How do we respond to the "sex abuse scandal"?

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Geographer - Thank you for sharing your (name removed by moderator)ut. I hope you become involved in some way in your diocese since you have such an important perspective on the matter. It is hard to hear, but we need to hear it in order to really fix the problem. We need to turn this around. I will be darned if God’s Church gets tarnished under my watch.

BTW, based on this and another post of yours, were you in the church of Christ when you weren’t Catholic? My husband was raised church of Christ - unfortunately abuse made itself present there also. His grandfather left the Catholic Church and became a church of Christ elder in Italy. He was a pedophile and the church and family covered up for him and allowed him access to God knows how many children. There was incest, sadly.
He died before my husband was born, thank God. My husband left the coc before he even knew about his grandfather though…he has a very negative opinion of the group.
Precisely my point and why I am so involved in the Diocese and working towards the diaconate. My point is that we need to stop burying this in the sand. But pull it out in the open for everyone to see what it really is - Satan is out to devour us one by one. If you read my posts you’ll see that I am defending the priesthood and the celibate priesthood. However, I do not have a problem with the Vatican under the guidance of the chair of Peter if they choose to ordain married men to the priesthood. But beware, like you said in the church of Christ I too became aware of similar scandals at a much greater scale. Pride gets in the way. The moderator should have allowed a bit of leeway on my choice of words, because they were somewhat metaphor to point out important facts. It is not only sinful for the priests and bishops but also the laity. My own family told me they didn’t want to hear what happened. My father took this to his grave and unfortunately didn’t get to see me revert.

I defend the Church always and use this very issue that it was in my previous faith as well. There are many Judas’ in the mix.
 
We should stop trying to blame others, take responsibility and cooperate to the authorities. A man in India was ignored with his pleas. This is global and only when our spiritual leaders turn every document over to the law, and face justice for the crimes of obstructing justice, covering-up (for the sake of the church instead of for the children which would have been the right thing to do as the Body of Christ), and of course those who abused the vulerable, can this be remedied. Romans 13:1-7 states that those who resist authority, (civil law) resists God. The Vatican has made laws to exclude themselves - a very conducive environment for sin (and crime) to spread like a cancer.
Jan Fredericks
Licensed Counselor
Christian Educator
Hebrews 4:13
James 3:1
 
But that does not mean that there wouldn’t be hard choices to correct sinful clergy. It also bothers me. And priests should be held to a higher accountability because of their role and their vocation…especially when they are making such sacrifices that apparently are much more difficult that people are allowed to acknowledge for men since the very beginning. Origin castrated himself. The middle ages are full of stories of sinful men and their concubines and mistresses. There are countless stories of these kinds of abuse. yet we continue to sit back and allow it to go on without backing the bishops into a corner and making them do something about it. We are so pathetic, the laity that is. The greatness of Saints is being subdued by the filth of the few. This is a serious problem that must be dealt with harshly by the priests. There is no room for wiggle in this anymore. I believe God has finally called them on it and this “calling the bishops out on the carpet” is an answer to my prayers - not out of hate or pride, but justified anger from first hand experience.
Your suffering is absolute torture. One has to remember that attitudes change over time. It is good that today we are a lot bolder and we speak up. I hope you will find solace.

Bishops have a great responsibility and should “take no prisioners” They should take strong action. Although I am suffering with all this abuse scandal because I love the Catholic Church and its many noble and holy priests and clergy, I believe that it is essential that strong measures must be taken and any priest or clergy who misbehaves must be dealt with sternly and reported to the civil authorities.

God bless you
Cinette 🙂
 
I find it perplexing that people actually consider leaving or not joining the Church based on the very public downfall of a few of its members. If you don’t want to be Catholic, fine, but if you don’t want to be Catholic because a few of its Priests committed grevious sins, then the fault isn’t the CHurch’s, its yours. I mean, it’d be like being born in Berlin and not wanting to be German because of, well… you know…?

