How do you convince those who do not believe life begins at conception?

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Semajleahcim said:
the way i see it is i go by the dictionary.
a human being is its own person, it has its on thoughts, feelings, actions and isnt completely dependent on any other person to live. now, everyone likes to jump on this about how a baby cant feed itself or change its own diaper, but thats just semantics. it can breath, it doesnt feed off another thing by means of physical connection, it is no longer in a symbiotic relationship with another being, it is its on creature. a fetus IS human life, and it has the potential to become its on entity, but until it has been born and the cords been cut, its not.
thats my personal belief, and i think that MIGHT be how a lot of people see it too…
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Plenty of human beings are born without the ability to breath on their own. And some of them are never able to breath on their own. Without help, they would die.

So, obviously, those people are human beings. They’re paraiste on ventilators. :rolleyes:

Really. You can’t be serious with these arguments.
 
Semajleahcim said:
A embryo doesn’t have lungs, or a brain, either. A fetus is not a “whole being”.
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Actually, a fetus does have lungs and a brain.
Semajleahcim said:
Incorrect. The only difference between a fetus and a parasite is that the mother and the fetus share a common species.
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No, that’s not true either. Most parasites can infest multiple species. Most parasites have multiple stages of development. There are no parasites in the true sense of the definition that are spread exclusively reproductively.
Semajleahcim said:
The only difference between a fetus and a parasite is that a fetus shares a species in common with its mother(host), he said repetitively.

…and he’s been wrong everytime he’s said it. :rolleyes:
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Semajleahcim said:
the way i see it is i go by the dictionary.
a human being is its own person, it has its on thoughts, feelings, actions and isnt completely dependent on any other person to live. now, everyone likes to jump on this about how a baby cant feed itself or change its own diaper, but thats just semantics. it can breath, it doesnt feed off another thing by means of physical connection, it is no longer in a symbiotic relationship with another being, it is its on creature. a fetus IS human life, and it has the potential to become its on entity, but until it has been born and the cords been cut, its not.
thats my personal belief, and i think that MIGHT be how a lot of people see it too…
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Human - adj, of or relating to the species people belong to

Person - noun, human being

…from Webster’s New Dictionary of the English Language.

Neither one of these definitions contain anything about dependency or cognitive development.

It does seem to be your own “personal belief” that the offspring between two Homo sapiens is NOT a Homo sapien, but your “personal belief” is not necessarily the Truth.
 
max37 said:
I believe life begins at conception. This is what I was always taught, and I believe it. When seeing the quote from the president today, about “no God that condones the taking of innocent life” it struck me that you could only say such a thing, if you did NOT believe life started at conception.

So, telling a person who does not believe what we believe, that there have been 50 million murders, doesn’t really hit home if that person just believes there was 50 million “medical procedures.” (right?)

So how do you convince people that life begins at conception? Seems to me if you do that - all arguments are over, and the laws of the land would change virtually overnight.

Sorry, I have no link. If this belongs elsewhere, please move.
Thanks.
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Hi max,
If this person is a christain it will be easy by reading Ps.139:13-16
If they aren’t you can appeal to the scientific approach. I would go with God first. 🙂

God bless,
jean8
 
Newbie2 said:
Actually, a fetus does have lungs and a brain.

No, that’s not true either. Most parasites can infest multiple species. Most parasites have multiple stages of development. There are no parasites in the true sense of the definition that are spread exclusively reproductively.
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See Ps. 139:13-16 This is the Lord’s view on conception. He kew us while we were being formed. It doesn’t
matter what was made first. 🙂

jean8
 
kalt said:
Plenty of human beings are born without the ability to breath on their own. And some of them are never able to breath on their own. Without help, they would die.

So, obviously, those people are human beings. They’re paraiste on ventilators. :rolleyes:

Really. You can’t be serious with these arguments.
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It makes a person wonder if the babe would be a parasite if it belonged to them. what do you think? 🙂

God have mercy,
jean8
 
kalt said:
All human beings have human rights. One of those rights is the right to life.
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Given the fact that over 90% of all humans ever born are now dead, it’s pretty clear that having a “right to life” is fiction.
 
