How do we know Adam is a saint?

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Because they have already published answers, and they will not contradict the teaching of Holy Mother Church.
 
Cremation is permitted, as long as it is not done to deny the resurrection.

ETA CCC citation:

2301 Autopsies can be morally permitted for legal inquests or scientific research. The free gift of organs after death is legitimate and can be meritorious.

The Church permits cremation, provided that it does not demonstrate a denial of faith in the resurrection of the body.
 
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Let’s look at it from the side of ‘immortal soul/spirit’ theology.

Let’s theoretically say, ‘Adam is in Heaven’ right now.

What does that mean for the resurrection?

What does that mean for Enoch, Elijah, Moses, Firstfruits, Jesus having glorified bodies already?

What does that mean for the Gospel itself, and the ‘old man of sin’?

What does it mean for the following text?

Ecc_12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

As the text makes no distinction. Even the occult world would misuse it to teach all enter Heaven.
 
I suppose so, and also the body is regarded as the holy vessel which contains the soul.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Read this entire article, and follow the footnotes.

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As a P.S., I have read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and Canon Law, and the Encyclopedia, Summa, and Encyclicals, Bulls, ‘ECF’, and many other things.
 
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It appears you have an agenda here, you will be more fitting if you post in “Non-Catholic Religions”
 
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It appears you have an agenda here, you will be more fitting if you post in “Non-Catholic Religions”
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I am simply answering the question, honestly, from a studied perspective. Even from an historical one. I cited Lutherans, and told you of the ‘fathers’ who were ‘conditionalists’. - Human souls MUST be immortal? - #22 by SetInMotion

Easier for you I suppose to simply say I have an agenda.

I am even still willing to look at it from the other side, and gave questions as such. How do we know Adam is a saint? - #27 by SetInMotion
 
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That verse was written when Judaism was simpler: all go to the shadowy Sheol (Bosom of Abraham, I guess, according to Christians), both good and evil. Later, when Gehinnom was introduced, that is, purgatory (cleansing and punishment), the religion became more complicated, but still rather vague regarding what happens to the truly wicked after (Jewish) purgatory; do they too go to heaven, Olam Ha-Ba, or is their soul destroyed? Of course when Christianity became a distinct religion, there was no question regarding what happens after this life: it was all mapped out by Jesus and His disciples. Judaism, on the other hand, remains ambiguous.
 
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SetInMotion said:
I am simply answering the question, honestly, from a studied perspective.
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This is a forum where people go to find Catholic teaching.

Non-Catholics are welcome to post as long as they are respectful. Part of that respect is having the humility to present your answers as “I know this is not the Catholic teaching, however, I personally believe in XYZ”.
 
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“I know this is not the Catholic teaching, however, I personally believe in XYZ”.
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I can do that.

I know that what I am saying is not the current Roman Catholic theology, but historically, Christians, even the ECF were majority “conditionalists” - Human souls MUST be immortal? - #22 by SetInMotion, and many others, such as the “Protestants”, Luther, Baptists, etc have believed and taught the same.

General Baptists

“Institutes of Ecclesiastical History”, Johann L. von Mosheim records that the “General Baptists” … held “that the soul, between death and the resurrection at the last day, has neither pleasure nor pain, but is in a state of insensibility.” - p697 http://books.google.com/books?id=EIEPAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

Samuel Richardson (1633-1658)

Pastor, First Particular Baptist Church, of London wrote a discourse entitled :

“… there is not to be a punishment after this Life, for any to endure that shall never end” 1658, p.70TopRHC - http://books.google.com/books?id=W2NlnJippEkC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

Modern era:

"… annihilationists come from and are part of any number of different denominations . …

… E. Earle Ellis was a professor of theology at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (Southern Baptist Convention) until he fell asleep. Similarly, Dale Moody taught at Southern Baptist Seminary (also SBC). I bet you never thought conservative Southern Baptists would hold this view! Claude Mariottini, Old Testament professor at Northern Baptist Seminary (American Baptist Convention), is also an annihilationist , 7 …" - Don’t Be Afraid to Rethink Hell: Why Other Beliefs Needn’t Get In Your Way

“… I was a few weeks into the research when I read an article by a renown Southern Baptist New Testament scholar named E. Earle Ellis titled [“The New Testament Teaching on Hell.”] In it, he argued fairly and thoroughly that the New Testament advocates for an annihilation view of hell . This caught me off guard; I didn’t know he was going to argue for this. I read the article very casually, thinking it was going to be yet another defense of the traditional view. After all, Ellis is Southern Baptist. He’s evangelical . And he didn’t front his view at the beginning. He simply looked at all the relevant passages, exegeted them (with the exegetical methods I was taught in seminary), and then concluded that hell would not last forever ; that is, its inhabitants would not experience everlasting conscious torment. And Ellis argued this from the text. …” - Is Annihilation an Evangelical Option?
 
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No, I don’t particularly want to know more about you. I would appreciate it if you would kindly answer Yes or No. It’s an easy, straightforward question. Are you a Seventh Day Adventist?
 
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Hello again, @Cruciferi. Our friend is taking a long time. Maybe the question was too difficult for him.
 
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