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ComplineSanFran said:
As a member of TEC, I find Open Communion to be spiritually and theologically spot on. If we cannot gather at the table together, what sense is there in being Christ’s body? He called us all. Everyone is invited. Everyone is welcome.
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Imo , Communion should not be treated as a pot luck dinner. It is a serious matter
 
If the bread and wine are not Jesus’s Body and Blood after consecration, then either Jesus or the Protestants are wrong. I’m going with protestants are wrong in every aspect of the Eucharist
 
Michael68 said:
If the bread and wine are not Jesus’s Body and Blood after consecration, then either Jesus or the Protestants are wrong. I’m going with protestants are wrong in every aspect of the Eucharist
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What do you mean by ‘Protestant’?
 
KjetilK said:
What do you mean by ‘Protestant’?
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Once again, protestants are non-Catholic
people protesting the Catholic Church. Ever since the Great Apostacy started with Martin Luther, we have 2 camps, Catholic and protestant.
If you ain’t Catholic, you’re protestant!
 
Michael68 said:
Once again, protestants are non-Catholic
people protesting the Catholic Church. Ever since the Great Apostacy started with Martin Luther, we have 2 camps, Catholic and protestant.
If you ain’t Catholic, you’re protestant!
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Well, don’t forget the Orthodox. They aren’t Catholic and they also aren’t Protestant.
 
Michael68 said:
Once again, protestants are non-Catholic
people protesting the Catholic Church. Ever since the Great Apostacy started with Martin Luther, we have 2 camps, Catholic and protestant.
If you ain’t Catholic, you’re protestant!
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I asked you to define it. Your definition makes the Orthodox into protestants. If they aren’t, what makes them ‘non-Protestant’?
 
KjetilK said:
So what makes people not have seven sacraments?
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Some of the Sacraments, like the Holy Eucharist, need to be administered by priests with apostolic succession. When Protestants broke away from the original Church, they would find apostolic succession to be quite a problem. I mean they really have to justify that their priests did have apostolic succession. Most Protestant sects would just do away with the Sacraments, and problem solved for them.
 
Reuben_J said:
Some of the Sacraments, like the Holy Eucharist, need to be administered by priests with apostolic succession. When Protestants broke away from the original Church, they would find apostolic succession to be quite a problem. I mean they really have to justify that their priests did have apostolic succession. Most Protestant sects would just do away with the Sacraments, and problem solved for them.
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The Old Catholics had no problem retaining the succession, neither had the Lutheran Church of Sweden, where the Catholic bishops kept being bishops in the Church.
 
KjetilK said:
So what makes people not have seven sacraments?
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They have divorced themselves from the faith given, once for all.

What makes them do this? Multiple things I suppose.

One impetus: creating a religion that’s more palatable and easy to accept.
 
PRmerger said:
They have divorced themselves from the faith given, once for all.

What makes them do this? Multiple things I suppose.

One impetus: creating a religion that’s more palatable and easy to accept.
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You don’t loose the sacrament of Matrimony just because you don’t believe it is sacramental. So what would make a Church objectively loose the seven (or any number of) sacraments?
 
KjetilK said:
The Old Catholics had no problem retaining the succession, neither had the Lutheran Church of Sweden, where the Catholic bishops kept being bishops in the Church.
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That is what I heard. It is good then. Did they break from the Catholic Church or was they merely in schism? And if it was the former, were they still given faculty to function as priestly ministers?
 
KjetilK said:
So the Orthodox ARE Protestants, then?
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Yes, according to you…😉

In sense, they are one with you in your disdain for papal authority. 😉

Besides, as St. Optatus says, in his letter to the donatists:

You cannot then deny that you do know that upon Peter first in the City of Rome was bestowed the Episcopal Cathedra, on which sat Peter, the Head of all the Apostles … that, in this one Cathedra, unity should be preserved by all [in qua unica Cathedra unitas ab omnibus servaretur], lest the other Apostles might claim each for himself separate Cathedras, so that he who should set up a second Cathedra against the unique Cathedra would already be a schismatic and a sinner. Well then, on the one Cathedra, which is the first of the Endowments, Peter was the first to sit.
 
KjetilK said:
You don’t loose the sacrament of Matrimony just because you So what would make a Church objectively loose the seven (or any number of) sacraments?
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Well, since a church doesn’t anoint the sick, they can’t, er…have anointing of the sick.
If a church doesn’t confirm their members, they can’t…have confirmation.
If a church doesn’t ordain their ministers, they can’t…have the sacrament of holy orders.

Surely you see that, yes?
 
I don’t see the papacy as heavy handed at all…the pope represents all of us…and people complain alot about popes who are Catholic. He is either to liberal or too conservative, he doesn’t do this or he does that…

The pope can never go against canon law and teach against our faith found in the Catechsim.

The Catholicism is based on Scripture, Tradition, and Natural Law.
 
Reuben_J said:
That is what I heard. It is good then. Did they break from the Catholic Church or was they merely in schism? And if it was the former, were they still given faculty to function as priestly ministers?
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KjetilK, just a point of interest. What was the arrangement for those Catholic Bishops that you mentioned? I am unfamiliar with the church you mentioned but it is interesting to know they retained their apostolic succession.
 
PRmerger said:
Well, since a church doesn’t anoint the sick, they can’t, er…have anointing of the sick.
If a church doesn’t confirm their members, they can’t…have confirmation.
If a church doesn’t ordain their ministers, they can’t…have the sacrament of holy orders.

Surely you see that, yes?
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Yes, but we baptise, we confirm, we celebrate the Eucharist, we have confession, we (the bishops) ordain/consecrate, we marry, and we anoint the sick.
 
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