Jennifer123 said:
One cell that is only a part of a human being does not make it a whole. It is only a part of that whole being. It posesses human life, yes, but it is not a whole being.
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But It can be made into a whole being, stem cells. Just as the stem cells in an embryo do. Or so I remember, cell biology is not my field.
 
cerad said:
Given the fact that over 90% of all humans ever born are now dead, it’s pretty clear that having a “right to life” is fiction.
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That argument is so brilliant that I’ve come to see the light. :rolleyes:
 
jean8 said:
It makes a person wonder if the babe would be a parasite if it belonged to them. what do you think? 🙂

God have mercy,
jean8
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It’s a baby if someone wants it. It’s a parasitic blob of cells if they don’t want it. Dumb, isn’t it?
 
kalt said:
Can we force a woman to give birth beyond her will?
Is it justified? Can we do that to someone? (hold them against their will untill they give birth?)

Can we now? No. The law is written so she can choose to abort her baby. I think we can hold someone unitl they give birth. I know they’ve done that with pregnant drug users. When they keep using drugs, they’ve been held to keep them from destroying their own baby with drugs.
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But what about a nice sincere woman? Completely in control of all her faculties, who for some reason or another needs to have this abortion? Will you just tie her up and feed her through a tube for 9 months? What kind of sick twisted society would we be if we did that to someone? How would that traumatize and effect her? Would she become suicidal, would it scar her? Women have been seen as the breeding pods of society for so long, we just cannot do something like that. It would send our society back morally and ethically to the middle ages.
What if the womans life is in danger?
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I think there should be a provision for this, if (and only if) it’s the baby that is what will kill the mother. If she has cancer and wants to commit abortion so she can have cancer treatment, then no, she shouldn’t be able to. Since no one is forced to give up their own lives for another, when the other will kill them, I don’t think this situation should be any different. I think tubal pregnancies is a good example of a situation in which abortion is morally OK.
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No way that is so wrong and cruel. You can’t force someone to give up their life, If they need cancer treatment they should be able to get it. You cannot dictate to someone that they should die so someone else should live. That’s just so wrong, just re-read what you have written. I’m sorry that a baby has to die but you cannot do that, it is just so wrong. This is a fully sentient being, with memories, loved ones and perhaps children. What would you say to her other children should she have some? Sorry mommy had to die so your new baby could live, sorry she couldn’t get cancer treatment because? BECAUSE WHAT? because we stopped her from getting it.

I’m sorry but your wrong and your lack of empathy is sickening. I’m truly sorry that a baby has to die, but what kind of society do we want to become? I certainly hope not one like that. The best we can do is appeal to the conscience of individual women not to have an abortion.
 
kalt said:
It’s a baby if someone wants it. It’s a parasitic blob of cells if they don’t want it. Dumb, isn’t it?
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On a purely technical note, it’s both, a baby is a parasite by definition.

Parasite: An organism that lives in or on and takes its nourishment from another organism. A parasite cannot live independently.
 
Abbadon said:
On a purely technical note, it’s both, a baby is a parasite by definition.

Parasite: An organism that lives in or on and takes its nourishment from another organism. A parasite cannot live independently.
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This idea is repulsive. IT IS A HUMAN BEING!!!
 
CWBetts said:
A parasite is an organism of another species…did you fail introductory biology?
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Parasites live in a close obligatory association with one or more host species for most of their lives. They gain sustenance from their host, which is harmed but not often killed. Parasites are usually smaller than their host. They may live on the surface of their host or internally.

— Biology 3rd edition - Knox, Ladiges - Evans -Saint

Doesn’t say anything about it having to be a different species.
Parasites are sometimes desired you understand? Also we didn’t really cover parasites in Biology 102 (Genetics and the Evolution of Life) other than the ecological relationships of parasites.

But I could easily be wrong. Can you state a source for your claim?
 
Can the “host species” be the same species?

What exactly is your field of work CWBetts?
 
Abbadon said:
Can the “host species” be the same species?

What exactly is your field of work CWBetts?
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Currently biology/mathematics/statistics/anthropology tutor. Starting a MA Theology program this fall
 
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