How do you feel about atheists?

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josie_L said:
I’ve already imparted the most important aspect of all, i.e., every credible historian I know of does not question the reality of Jesus’s existence, and that is because they base their findings on the writings of Josephus, the Bible, Pliny the Younger, Tacitus, Lucian . . .etc.

p.s. There is no ancient figure in the world that has as many references in such a short time span (in that sense, yes, these are contemporaries of Jesus relative to the times), i.e., the first biography of Alexander the Great was not written until 500 years after his death, but no historian worth his salt denies he exists.
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Sorry but everyone agrees does not cut it. Why do they agree??? “Everyone” used to agree the world was flat and the sun orbited the earth. I don’t care what people “agree”, I only care why they agree it.

the writings of Josephus, the Bible, Pliny the Younger, Tacitus, Lucian

None of which are contemporary.
 
josie_L said:
Of course, you cannot validate it because you weren’t there, which is why believing in Jesus and the Bible requires faith, and by faith I mean the grace of God which illuminates the mind, heart and soul to the truths transcribed in the Bible.
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I can validate the earth is 4.5 billions years old. I was not there for that.
 
Off to take the dog for a walk, thanks for the conversations I have really enjoyed them. I will no doubt be on later, peace to all. 🙂
 
MrEmpiricism said:
With the best will in the world I could not accept that as evidence as I cannot validate it. Would you not agree then in order to accept evidence as being valid one has to be able to verify it as credible?
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It is more credible to you that Jesus did not exist? What is your evidence? Who were the disciples of Jesus following?

I left my nihilism behind when I left atheism.
 
MrEmpiricism said:
Off to take the dog for a walk, thanks for the conversations I have really enjoyed them. I will no doubt be on later, peace to all. 🙂
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Oh doggies! What is the breed of your dog?

I am too am off, to forage with the DH.
 
Son_of_Niall said:
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I don’t even know where to begin with this…
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You could try the start??? :rotfl:

PS, josie L has a degree in history, I am in the final year of my PhD and am published in cognitive theory, so I know a wee bit about the brain, I look forward to reading what you come up with 😃
 
MrEmpiricism said:
Of course I do, you can measure it. It is the product of brain activity and chemicals.
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Prove it then. I guarantee you cannot validate it. Leaving love because you experience it , the same reason I have faith .
 
MrEmpiricism said:
I can validate the earth is 4.5 billions years old. I was not there for that.
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But the earth is still around for you to observe and test, I, on the other hand am referring to people long gone who wrote about a man who was a contemporary of theirs, and who proclaimed Himself to be the Son of God, i.e., this is not something you can validate scientifically, and you know it. It is why Jesus said to St. Thomas, “blessed are those who believe, yet have not seen”.

p.s. No one existing today cannot validate the accounts written about Jesus simply because we were not there to witness them, thus we must accept the testimony of those who were, yet such a feat can only be possible with faith, because how else can we come to accept that Jesus was the Son of God, who died and resurrected from the dead to give us new life?
 
MrEmpiricism said:
You could try the start??? :rotfl:

PS, josie L has a degree in history, I am in the final year of my PhD and am published in cognitive theory, so I know a wee bit about the brain, I look forward to reading what you come up with 😃
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You might want to try a crash course on English grammar and punctuation.
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JustaServant said:
You might want to try a crash course on English grammar and punctuation.
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Yeah you are right, because publishing scientific papers and posting on a forum are the same thing :clapping:. lol In fact I always talk in the same manner; presenting work to peers at an international conference or buying a bar of chocolate from the shop, same lingo every time!!! :rotfl:

Ps, just to let you know as far as I am aware, poor grammar is not a method of falsification. 😉
 
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24But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples were saying to him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”
 
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