With that said, as a Church I think we need to be very honest. Yes, there are Priests who have committed these sins, yes, children have been harmed. I understand the concept of forgiveness and some of these Priests could have repented privately and the Bishops let them continue. However, when a sin is a private sin, repent in private, if a sin is public, repent in public, and if one is truly sorry for their actions, then they will do what they can to appease those they harmed. If you murder someone, and go to confession, yes, in teh eyes of the Lord you are forgiven, but that’s not the end of it, you can’t just go home and continue like nothing happened. If your’e truly sorry, you must take responsibility for your actions. You’d go to the cop shop and turn yourself in and face whatever punishment awaits.

The other thing, as others have mentioned, the Church is always going to be attacked more than any other insitutition. We are the Bride of Christ, its not really the CHurch they’re attacking, it’s Him. There are plenty (if not more) paedophiles in the teaching profession, but you don’t dump the sins of a few on the doorsteps of the many.

But I think we need to be tread carefully, yes, if it is proven beyond any doubt that a Priest has sinned in this matter, turn him over to the civil authorities and excommunicate him. However, I know of priests who were completely innocent and someone who didn’t like them decided to spread that paedophile lie about them, its very destructive, and even if its disproven, people will still be weary.

There was a case a while ago down here, when someone accused a priest of molesting them, it was in all the papers, the Bishops and Cardinal went into damage control, the CHurch was getting horrific press. The poor chap was forced to resign as a priest and essentially booted out.

A few months later it was discovered that the priest had not molested this guy. The person making the claims was an adult, saying he had been abused at the Catholic school this priest taught at. Turns out, the guy had never been to the school, his cousin had, and his cousin had told him about this priest being really strict, but fair. So, this guy decided to make a quick buck or get his 15 minutes or whatever went through his twisted skull.

And once the truth was out, it was in a tiny little few sentances in the back sections of the paper, not a sniff on the radio or news. Nothing.

Just a Priest who’s life was destoryed by lies.

These accusations need to be dealt with by the proper authorities, the accused priest should have name suppression, just like any child molester or rapist accused, only when it is proven that they are guilty should their name be released. Even the fact they are a priest needs to be hidden until the guilt has been determined.

Long and short of it, respond with calm and clairty, point out that there are just as many, if not more paedophiles in the teaching profession, that if such abuses have happened, they shoudl not be covered up, but that the justice system guarentees a fair trial to all, and that innocent until proven guilty still applies to the most horrific of offenders.

Pray for unity and strenght in the Church. Yes, it is shameful that some priests do these awful things, but it is not your shame to bare. And one certainly shouldn’t leave, or refuse joining the CHurch because of the actions of a few.
It wasn’t just some priests, our Popes and Bishops enabled it to go on for decades resulting for probably 1,000s more innocent children to be abused.
Jan Fredericks
licensed professional counselor
 
It wasn’t just some priests, our Popes and Bishops enabled it to go on for decades resulting for probably 1,000s more innocent children to be abused.
Jan Fredericks
licensed professional counselor
It needs to be understood that during the time these things were happening the clergy were consulting psychologists on the issue and how to deal with it. Rather than throw out priests they chose to “rehab” them instead. It was a pastoral decision in part, but deeply misguided. I think that they listened to the voices of men rather than the voice of God. Where was God through all of this? Everywhere. God uses things like this for the good. Remember the story of Joseph? Today we’re seeing holy priests elevated that reject those that have same sex attraction. This really is the problem. Men who don’t know where they go in life are NOT by default called to be priests or religious. They have a unique calling. Their calling is to suffer in chastity and should consider celibacy as a vow but in a single state and that should be respected just like any other vocation.
 
as an irish catholic i find myself defending the church on a daily basis particularly in work and it isnt easy but i agree with what some people here have to say. being a good catholic is the best way to proceed, answer the questions by example, pray for the church the victims and the misguided people who put the reputation of the church before the safety of children. although child abuse is present in every walk of life since the dawn of time its no excuse, the church and its people should be above all that, for want of a better phrase.
I am a great defender of the Irish because it was Irish nuns that saved my sanity. I grew up in Convents and they were mostly Irish nuns and priests. They were self sacrificing and simply wonderful.

