How do you feel about atheists?

  • Thread starter Thread starter punisherthunder
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Faithdancer said:
Apparently I “ignored” you because I haven’t responded to every single one of your posts, JD. Sorry about that!:)🙂
Click to expand...
You were supposed to stop addressing my posts, instead you have done the opposite. I guess it’s possible to know what the opposite of you not posting is now since we can observe the evidence.
 
JD1789 said:
Yet we use infinity all the time in science, do we not? Can logical absolutes be empiracally verified? I’ve always been terrible with mathematical proofs, so this is a legitimate question. Haha
Click to expand...
The logical absolutes describe the essence of reality they are the building blocks for all critical thinking, so they pretty much trump everything…

1.The Law of Identity
2.The Law of Non-Contradiction
3.The Law of Excluded Middle

Yes we use infinity to create mathematical models, but it is not a thing it is a concept.
 
JD1789 said:
Of course you can’t. If you could, it wouldn’t be nothing. The property of nothing is completely reliant on the negation of something. This is a question of logic and philosophy. Surely you uphold that logic exists and that there are rules that cannot be broken. The scientific method that you believe in would be based on this, would it not?
Click to expand...
Ah, yes, well said and ultimately, how can we be certain of anything?
 
JD1789 said:
You were supposed to stop addressing my posts, instead you have done the opposite. I guess it’s possible to know what the opposite of you not posting is now since we can observe the evidence.
Click to expand...
:):):):extrahappy:
 
MrEmpiricism said:
The only people claiming something came from nothing are the religious. Abiogenesis is what you are referring to and it is supported by plenty of empirical evidence.
Click to expand...
You behave yet to explain how something coming from nothing. How Life came from nonlife. I think there’s plenty empirucal evidence to prove the existence of God but you set the rules _ you said we had to have solid provable evidence -not supposition . Basically you’re asking us to accept your views of the origin of life on nothing other than blind faith . As the man said “give me one miracle and we,ll explain the rest”
 
PRmerger said:
In order to understand what “nothing” is, one has to have the ability to think in the abstract.

I think this is a trenchant point. It is a remarkable position. It limns quite well the absurdity that must be swallowed in order to believe that a godless universe exists.

“It must be true that something can come from nothing!”
“It must be true that 2 parallel lines can intersect each other!”
“It must be true that a bachelor can be married!”
Click to expand...
Excuse me, where did I say something can come from nothing? Are you paying attention Faithdancer this is another example of a straw man in the making.
 
PRmerger said:
Well, yes and no.

We have established one very simple truth: we agree that it is ALWAYS wrong to torture children for fun.

There is nothing complicated about that, eh?

Some things, yes.
Some things, no.

That is, there is NO CASE, at all, where we would consider that it may be right to torture children for fun.

There may be a case when it is moral to lie or steal–and here you are correct. It may need to be taken on a “case by case basis.”

It sounds like you are embracing the Catholic position which is: we consider the act itself, the intention and the situation in evaluating the morality of a particular action.
Click to expand...
I see no issue with that way of thinking.
 
I have to go, to the gym and then to critique a screenplay. Hopefully it’s not too dark in tone. Behave, everyone, while I’m gone!🙂
 
Something that relates to this phase of the discussion, but also to the topic as a whole:

Is it possible for an atheist to state that he or she does not believe in God (the Christian version) or Christian Scripture without it being considered offensive by some Christians? In other words if we take the politest and most sincere atheist and have him or her state their disbelief, will there be some offended by that notion regardless of tone?
 
MrEmpiricism said:
Excuse me, where did I say something can come from nothing? Are you paying attention Faithdancer this is another example of a straw man in the making.
Click to expand...
How do you account for matter? Where did it come from? It appears you were moving into the spiritual along with the rest of us- only instead of believing that God hasv always existed you seem to believe that formless matter always existed and one day It just decided to explode and form a universe which just happened to allow life to spring from nonlife and just happened to have all the complex and intricate laws of nature that make our lives possible . You worship the God of chance.
 
MrEmpiricism said:
The logical absolutes describe the essence of reality they are the building blocks for all critical thinking, so they pretty much trump everything…

1.The Law of Identity
2.The Law of Non-Contradiction
3.The Law of Excluded Middle

Yes we use infinity to create mathematical models, but it is not a thing it is a concept.
Click to expand...
Can those be empirically verified through observed evidence?
 
**A word of warning.
This is a Catholic forum. This sub-forum is for non-Catholic discussion. I have allowed this thread to continue, but keep in mind I expect the discussion to be mature and respectful of the various religions and denominations represented.
If we are unable to do so, the hammer will be brought down.
I am trying to fair and diplomatic.
Do not try my patience. **
 
estesbob said:
How do you account for matter? Where did it come from? It appears you were moving into the spiritual along with the rest of us- only instead of believing that God hasv always existed you seem to believe that formless matter always existed and one day It just decided to explode and form a universe which just happened to allow life to spring from nonlife and just happened to have all the complex and intricate laws of nature that make our lives possible . You worship the God of chance.
Click to expand...
Actually when it comes to the origin of the universe I am simply happy with… I do not know.

The complexity/fine-tuning argument is not very convincing. The laws for the reasons I explained to faithdancer and we have a great understanding of the incremental steps with lead to complexity, but as far as I am aware it is a banned topic so I will say no more than that.
 
JD1789 said:
But how can you know this is true?
Click to expand...
Because I would not be able to know without the logical absolutes. They are at the very essence of what reality is everything is subject to them, including even God if one exists.
 
I at this point, I need to get back to studying. Ultimately I can’t get past this.
  1. There is at least some evidence that God can exist.
  2. I want God to exist.
  3. If God doesn’t exist then I then do not have a soul nor do I have free-will but rather everything is determined by physics including my desires.
  4. If God does exist, my free-will choice to believe in Him and follow him to the best of my abilities matches my desire for His existence.
  5. So the way I see it, either I randomly desire God’s existence and believe in Him by the same material mechanism that causes me to desire him or he is real and I have chosen to believe in him after seeing the high probability that he exists.
 
MrEmpiricism said:
Because I would not be able to know without the logical absolutes. They are at the very essence of what reality is everything is subject to them, including even God if one exists.
Click to expand...
I see we have finally agreed on at least something related to the nature of God. One of the ways I believe we are created in His image.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top