalizing between the black and legal market. Bob will only have one to four different cannabis strains. Some dispensaries now have over 50 different strains to choose from, and Americans love options.
I have heard your argument that if you were a drug user then you would be hopelessly addicted to hard drugs like crack so you would have no use for a legal cannabis shop. However, legal dispensaries have many customers and patients on a daily basis. Each of these individuals that chooses to buy from a legal source rather than the black market scores a win against crime. Plus, all these individuals are not interacting with crack dealers.
That is a post-incident drug test. There are also pre-employment drug screenings. I don’t expect you to know the intricacies of the drug testing industry.
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KendraDZ1902
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Not all drug dealers sell all drugs.
Like I knew some guys that only sold pot. Some sold only pills, but could get you pot. I knew a guy who smoked pot but sold only coke and crack, but I’d you were looking for some good grades of pot, you went to him because that’s what he smoked, but he wouldn’t sell his good to everyone.
So it isn’t like every local drug dealer will have stashes of all sorts od drugs. Just so you know.
Like I knew some guys that only sold pot. Some sold only pills, but could get you pot. I knew a guy who smoked pot but sold only coke and crack, but I’d you were looking for some good grades of pot, you went to him because that’s what he smoked, but he wouldn’t sell his good to everyone.So it isn’t like every local drug dealer will have stashes of all sorts od drugs. Just so you know.
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xNoOnex
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I’m assuming that you’ve never had to watch someone you love suffer. My father suffers from severe chronic pain and severe depression. He’s been on pretty much every medication with the exception of methadone for former and the last one is so bad we had to sell the guns we owned.
I quit my job to take care of him and for the last thirteen years, I’ve seen him deteriorate. Then, sometime last year, we tried medical cannabis… And it helps him. It allows him to move and it actually helps his depression. But to suggest that I would want to see him dead, just because pot helps him? I’m sorry, but what? Do you really how sick and depraved that sounds?
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Tomdstone
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If Marijuana is damaging to one’s mental health, how come so many politicians have been smoking it, including Al Gore and Jeb Bush? I was in the supermarket and as I was standing in line I saw an article in a newspaper that claimed that Mr. Bush had not only smoked MJ regularly, but that he sold it when he was a student at Andover. According to the article, Mr. Bush said it was quite common for people there to be smoking MJ. The common man is put in jail for using illegal drugs, but we read that politicians have been using them and nothing happens to them. Is that fair?
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freeRadical
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So your argument for drug prohibition is because it’s bad for you?
Let me ask you this, do you think it is moral to put people in jail for drug use?
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Tomdstone
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You might want to ask Al Gore, Jeb Bush, Barack Obama, Newt Gingrich, John Kerry, Sarah Palin, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and George W. Bush that question.
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