In the history of Europe and England the Irish played a major role in the development of society. I get goose pimples when I think of the role of the Irish.

This is why I was so devastated when I heard of the Irish abuse scandal. I do believe that there were those who became priests and nuns to get away from poverty and also under pressure from family “there must be a priest in the family”.

I know what the Catholic Church teaches and I know the history and I believe that we need to pray for each other and for all mankind. The Catholic Church belongs to all of humanity.

It is good that the scandal is being addressede (although the enemies of the Church are gloating and having a good time - they also expand and stretch the truth to their advantage). When all is purged and we are strong again this kind of thing is unlikely to happen and if it does we will all know what to do about it.

We should all pray for those who were abused. Did any of them remain in the Church?

God love you all
Cinette:)
 
The clerical abuse has personally effected me, as when I was 17 y old a 63 y old priest abused me. This caused a lot of guilt, anger, depression, and mistrust in me which separated me from my Catholic faith for 20 y. I have returned to my faith but it took a long time to heal and everytime new allegations come up in the media, it reopens old wounds for me. On Good Friday, the day Jesus gave up His life to cover the sins of the world, I plea for you to pray the rosary while you are in a state of fasting and dedicate it to our clergy…for the Lord to place a mantle of protection and love over them, especially Pope Benedict XVI. Please also pray for the victims of clerical abuse and their families, and also the perpetrators for healing. Please pray for the faithful Catholics that their faith not be shaken by the abuse scandals. St. Padre Pio stated that the rosary was a weapon against evil. Father Benedict Groeschal states that if you pray for someone in a state of fasting then it is the most powerful way of bringing an intention to the Lord. Where two or more are gathered in His name the Lord is present. Prayer is our hope and something we, as Catholic Christians can do to combat the evils and damaging effects of clerical abuse.



PLEASE DEDICATE YOUR GOOD FRIDAY FASTING AND PRAY THE ROSARY FOR THIS CAUSE. May the Lord bless you always.

Deborah Kloos
You are beautiful and strong. I will dedicate Good Friday as you ask.

God love you
Cinette:)
 
The clerical abuse has personally effected me, as when I was 17 y old a 63 y old priest abused me. This caused a lot of guilt, anger, depression, and mistrust in me which separated me from my Catholic faith for 20 y. I have returned to my faith but it took a long time to heal and everytime new allegations come up in the media, it reopens old wounds for me.
I don’t want to see anymore people hurt. I decided, when Pope Benedict XVI declared this year to be the Year of the Priest, to really uplift our clergy in prayer, especially the fallen clergy members. I wanted to bring a message of love, hope, mercy and forgiveness to clergy members in the midst of this scandal. I made special rosaries with semiprecious stones and an indulgence cross on them for clergy and bishops and I sent them to these clergy members in honour of the Year of the Priest and asked them to pray for God to place a mantle of love and protection over the clergy members, bring healing to the victims of clergy sexual abuse and lead them back to their faith, pray for mercy and forgiveness for the perpetrators, and help the faithful Catholics keep strong in their faith. I went to the monastery and offered up masses for all the clergy members. When the scandal regarding Ex Bishop Lahey came up in the media, I found out his address from Most Reverend Bishop Thomas Collins from Toronto and send this bishop a handmade rosary, offered up a mass for him and let him know that I would keep him in my prayers. Ex Bishop Lahey wrote me a beautiful letter saying how he really appreciated the prayers, especially now at the lowest point of his life. I did the same for Father John Duarte who is in prison for abusing Haitian boys and another 83 y old priest accused of sexual abuse which occurred 40 y ago but states he is innocent of the charges. I visited this accused 83 y old priest and personally gave him the perpetual mass card and he denied the charges. He was a frail elderly man with a gentle, humble character and I believe him.

I don’t condone what the priests have done, but I just want them to feel the mercy, love, and forgiveness of Jesus in their fallen state. During the ministry of Jesus, His message was to forgive and pray for those who hurt us. He gave us the parable of the Prodical son. He said that He would leave the 99 lambs to find the lost lamb and hold this lost one close to His heart. He said to forgive 70X7. On Good Friday, Jesus was humiliated, tortured, and put to death for the sins of us all…no matter how bad the sins were. As Jesus was taken by the men in the garden of Gethsemane, he healed the cut off ear of the man coming to take Him. As Jesus hung on the cross He said, forgive them Father for they know not what they do. He forgave the repentant thief hanging beside Him on the cross and promised him to be in Paradise. It is important as Catholic Christians to continue to live this message of Christ.

On Good Friday, the day Jesus gave up His life to cover the sins of the world, I plea for you to pray the rosary while you are in a state of fasting and dedicate it to our clergy…for the Lord to place a mantle of protection and love over them, especially Pope Benedict XVI. Please also pray for the victims of clerical abuse and their families, and also the perpetrators for healing. Please pray for the faithful Catholics that their faith not be shaken by the abuse scandals. St. Padre Pio stated that the rosary was a weapon against evil. Father Benedict Groeschal states that if you pray for someone in a state of fasting then it is the most powerful way of bringing an intention to the Lord. Where two or more are gathered in His name the Lord is present. Prayer is our hope and something we, as Catholic Christians can do to combat the evils and damaging effects of clerical abuse.

PLEASE DEDICATE YOUR GOOD FRIDAY FASTING AND PRAY THE ROSARY FOR THIS CAUSE. May the Lord bless you always.

Deborah Kloos
Thanks for such a beautiful sharing. 👍
:blessyou:
 
We should stop trying to blame others, take responsibility and cooperate to the authorities. A man in India was ignored with his pleas. This is global and only when our spiritual leaders turn every document over to the law, and face justice for the crimes of obstructing justice, covering-up (for the sake of the church instead of for the children which would have been the right thing to do as the Body of Christ), and of course those who abused the vulerable, can this be remedied. Romans 13:1-7 states that those who resist authority, (civil law) resists God. The Vatican has made laws to exclude themselves - a very conducive environment for sin (and crime) to spread like a cancer.
Jan Fredericks
Licensed Counselor
Christian Educator
Hebrews 4:13
James 3:1
The Church should take no prisioners and act swiftly if such a thing ever occurs again!

Cinette:)
 
The Global Media aggrandizes and embellishes almost everything she writes so that it looks like absolute truth. After all she is the (“Great Whore”). Seems most people in this world enjoy sleeping with her and being seduced by her articulate literary charms and beauty.

Are we all so gullible?
Credible mainstream journalists report based on facts and evidence. They are not going to take a pig and dress it up as a rabbit to make it more pleasing to the eye.

I don’t count bloggers and political magazines as credible sources of journalism as they are agenda driven.
 
The clerical abuse has personally effected me, as when I was 17 y old a 63 y old priest abused me. This caused a lot of guilt, anger, depression, and mistrust in me which separated me from my Catholic faith for 20 y. I have returned to my faith but it took a long time to heal and everytime new allegations come up in the media, it reopens old wounds for me.
I don’t want to see anymore people hurt. I decided, when Pope Benedict XVI declared this year to be the Year of the Priest, to really uplift our clergy in prayer, especially the fallen clergy members. I wanted to bring a message of love, hope, mercy and forgiveness to clergy members in the midst of this scandal. I made special rosaries with semiprecious stones and an indulgence cross on them for clergy and bishops and I sent them to these clergy members in honour of the Year of the Priest and asked them to pray for God to place a mantle of love and protection over the clergy members, bring healing to the victims of clergy sexual abuse and lead them back to their faith, pray for mercy and forgiveness for the perpetrators, and help the faithful Catholics keep strong in their faith. I went to the monastery and offered up masses for all the clergy members. When the scandal regarding Ex Bishop Lahey came up in the media, I found out his address from Most Reverend Bishop Thomas Collins from Toronto and send this bishop a handmade rosary, offered up a mass for him and let him know that I would keep him in my prayers. Ex Bishop Lahey wrote me a beautiful letter saying how he really appreciated the prayers, especially now at the lowest point of his life. I did the same for Father John Duarte who is in prison for abusing Haitian boys and another 83 y old priest accused of sexual abuse which occurred 40 y ago but states he is innocent of the charges. I visited this accused 83 y old priest and personally gave him the perpetual mass card and he denied the charges. He was a frail elderly man with a gentle, humble character and I believe him.

I don’t condone what the priests have done, but I just want them to feel the mercy, love, and forgiveness of Jesus in their fallen state. During the ministry of Jesus, His message was to forgive and pray for those who hurt us. He gave us the parable of the Prodical son. He said that He would leave the 99 lambs to find the lost lamb and hold this lost one close to His heart. He said to forgive 70X7. On Good Friday, Jesus was humiliated, tortured, and put to death for the sins of us all…no matter how bad the sins were. As Jesus was taken by the men in the garden of Gethsemane, he healed the cut off ear of the man coming to take Him. As Jesus hung on the cross He said, forgive them Father for they know not what they do. He forgave the repentant thief hanging beside Him on the cross and promised him to be in Paradise. It is important as Catholic Christians to continue to live this message of Christ.

On Good Friday, the day Jesus gave up His life to cover the sins of the world, I plea for you to pray the rosary while you are in a state of fasting and dedicate it to our clergy…for the Lord to place a mantle of protection and love over them, especially Pope Benedict XVI. Please also pray for the victims of clerical abuse and their families, and also the perpetrators for healing. Please pray for the faithful Catholics that their faith not be shaken by the abuse scandals. St. Padre Pio stated that the rosary was a weapon against evil. Father Benedict Groeschal states that if you pray for someone in a state of fasting then it is the most powerful way of bringing an intention to the Lord. Where two or more are gathered in His name the Lord is present. Prayer is our hope and something we, as Catholic Christians can do to combat the evils and damaging effects of clerical abuse.

PLEASE DEDICATE YOUR GOOD FRIDAY FASTING AND PRAY THE ROSARY FOR THIS CAUSE. May the Lord bless you always.

Deborah Kloos
I feel your pain and your desire for this ministry. I too do many things related to this as well. I even wrote my offender and told him I forgive him. He did not write me back. But I pray that he at least finds peace in his new state in life. This is the kind of mercy that God wants us to have for even those placed over us.
 
Deborah Kloos - You are an angel among men. I hope that the Church accompanies your mercy with justice.
I feel inspired to up my prayers. Thank you.
 
When people complain to me about abusive clergy (this scandal started here in America many years ago, of course) I tell them that has not been my experience. My experience is with the Catholic priests and people I know, and I have had only good experiences with them. My priests work hard, are kind to me and my family and are doing their best to be good shephards of their parishes. The people I know in the parishes I have belonged to are, for the most part, well-meaning, kind people who do an incredible amount of volunteer work for the poor, elderly, sick and others. Every Catholic I know is horified that children have been abused and the perpetrators were not turned over to the police. I belong to the Catholic Church because of our high ideals and the wonderful people and clergy that I know. I don’t know any of the clergy involved in the scandal, and even if I did, it wouldn’t cause me to leave the Church, as that is their fault, not God’s. The pope is not the Church all by himself, nor are the bishops or the priests; all of us who are Catholic are the Church, and we are, by and large, good people. This Church is where I have found God, despite our faults.
 
The cases should have ALL been turned over to the police for investigation and
if the person was in fact guilty of pedophilia, then he should have been defrocked and then imprisoned.
I am sick of all the cover up. I am a cradle Catholic, and this gives me
intense heartburn. Even when it hit the papers several years ago they were unwilling to make any changes.
I also find it very hard to believe that a man like John Paul could even be considered for canonization given he was knowledgeable of what was happening and did nothing. It also looks like the present Pope is no better.
It is simply unconscionable and hardly the sign of a saintly individual.
Finally, the reluctance of the church to address this sorry situation has resulted in a smear not only on every decent priest, but on those who claim, as I do, to be Catholic. It also provides more fodder for those who hate the Roman Catholic Church.
 
he seems to think that those who are exposing the truth, including the victims, are judas. When are we going to stop blaming others and take responsibility to do the right thing? Only then will the church have a ‘good reputation’ without spot or wrinkle. I think god is cleaning up his church. If it wasn’t for the media and the victims finally speaking out, this cancer would still be growing. It is global and needs to stop.
 
youtube.com/watch?v=sUbCt-7XE3E he seems to think that those who are exposing the truth, including the victims, are judas.
I disagree. I think Michael Voris quite clearly states that ‘Judas’ is seen in some bishops and so-called liberal theologians who have allowed the faith and morals of the clergy to become so eroded. On this point, I agree with him.

Judas, as one of the twelve apostles, was a bishop! His vision of the Kingdom was quite different from Jesus’s which was of course identical with God the Father’s. Judas saw the kingdom purely in secular terms as a messianic reign on earth with the overthrow of the Romans. The same can be said of many theologians and even bishops who have trumpeted “not in some heaven light years away” (from one of my least favourite hymns).

Where I disagree with Michael is in where Christ is in this situation. Surely, the one who is ‘betrayed with a kiss’ is the child or adolescent who has been abused? Jesus says as much Himself: Whosoever welcomes one of these little ones welcomes me. The reverse also applies. Whoever abuses a little one abuses Jesus. The Judas bishops and theologians have led certain priests with sin in their hearts to betray and abuse Jesus.

Pope Benedict primarily takes the role of Peter in this drama. He is faced with the same dilemma: to stand and fight, using all the weapons at hand (an option condemned by Jesus), to run and put his head in the sand, denying that he knows these children and young people or to stand alongside them and squarely face with them those who would harm them, turning again to strengthen the brethren- his fellow bishops, yes, but also all those who have been wounded by the abuse.
 
I disagree. I think Michael Voris quite clearly states that ‘Judas’ is seen in some bishops and so-called liberal theologians who have allowed the faith and morals of the clergy to become so eroded. On this point, I agree with him.

Judas, as one of the twelve apostles, was a bishop! His vision of the Kingdom was quite different from Jesus’s which was of course identical with God the Father’s. Judas saw the kingdom purely in secular terms as a messianic reign on earth with the overthrow of the Romans. The same can be said of many theologians and even bishops who have trumpeted “not in some heaven light years away” (from one of my least favourite hymns).

Where I disagree with Michael is in where Christ is in this situation. Surely, the one who is ‘betrayed with a kiss’ is the child or adolescent who has been abused? Jesus says as much Himself: Whosoever welcomes one of these little ones welcomes me. The reverse also applies. Whoever abuses a little one abuses Jesus. The Judas bishops and theologians have led certain priests with sin in their hearts to betray and abuse Jesus.

Pope Benedict primarily takes the role of Peter in this drama. He is faced with the same dilemma: to stand and fight, using all the weapons at hand (an option condemned by Jesus), to run and put his head in the sand, denying that he knows these children and young people or to stand alongside them and squarely face with them those who would harm them, turning again to strengthen the brethren- his fellow bishops, yes, but also all those who have been wounded by the abuse.
The Pope and Pope John Paul II covered it up - did they not?
 
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